Westvleteren Abt 12 vs St. Bernardus Abt 12
I'll focus most all of the review on the Westy. You all know the Bernardus so I won't go into tasting notes.
Appearance: Here we go. Head died quickly. Slight remnant holding on around edge of glass. Lots of sediment..HEAVY with sediment. Toffee colored, raw sienna.
Smell: Aroma slightly sour like apple juice. Candi sugar, raisins. Caramel apple.
Taste: Oh my god, where to begin. There are far too many flavors happening to even try to isolate one. Bit overwhelming in the best way possible.
Maple sweetness hits the tip of the tongue immediately before the caramel apple flavors wash over the palate. Lots of toffee and dried fruits. A slight malty roastedness lingers after the swallow...coffee undertones towards the back of the tongue with a minute sourness in the middle of the tongue. Holy crap.
Mouthfeel: Thick texture. Its almost like they brewed the beer then removed actual "liquid" out to condense flavor and mouth feel.
Drinkability: It was everything I thought it would be. If the head retention was better we'd be looking at a 5.0. Instead I give this bottle a 4.8
Tasting the Bernardus next to the Westy was a mistake. All it did was show the limitations and weaknesses of the Bernardus, which I didn't know it had. But when I put them side by side, it was clear as day. Not even close, not even in the same ball park. These aren't anywhere on the same level. But the Bernardus is a great beer, is the Westy really that good?
YES.
Stop at nothing to get this beer.
Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
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Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
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####!I was wondering what the hell happened. Dammit.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
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Guy looks like Hurley but a couple hundy lbs lighter.
Welcome to the world of good beer. Chimay is high quality stuff.Chimay Ale - Peres Trappistes
Picked it up at Belducci's because it has 8% volume![]()
I've had this beer on tap before and I thought it was really good. The style obviously limits the hops, but I found the smell and taste to be very good for a Pale Ale.The New River Pale was good. Better than good, but not very good. Nice amber color. Citrusy smell. Not overly hoppy. Easy drinking.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. I was trying to find the right word. Better than good. Really good is about right. I read that it's even better on tap, especially cask. I guess that's often the case.Sad story about New River Dream gig for the brewmaster. Got a deal to have it contract brewed at Old Dominion. Died from a heart attack. Mom and former business partner picked it back up.I've had this beer on tap before and I thought it was really good. The style obviously limits the hops, but I foung the smell and taste to be very good for a Pale Ale.The New River Pale was good. Better than good, but not very good. Nice amber color. Citrusy smell. Not overly hoppy. Easy drinking.
When I get back from Michigan next month Ill have some stuff to trade...I can always throw in a Oak Aged Yeti.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
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I never did get to try an Oak Aged Yeti
Yeah, I've talked to the business partner before at the local brew festival. A very sad story indeed.Sad story about New River Dream gig for the brewmaster. Got a deal to have it contract brewed at Old Dominion. Died from a heart attack. Mom and former business partner picked it back up.
When I get back from Michigan next month Ill have some stuff to trade...I can always throw in a Oak Aged Yeti.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
:happydance:![]()
I never did get to try an Oak Aged Yeti
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Anytime you can score a few bottles of beer from someones cellar, your day cant be all badWhen I get back from Michigan next month Ill have some stuff to trade...I can always throw in a Oak Aged Yeti.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
:happydance:![]()
I never did get to try an Oak Aged Yeti
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You are a good man. You know I'm always up for a trade. You done well on the one I received today.
So far I'm not really impressed by this beer. I was expecting bold, distinct flavors out of the juggernaut of a brewery. The flavors are fairly common with a touch of peet towards the end, but very minor.I'm going to try my second Three Floyds that I've ever tasted
Robert the Bruce Scottish ale is on deck. Looking forward to this. Lets hope its nice and smokey.![]()
No, not at allAnytime you can score a few bottles of beer from someones cellar, your day cant be all badWhen I get back from Michigan next month Ill have some stuff to trade...I can always throw in a Oak Aged Yeti.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
:happydance:![]()
I never did get to try an Oak Aged Yeti
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You are a good man. You know I'm always up for a trade. You done well on the one I received today.
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Sweeeeet.No, not at allAnytime you can score a few bottles of beer from someones cellar, your day cant be all badWhen I get back from Michigan next month Ill have some stuff to trade...I can always throw in a Oak Aged Yeti.Max - Great Divide broke off with the CA distributor that supplied bevmo. They will no longer carry GD beers after those run out. I contacted the brewery last month to find out the scoop. We will be without shortly.I love me a dark IPA. Nice roasted profile to go along with a hoppiness that can knock your teeth out.Today I found Moylander's DIPA
ON TAP IN BIG SUR!!!!!!
:happydance:![]()
I never did get to try an Oak Aged Yeti
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You are a good man. You know I'm always up for a trade. You done well on the one I received today.
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And with Furley carpet bombing me with various New Glarus and a couple other surprises, it was a GREAT day for beer trading.
Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.
I couldn't agree more. Although Northern California still has it beat, for bottled beer it does beat Southern California.We have Stone, we have Alesmith, we have...some Pizza Port when its available. Got some Ballast Point...but thats really about it.Everybody talks about NorCal being the Mecca of beer, but the Midwest is pretty damn good too. Thinking about the beers and breweries that I received from Tip Top, that is some serious comp.
Max Out.
* yes I realize this has nothing to do with any present conversation.
Ive recently realized that the guys in the Great Lakes area are in one of the BEST areas for craft beer, without a doubt.I think Cali edges them out, just because of the sheer number of great breweries, but the Midwest definately holds its own as a place with alot of awesome beers that have limited availability.Everybody talks about NorCal being the Mecca of beer, but the Midwest is pretty damn good too. Thinking about the beers and breweries that I received from Tip Top, that is some serious comp.
No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.
I like the Expedition, but not as much as you guys. When I say not as much, I mean I'd put it at 2 or 3 instead of 1No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.
Well I cant say I put it at #1 just yet....I still have to try the Stone RIS, the Speedway, and the Victory Storm King.Im not even sure if I know the difference between an RIS and an American Double Stout. I never even noticed that the SPeedway isnt listed in the top 10 RIS's on BA until you mentioned it. Is there really a difference??? Seems that the American DOuble STout is alot like the RIS's.I like the Expedition, but not as much as you guys. When I say not as much, I mean I'd put it at 2 or 3 instead of 1No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.. I'd like to go on the record saying I don't like that BA lumps Speedway into "double" instead of "imperial". Its 12% alcohol...what sort of double is that?I've only got one bottle left of the Expedition that I'll probably hold onto towards the end of the year as well.
Here's their reasonAmerican Double StoutWell I cant say I put it at #1 just yet....I still have to try the Stone RIS, the Speedway, and the Victory Storm King.Im not even sure if I know the difference between an RIS and an American Double Stout. I never even noticed that the SPeedway isnt listed in the top 10 RIS's on BA until you mentioned it. Is there really a difference??? Seems that the American DOuble STout is alot like the RIS's.I like the Expedition, but not as much as you guys. When I say not as much, I mean I'd put it at 2 or 3 instead of 1No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.. I'd like to go on the record saying I don't like that BA lumps Speedway into "double" instead of "imperial". Its 12% alcohol...what sort of double is that?I've only got one bottle left of the Expedition that I'll probably hold onto towards the end of the year as well.
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Yeah Ive read that before but the styles still seem pretty similar, at least in text. Im gonna try to get some good stouts while Im up there....Great Lakes Blackout Stout is high on my listHere's their reasonAmerican Double StoutWell I cant say I put it at #1 just yet....I still have to try the Stone RIS, the Speedway, and the Victory Storm King.Im not even sure if I know the difference between an RIS and an American Double Stout. I never even noticed that the SPeedway isnt listed in the top 10 RIS's on BA until you mentioned it. Is there really a difference??? Seems that the American DOuble STout is alot like the RIS's.I like the Expedition, but not as much as you guys. When I say not as much, I mean I'd put it at 2 or 3 instead of 1No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.. I'd like to go on the record saying I don't like that BA lumps Speedway into "double" instead of "imperial". Its 12% alcohol...what sort of double is that?I've only got one bottle left of the Expedition that I'll probably hold onto towards the end of the year as well.
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Description:
The American Double Stout gets some of it inspiration from the Russian Imperial Stout. Many of these are barrel aged, mostly in bourbon / whiskey barrels, while some are infused with coffee or chocolate. Alcohol ranges vary, but tend to be quite big, and bigger than traditional Russian Imperial Stouts. Most tend to have cleaner alcohol flavors, higher hop levels, and more residual sweetness. Very full-bodied with rich roasted flavors far surpassing normal stouts.
I've got one of those in my fridge. Ordered it from Archers a while back. Next up for me is the New Glarus Fat Squirrel courtesy of Tip TopYeah Ive read that before but the styles still seem pretty similar, at least in text. Im gonna try to get some good stouts while Im up there....Great Lakes Blackout Stout is high on my listHere's their reasonAmerican Double StoutWell I cant say I put it at #1 just yet....I still have to try the Stone RIS, the Speedway, and the Victory Storm King.Im not even sure if I know the difference between an RIS and an American Double Stout. I never even noticed that the SPeedway isnt listed in the top 10 RIS's on BA until you mentioned it. Is there really a difference??? Seems that the American DOuble STout is alot like the RIS's.I like the Expedition, but not as much as you guys. When I say not as much, I mean I'd put it at 2 or 3 instead of 1No argument there. I still have 4 Expeditions left. 3 are gonna be cellared until next winter...the other one is in my fridge for consumption some time this week.Expedition is the shizzy, however.Bell's Kalamazoo Stout.
Thumbs up so fah.. I'd like to go on the record saying I don't like that BA lumps Speedway into "double" instead of "imperial". Its 12% alcohol...what sort of double is that?I've only got one bottle left of the Expedition that I'll probably hold onto towards the end of the year as well.
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Description:
The American Double Stout gets some of it inspiration from the Russian Imperial Stout. Many of these are barrel aged, mostly in bourbon / whiskey barrels, while some are infused with coffee or chocolate. Alcohol ranges vary, but tend to be quite big, and bigger than traditional Russian Imperial Stouts. Most tend to have cleaner alcohol flavors, higher hop levels, and more residual sweetness. Very full-bodied with rich roasted flavors far surpassing normal stouts.![]()
Never heard of it. Any good?Victory Ten Years Alt