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What is something about the NFL most people believe to be true that you don’t think is true? (1 Viewer)
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dkp993
Footballguy
Yeah recency bias is certainly working in my favor here. But it is something I’ve always thought. Never understood teams (especially good ones likely picking at the bottom of the round) being unwilling to trade a couple firsts for a difference maker. Ramsey is a perfect example. We got the best (or at least top 3) for multiple years for a few firsts. All day and twice on Sunday please.
rockaction
Footballguy
As bostonfred just pointed out in another thread, it's all about paying the guys and the cap. Most of these difference makers are only available at the end of their contracts, so the impetus is on the team trading for them to sign them and make them happy. Rookie contracts are slotted, and pay way less than you pay for talent on second or third contracts. That's part of what the Rams were successful at. I have no idea how they keep finding room to sign all these guys. They must have a stellar capologist or will be in cap hell in a year or two.
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dkp993
Footballguy
Sure. It’s not as “easy” as draft and cross our fingers but the proven commodity vs the unknown is massive for me. You also have to be prepared to play more star and scrubs ball. Depth is sacrificed for sure. But money can almost always be moved around via restructuring. It’s risk reward for sure but playing it safe rarely wins at that level imo.
Yes I’m a stars and scrubs fantasy guy too for the record.
FairWarning
Footballguy
It works if you can draft great in the lower rounds., the cheaper talent has to come from somewhere. The Rams win doing this, the Bears suck at it.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
There are coaches all over the landscape -- college and pro -- that clearly don't know how to manage a clock effectively. Not to say they can't win still, in spite of it.
But it's math. And you can tell when it's not a strong point.
I'm interested in knowing how someone from the UK or overseas in general becomes a fan of a specific team.
Here in the US, I would assume the vast majority of people became fans because of hometown proximity or because a family member was/is a fan.
Obviously proximity wouldn't be a big thing overseas and family influence would be less since NFL has not been an established product overseas for a long period of time.
Is it players? Team that is currently winning? Selected based on picking one of the first teams you saw play?
titusbramble
Footballguy
In my case it was because ten year old me thought the Raiders looked cool on the Saturday morning highlights show we had
joey
Footballguy
10 year old me agrees with this as a new Raider fan in the heart of NYC. Cool unis plus just beating the Vikings in the Super Bowl = life long abusive relationship (but at least I got 2 Super Bowls as a child fan in 81 and 84. It’s this adult fan that lives with the next 40 years of pain).
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I know a guy in Miami who started watching football when he arrived as a kid from Cuba. He saw the Bills had red, white and blue uniforms, ie the colors of his new country, so they became his favorite team
Things that most people believe to be true that I don't think are true about The NFL......
The league treats all franchises the same............NO...big TV market franchises get favorable treatment
The NFL is proactive on issues......NO...it takes bad pub to kick the league into any kind of reaction( Concussions,abuse,drug use, and heaven forbid...kneeling)
Roger Goodell works to uphold the integrity of the league....NO...Roger works for the good of the owners
Betting and fantasy have driven the league to new heights and made it America's Pastime..........well this one is true
The league treats all franchises the same............NO...big TV market franchises get favorable treatment
The NFL is proactive on issues......NO...it takes bad pub to kick the league into any kind of reaction( Concussions,abuse,drug use, and heaven forbid...kneeling)
Roger Goodell works to uphold the integrity of the league....NO...Roger works for the good of the owners
Betting and fantasy have driven the league to new heights and made it America's Pastime..........well this one is true
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That “parity” is still a thing, and means every team is equally capable of winning.
As a concept, sure, maybe. But there will always be good orgs and bad. Competent GMs and incompetent GMs; quality coaches and bad coaches. And good owners & bad, while we’re at it.
yes, it’s true that in the salary cap era, it creates a more level playing field - but as we’ve seen with the Rams, Bucs and several other teams, a skilled NFL front office can manipulate the cap to bring in whoever they want by restructuring contracts, front-loading or back-loading, converting salary to bonuses, etc.
But the league isn’t balanced, and right now seems like one of the worst periods of disparity in recent history. Sure, some teams are seemingly on the rise like the Jets, Jags, 49ers, & maybe the Dolphins - (TBD for all, but seemingly headed in the right direction) and a couple others, but there are some absolute train wrecks out there. And even for the perceived improving teams, would anyone be shocked by a 49ers 6-win season? I wouldn’t and I’m a Niners fan.
And while the Panthers & Falcons have been good in the past, neither seemed particularly well-prepared for their futures. Same could be said for the Seahawks post Russ…& the Giants post-Eli are still kind of a train wreck. Honestly not sure where to put the post-Brees/Payton Saints& post-Ben Steelers just yet.
Bottom line is that like in any business, (with a few exceptions where teams get very lucky), the results are only going to be as good as the process. And some teams are way, way better at the process than others. They have better owners, hire better people, and have better players because they’re better at scouting them.
Parity is largely a myth. It might be easier to recover/rebuild a franchise now than it was in the pre-cap era with narrower chasms to bridge, but there really are good organizations and bad, and it’s not that hard to tell who is which
”any given Sunday” may not be as applicable these days. Hard to imagine the Panthers or Seahawks winning many games against the elite this year, for example.
As a concept, sure, maybe. But there will always be good orgs and bad. Competent GMs and incompetent GMs; quality coaches and bad coaches. And good owners & bad, while we’re at it.
yes, it’s true that in the salary cap era, it creates a more level playing field - but as we’ve seen with the Rams, Bucs and several other teams, a skilled NFL front office can manipulate the cap to bring in whoever they want by restructuring contracts, front-loading or back-loading, converting salary to bonuses, etc.
But the league isn’t balanced, and right now seems like one of the worst periods of disparity in recent history. Sure, some teams are seemingly on the rise like the Jets, Jags, 49ers, & maybe the Dolphins - (TBD for all, but seemingly headed in the right direction) and a couple others, but there are some absolute train wrecks out there. And even for the perceived improving teams, would anyone be shocked by a 49ers 6-win season? I wouldn’t and I’m a Niners fan.
And while the Panthers & Falcons have been good in the past, neither seemed particularly well-prepared for their futures. Same could be said for the Seahawks post Russ…& the Giants post-Eli are still kind of a train wreck. Honestly not sure where to put the post-Brees/Payton Saints& post-Ben Steelers just yet.
Bottom line is that like in any business, (with a few exceptions where teams get very lucky), the results are only going to be as good as the process. And some teams are way, way better at the process than others. They have better owners, hire better people, and have better players because they’re better at scouting them.
Parity is largely a myth. It might be easier to recover/rebuild a franchise now than it was in the pre-cap era with narrower chasms to bridge, but there really are good organizations and bad, and it’s not that hard to tell who is which
”any given Sunday” may not be as applicable these days. Hard to imagine the Panthers or Seahawks winning many games against the elite this year, for example.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So many times I wish it did, too.Deamon said:
joey
Footballguy
Silly side note but I’m sure everyone on this board watches the USFL
and they have a pretty cool wrinkle when they’re under 2 minutes in that the clock pauses on a 1st down until they spot the ball. I kinda like it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Funny you mention that - I caught a game & noticed that. Thought it was a fantastic rule.Silly side note but I’m sure everyone on this board watches the USFL
This I don't like. This is the rule in college. Makes clock management almost obsolete. Lot less need for timeouts and a lot less affect of having a QB that makes on field clock management an art form.Silly side note but I’m sure everyone on this board watches the USFL
joey
Footballguy
I don’t know. They still seem to run out of time and time outs in the few close games I’ve seen.
Admittedly I haven't seen it in action by the USFL. Just not a fan of the college rule being used in the NFL.
joey
Footballguy
Admittedly I don’t watch college football so I didn’t realize this was a college rule already
Gold Fox
Footballguy
…A lot of people think that the option for *teams* to challenge plays makes the games better, but I think that challenges should come from the “eye in the sky” refs booth. Let the coaches coach the players and take away “coaches challenge”. The game will flow more smoothly and get back to traditional coaching, which eventually leads to a better product on the field.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I agree with the rats ### statement.refacer said:
What is the "right number" of black head coaches? About 12% of Americans are black...so 3 or 4 black coaches?
About 70% of football players are black, so about 25 black coaches?
What if I said the NFL won't be considered non-racist until there are 25 black owners?
And if NFL owners are just a proxy for wealthy people, what if I said that the NFL won't be considered racist until about 70% of rich people are black?
I don't claim to know what the right answers are here....but I'm not sure that X% of head coaches being black solves anything about racism...or is even something that a black professional football player...or an average citizen....needs to be concerned with.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I despise after they arrested and prosecuted Michael Vick for dog fighting, the NFL needed to come out with a strong move to capture the female fan base they were on the cusp of losing as the curtain was being pulled back on many players as we learned many were not choir boys in their off time.
The NFL response was "Pink-Breast cancer" which really doesn't have much to do with the NFL but they were happy to put pink everything on their players and try to act like they gave a rat's ### about any of the terrible news stories coming out as social media was making it harder and harder for Goodell and the NFL to hide in their offices.
The NFL response was "Pink-Breast cancer" which really doesn't have much to do with the NFL but they were happy to put pink everything on their players and try to act like they gave a rat's ### about any of the terrible news stories coming out as social media was making it harder and harder for Goodell and the NFL to hide in their offices.
FairWarning
Footballguy
One thing that holds true is college head coaches that make the switch to an NFL head coach are destined to fail. If they had previous NFL head coaching experience, their chance at success increases a lot.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Are there composite stats that bear this out? I know the really bad ones stand out in our minds (Urban, Chip Kelly, Spurrier) and we forget some of the better ones (Jimmy Johnson, Jim Harbaugh). I wonder what the overall numbers show.
