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What type of FF owner are you? (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Quality over quantity maybe. People I respect are into the format.
Probably still a niche, like IDP.
And really, younger players are probably focusing on DSF, so I don't know if it'll ever get a ton of coverage.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree with that fantasy doesn't need to mimic the NFL but I also think that is the reason many people cling to 1 QB leagues. It just seems not right to me that some of the most famous, highly paid players are back-ups or sometimes waiver wire guys in fantasy leagues.
rockaction
Footballguy
You seem to be correct to me, anyway. Huh. But I'm not sure why the misuse of the term matters -- it's the concept, right? Then again, maybe not. Calling things what they are and getting terminology correct is important for clarity.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
1qb leagues need to do a better job making QBs more valuable. Something we're doing in my leagues starting 2022, is give QBs 6 pts for a TD instead of 4. Other things could be done as well. However, I'm still against SF because it puts too much importance on the QB position. When the likes of Mac Jones or worse are taken over stud RBs or WRs, it gives me pause. Also, forget about trading for a stud young QB in SF, because even your beautiful wife, or first born, would have to be throw-ins in a trade and still not likely get a deal done.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I like SF but what you are saying has some truth to it.
If the intent is to have players of all positions be somewhat similar value then I think scoring for QB should be reduced somewhat in SF. Perhaps 3 points for TD passes for example to bring them down closer to total points of the top RB and WR. Maybe passing yardage points need be tweaked a bit as well to accomplish that.
The scarcity will still be the same. Only 32 NFL teams and 24 starters each week in SF and the QB will still be very valuable but not to the extreme we have right now.
I do think SF is the way forward, but it has some issues as you say.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
I am the kind of owner that would like people removed from dynasty leagues who don’t show up for 75 days and ignore trade offers. I get that there’s different levels of interest and priority, but I can’t stand playing in leagues with guys like that.
As for analysis of players, I think @massraidercovered many of my thoughts pretty well.
As for analysis of players, I think @massraidercovered many of my thoughts pretty well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
We have strict rules in my leagues that prevent that - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udMLOGZf5d4&ab_channel=rahulshome
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It gives me another stud RB or WR. I see it as an opportunity to gain an edge. And then I have some really good ammo to buy those young stud QBs later.
It is a different system than 1QB for sure. And I agree you may want to bump TDs to 6 points. That is my favorite single QB scoring. It makes them much more valuable and on par with the other positions.
*Lots* of people are playing SF. There is a market for quality coverage. I agree about DSF though.
matuski
Footballguy
I now play just for the sake of keeping the 27 year streak with my brother alive.
Gone are the days of out working or uncovering something unique to use to your advantage. There is no information you can obtain these days that everyone else doesn't have. You can be the laziest player ever, have twitter alerts turned on, and be 99% of superanalytics guy.
Much much much more about luck these days.
Gone are the days of out working or uncovering something unique to use to your advantage. There is no information you can obtain these days that everyone else doesn't have. You can be the laziest player ever, have twitter alerts turned on, and be 99% of superanalytics guy.
Much much much more about luck these days.
Pretty much my thoughts. A middle ground would be great were in one start QB leagues they had more value but the value in two start QB leagues is just to high.
The 6 points for passing TD's is not something I'm overly excited about however. It still does not solve the issue of more quality starting options then available starting spots while also negatively impacting the running QB a little.
I don't play SF and what I would suggest I believe the reply would be either that it's to complicated or the site can't do it and that would be the flex QB you start has reduced scoring, something that would trim 20-25% from QB points on the average.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with this for winning a title, but disagree with making the playoffs. Owners who work harder at the craft are generally more successful in making the playoffs than those who don't.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not true. I see it all the time in my leagues. You have owners who do nothing in the off-season, or in-season, and those that work the waiver wire. You have owners that never trade and those that actually try to improve their team (not to compare against trading addicts, who trade their team into the ground), So, yes, I see it all the time where hard working owners increase their chances at making the playoffs over absent owners who only show up for the draft, set their lineups weekly, and never bother improving their team via the waiver wire and / or trades. They can have twitter feeds all they want, but unless they are active, they are going to miss out most of the time.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It's a hobby I enjoy. It ebbs and flows. Some years I'm super involved and spend a ridiculous amount of time doing research and watching Game Pass, way more than a single league redraft manager should be able to justify. Other years I'm more involved with church, family, volunteering. On a relative basis I'm getting more balanced but I put the hours in because the process brings me a lot of pleasure. The results are often times disappointing (last title was 2015) but as a Commish I also invest time in making the league fun, keeping guys active on our discussion board, doing write ups when something extraordinary happens (new league record or something.) Every year I do a newsletter style post that recaps the entire history of the league, the low turnover, recognize the founders and long term members, et al.
Anyway, just a fun hobby. I don't let it affect my weekend moods. Sometimes I'm so busy I don't even know how I'm doing until Sunday night, rarely watch games except Game Pass condensed during the week. Still love the league and stay on top of it but it's not an obsession. OK, relative to some of you guys lol.
Anyway, just a fun hobby. I don't let it affect my weekend moods. Sometimes I'm so busy I don't even know how I'm doing until Sunday night, rarely watch games except Game Pass condensed during the week. Still love the league and stay on top of it but it's not an obsession. OK, relative to some of you guys lol.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
As far as the OP question I definitely started out as more on the analytic side of things than I am now. I used to have someone like Mac32 telling me to watch the players more because I was missing the boat and there were times that was very true.
In 2014 with you tube I started to have access to actual games and cut ups of players I could watch. I started learning about football more and even charted some players from watching their plays. I have tried to work on what I think may still be one of my weaknesses, which is the subjective analysis that comes from watching the players. I wasnt entirely happy with my charting process, which was an attempt to marry the 2 points of view. I did learn from it and I think if I started charting players again, I would do a better job at that.
In the end FF is a game about numbers though and that will always be my foundation for playing this game.
In 2014 with you tube I started to have access to actual games and cut ups of players I could watch. I started learning about football more and even charted some players from watching their plays. I have tried to work on what I think may still be one of my weaknesses, which is the subjective analysis that comes from watching the players. I wasnt entirely happy with my charting process, which was an attempt to marry the 2 points of view. I did learn from it and I think if I started charting players again, I would do a better job at that.
In the end FF is a game about numbers though and that will always be my foundation for playing this game.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
That’s not data, but I’m not going to change your mind.
I’ve seen plenty of guys roll up with their “expert consensus rankings”, draft accordingly and have no problem rolling into the playoffs. They were successful simply by drafting the players rated highest and not running into injuries.
No matter what you or I think, @matuskiis correct. For the most part, everyone has the same information which was not true 15-20 years ago. It’s much easier today for someone with zero knowledge to draft a winning team.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tell that to the FF players who picked up James Robinson and rode him to the playoffs. Absent owners, even those who have their alerts on, probably didn't bother picking him up.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If someone had James Robsinson doing what he did before the 2020 season they knew a lot more than most of us did.
He went undrafted in many many leagues while people were picking up the other Jaguars RBs.
Go in the James Robinson thread and you will hear much the same. He was a pleasant surprise. He was not being touted by anyone that I am aware of prior to him breaking out. Most people got him off waivers.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
Well, only one team per league can pick up the player you cherry picked. Looking at actual data, 80% of teams that simply drafted Dalvin Cook made the playoffs.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's the point of my post. The subject was absent owners being able to make the playoffs just as easy as active owners because of all the alerts and internet information they can get. My point was that these types of owners probably didn't bother picking up someone like Robinson and those that did probably helped themselves to make the playoffs.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I used to do a weekly write up about the past weeks games and who the team plays next, implications for playoffs as the season goes on, with some light smack talk or praise mixed in. Congratulate the guy who made a season changing ww pickup, chastise the guy who played a guy on bye week. Encourage lame ducks to play spoiler.
rockaction
Footballguy
I had James Robinson in my dyansty league before Fournette got cut. I'd say that's about as prescient as you were going to get with him. I thought his highlights were pretty okay and I had room on my bench for a few fliers. He was the best of any I saw. But I know nobody else in my league watched his highlights ten times before they bid on him like I did. I got him for the minimum in a 48 hour auction format. So JohnnyU's point about putting in the work rings true here, at least in this case.
I'm going to pat myself on the back for that.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes good job with that. I draft with some pretty strong owners and most of us were not aware of him at all. I admit the Jaguars are a team I do not read about regularly and my knowledge of their team is a lot less than most other teams.
Johnny U point is a fair one in regards to owners being inactive, but I am talking about a lot of people who live sleep breathe this stuff on a daily basis including myself had no clue about Robinson. They were drafting Chris Thomas and the other guy whos name I forget at the moment, Armstead? Anyhow you done good to find him as some folks I have respect for from experience didnt know about him.
So from that perspective I am not seeing the diligence and study paying off. More a matter of who is quickest to the wire or who has the most free agent capital to spend on players.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, there was a lot of luck involved, too, and I play in a league with good owners who missed also. But I had to have gone thirty-five guys deep in highlights last year at RB alone, so it was outworking people to a degree. I mean, I can't take full credit for a weird situation like that. It just shook out perfectly. It'll never happen to me again. And I've divested from Robinson because I think Jax has something in store at RB in at least 2022, so we'll see if that negates having had him in the first place.
But to your point: I was criminally low on dollars to bid with last year. A lot of my last year was spent wishing at the players because I took an orphan and blew my money on RFAs instead of saving for the year. So I can relate to that. It's either a race to the wire or having the dollars to spend. That's part of strategy, though, and one should account for that for the most part.
I still think it's twain the two of perfect information about players because of the glut of fantasy sites, Twitter feeds, etc., and just plain old understanding the game and work. I don't think the hardest worker or best evaluator will win, and indeed, they likely won't, but that doesn't mean you can't put yourself in position to win once you have the requisite bit of luck.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Oh yeah we have some ability to put ourselves in position for luck to happen. If you keep playing I bet you find another James Robinson at some point down the road. You might pick a few guys who are fools gold in the meantime.
The amount of information available to FF players has gotten to a point that under the radar guys like James Robsinson do not happen as often as a decade or so ago. I dont use twitter at all but thats a whole other vehicle to get information out there that didnt exist before.
Who is the James Robsinson of 2021 though? Thats what we want to know.
I have heard talk of the Jaguars possibly drafting a RB which seems unnecessary to me but stranger things have happened.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Wouldn't that be amusement to owners of neither Robinson or ETN for fantasy purposes?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah it would be bad for both of them I think.
Doesnt really make sense to me that they would do that just passing along what I heard. I think it was on sports center or something though. Not a good information source.
rockaction
Footballguy
I drafted Henry Ruggs in the first round last year. I've already had my fool's gold. No need for any more of that, thanks.
Who is the James Robinson of 2021? That's the rub, isn't it? Get one and be right every year and you'll win, but chances are you won't ever again. And there isn't a guy like that every year. They call Kyle Pitts the unicorn? Robinson was the unicorn in terms of draft capital, volume received, and thus, points scored. Nothing like that has ever happened (he broke records for UDFA rookie yardage) and likely won't happen again.
A better question might be who are the sleepers that could potentially get some run this year. For now, I'm still looking.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't watch ESPN any longer, for any reason. This coming from a guy who watched the very first airing of ESPN in 1979.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah my cousin was watching it so I did too. Nothings changed they talk about Tom Brady and not much else.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree but I play in 6 pt per passing TD leagues and it really doesn't offset much. Even the bad QBs get the extra points so it still makes streaming QBs and late round QBs a viable strategy. I almost thing something like interceptions need to be weighted more heavily in the negative or passer rating being part of the scoring to really differentiate the QB position enough to make a real impact.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I was wrong. I'll watch the Colts on ESPN if they are not on NFL Sunday Ticket and some college games but I don't watch anything else on ESPN. I can't stand their narrative.
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I can't say I'm buying it, they have some good NFL games other then Colts and I think they have to many good college games you don't want to miss.
I think you just mean you don't ever watch Sportscenter or any of their talking head shows any longer. That's were I've been for the last 15 years or so. I can recall when SportsCenter was appointment TV but I've not seen a single one in over 10 years. I know some find their opinions to be overly liberal and maybe that's you might but that has nothing to do with it for me. Just to much beating you over the head with same stories and trying to push their agenda with respect to what they own TV rights to air. Also as the years have gone by I find myself becoming less and less of an all around sports fan and more and more of just a football fan and it's just to easy to get the news where I want when I want to sit through all the stuff I don't have an interest.
Sorry for threat interruption but I think already got sidetracked from OP's original questions to WTH.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, you're right. I watch some games on ESPN, but nothing else, for the very reasons you mentioned. At least in games you're not inundated with the opinions. Well, not as much. Still some of that with their announcers.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Pretty sure I talked about this with someone in one of those sorta threads late spring last year. He had the best combo of situation, athletic testing, and lack of widely discussed tape. Didn't act on it fast enough in every league though.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
How do you "work harder"?
You have all the information about anything and everything fed to you 24/7 now..... do you find a 25th hour each day or something?
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
You know what I mean, don't go there. It's a fact that some FF players work at it harder than some others, whether they have equal content available to them or not.
MAC_32
Footballguy
That wasn't the intent of my message. The intent was to encourage keeping an open mind when digging. Cause I get A LOT wrong and a lot of 'my" good ideas are due to extracting information from elsewhere.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Whatever type you are, just don't be the type that doesn't pay up on time. Nobody likes that type.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think I mainly missed it because it was outside the purview of my interest. Last year was weird. I am normally hunting for guys like Robison with a fine tooth comb.
I do respect your opinion was the main point I was trying to make. If I had read you talking about him I would have looked in to further. I dont read every thread here. Some times its only a topic or two that I am engaging with at a time.
