What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

 

[Balance]

If any of you guys live in Oakland or the Bay Area, I'll take you to my kickboxing gym to meet Coke, a 5'7", 135 lbs. fighter. There's probably some other guys that are about the same size in this gym, although they're not pros like Coke.The dude is insanely fast and I've seen him spar and fight enough to tell you that he could probably drop a 6'2" 200 lbs man with 1 punch, 1 kick, 1 knee, or 1 elbow. He's no Pacquiao though, as Pac's power is much higher than Coke's. Pacquiao throws some heavy heavy hands for a guy that small. Heaviest I've ever seen in the weight range.

I think the OP makes a good point in his recent posts, in that while Coke here is by no means a giant, he's more than trivially larger than the kind of guy we were talking about at first.

exactly.So is the Pacquiao lastnight.

 

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

Also, any chance we could get a picture of your physique? No n00d necessary, but maybe something so we can judge accurately how long this would take?

2007 when this thread started - shape of my life, low body fat (no idea %), dunking on people in bball games, lifting more than ever, could run bball for 4 hours straight, etc. I have some training in aikido, dad was a boxer/martial artist + military/law enforcement self defense and submission. If i get a hold of a dude's arm or wrist or hand at this size... done.Today, 2 years later - I actually weigh a couple pounds less, but nowhere near the level of cardio/aerobic fitness, not quite as strong. 2 kids will do this...

Not enough difference to change the fact that I would be comfortable with anybody nearly a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

 

[Balance]

Our latest argument went like this - Anderson Silva completely blindfolded in an MMA ring against my buddy (5'8", 190) with a pair of nunchucks. Remember, my buddy has NO martial arts training whatsoever and doesn't know how to use a pair of nunchucks. My position was my buddy last less than 90 seconds; he's actually delusional enough to think he wins. What says the FFA brain trust? Does your opinion change if my buddy gets 6 weeks of intensive training on the proper use of nunchucks?

I wouldn't get in the octagon with Anderson Silva if I had a shotgun and he was blindfolded. Your buddy is insane. He'd have to KO Silva with one shot, and Silva would likely hear him coming. #### that.

Middleweight, 175-185lbs. HUGE diffference, and I would not take this bet.

 

[Balance]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

 

[Balance]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

I doubt punches thrown a foot above his head would have the snap they otherwise have, and I would have no intention of standing there for him to hit me, so both.I assume we are talking about Pacquiao... not the original claims in the thread. Average guy this size? I may stand there and dare him to hit me.

 

[the moops]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

I doubt punches thrown a foot above his head would have the snap they otherwise have, and I would have no intention of standing there for him to hit me, so both.I assume we are talking about Pacquiao... not the original claims in the thread. Average guy this size? I may stand there and dare him to hit me.

Why would he have to throw punches a foot above his head? He would wail on your midsection relentlessly. You would be doubled over gasping for air when he would then proceed to punch you in the face mercilessly, which is now 1 foot below his head.

 

[Balance]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

I doubt punches thrown a foot above his head would have the snap they otherwise have, and I would have no intention of standing there for him to hit me, so both.I assume we are talking about Pacquiao... not the original claims in the thread. Average guy this size? I may stand there and dare him to hit me.

Why would he have to throw punches a foot above his head? He would wail on your midsection relentlessly. You would be doubled over gasping for air when he would then proceed to punch you in the face mercilessly, which is now 1 foot below his head.

And again, no he wouldn't. I wouldn't need to hit the guy to keep him off me - holding an arm or forearm out, or a knee... whatever, it would be too easy to keep someone this size off me.For the bazillionth time, everyone insists on assuming I would even think for a second to box the guy.

 

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

 

[Scotch Rocks]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

I think I understand. In your mind, Pacquiao's strategy would be to lower his head and windmill his arms like Curly attacking Moe.I could be wrong, but I think you're underestimating his combative skillset.

 

[the moops]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

I think I understand. In your mind, Pacquiao's strategy would be to lower his head and windmill his arms like Curly attacking Moe.I could be wrong, but I think you're underestimating his combative skillset.

But he's small!I mean, anyone who weighs 100 pounds more than anyone else can just hold them at arm's length. It's as simple as that.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'm sure Pac Man would take off his shirt to start. He's probably much more comfortable not wearing a shirt.

So your plan is to try and grab his pants? And you don't think he's going to land and hard KO level punches because you have your knee out "to push back"?

He'd dance around, you wouldn't get a hold of anything, and when you were a bit out of position, he'd throw a jab with the right and KO you with the left right on your chin/jaw. You saw the way Hatton went down... It'd be like that, but worse.

Your best bet is to charge, hope he doesn't KO you on the shot you'll take going in, land on top, and then wail on him while hoping he doesn't squirm away. Chances of all those things going your way are about 1/1000. Chance of Pacquiao landing a KO shot, about 2/3rds. Chance of Paquiao breaking a bone of some sort and you winning because he hurt himself... maybe 1/4th. Other result were Pacquiao wins is the rest.

 

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

I think I understand. In your mind, Pacquiao's strategy would be to lower his head and windmill his arms like Curly attacking Moe.I could be wrong, but I think you're underestimating his combative skillset.

If he can't hit me with any oomph (sorry won't be anywhere he can reach), what exactly is he gonna do.. do you argue his size would have an advantage on the ground or if I got a hold of his arm or wrist?And I can't repeat this enough.. Pacquiao does not fit into the original boundaries of the thread. Pacquiao today is a complete monster compared to the 2007 Pacquiao... who still was significantly outside the original parameters of the thread (thus the switch from certainty to even odds).

 

[thayman]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

I doubt punches thrown a foot above his head would have the snap they otherwise have, and I would have no intention of standing there for him to hit me, so both.I assume we are talking about Pacquiao... not the original claims in the thread. Average guy this size? I may stand there and dare him to hit me.

Why would he have to throw punches a foot above his head? He would wail on your midsection relentlessly. You would be doubled over gasping for air when he would then proceed to punch you in the face mercilessly, which is now 1 foot below his head.

And again, no he wouldn't. I wouldn't need to hit the guy to keep him off me - holding an arm or forearm out, or a knee... whatever, it would be too easy to keep someone this size off me.For the bazillionth time, everyone insists on assuming I would even think for a second to box the guy.

You seem to also be assuming that this guy is going to box you.

 

[Balance]

I'm sure Pac Man would take off his shirt to start. He's probably much more comfortable not wearing a shirt.So your plan is to try and grab his pants? And you don't think he's going to land and hard KO level punches because you have your knee out "to push back"?He'd dance around, you wouldn't get a hold of anything, and when you were a bit out of position, he'd throw a jab with the right and KO you with the left right on your chin/jaw. You saw the way Hatton went down... It'd be like that, but worse.Your best bet is to charge, hope he doesn't KO you on the shot you'll take going in, land on top, and then wail on him while hoping he doesn't squirm away. Chances of all those things going your way are about 1/1000. Chance of Pacquiao landing a KO shot, about 2/3rds. Chance of Paquiao breaking a bone of some sort and you winning because he hurt himself... maybe 1/4th. Other result were Pacquiao wins is the rest.

I love the posts that make no assumptions on my part.

 

[Balance]

You seem to also be assuming that this guy is going to box you.

What else is a boxer nearly a foot shorter and 100 lbs lighter going to do? I'd love to hear the strategy where a guy this much smaller goes AWAY from his strength.eta - if it is the "he's going to kick you in the nuts!" schtick.. we've been there.

 

[Capn Crunch]

If he can't hit me with any oomph (sorry won't be anywhere he can reach), what exactly is he gonna do.. do you argue his size would have an advantage on the ground or if I got a hold of his arm or wrist?

And I can't repeat this enough.. Pacquiao does not fit into the original boundaries of the thread.

Pacquiao today is a complete monster compared to the 2007 Pacquiao... who still was significantly outside the original parameters of the thread (thus the switch from certainty to even odds).

Oh yes you will be. You're presuming you could grab his arm or wrist. I wish you seriously good luck with that. This isn't some kid who grew up on Crunchberries. Most lightweight boxers are absolutely lightning fast - by the time you grab their wrist you're holding air and their wrist is attached to your midsection.

 

[Balance]

If he can't hit me with any oomph (sorry won't be anywhere he can reach), what exactly is he gonna do.. do you argue his size would have an advantage on the ground or if I got a hold of his arm or wrist?

And I can't repeat this enough.. Pacquiao does not fit into the original boundaries of the thread.

Pacquiao today is a complete monster compared to the 2007 Pacquiao... who still was significantly outside the original parameters of the thread (thus the switch from certainty to even odds).

Oh yes you will be. You're presuming you could grab his arm or wrist. I wish you seriously good luck with that. This isn't some kid who grew up on Crunchberries. Most lightweight boxers are absolutely lightning fast - by the time you grab their wrist you're holding air and their wrist is attached to your midsection.

I'm presuming nothing aside from being able to keep a guy this tiny far enough away that I won't be in his wheel house.Me reaching his arm is about 2+ feet different from him reaching me. Or more? I just want his hand/wrist/forearm.. he has to get to my body. If he wants to grab my arms... he is welcome to them.

PS - when you refer to your "lightweight boxers", you are talking about giants compared to my claim.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

Shadyridr vs. Pacquaio

 

[Balance]

You seem to also be assuming that this guy is going to box you.

What else is a boxer nearly a foot shorter and 100 lbs lighter going to do? I'd love to hear the strategy where a guy this much smaller goes AWAY from his strength.eta - if it is the "he's going to kick you in the nuts!" schtick.. we've been there.

I wasn't saying this out of bravado either.. this was honestly an original take.Everyone else has been focused on a midget punching me, I'd love to hear what other tactics a tiny person might go for.

 

[thayman]

You seem to also be assuming that this guy is going to box you.

What else is a boxer nearly a foot shorter and 100 lbs lighter going to do? I'd love to hear the strategy where a guy this much smaller goes AWAY from his strength.eta - if it is the "he's going to kick you in the nuts!" schtick.. we've been there.

I wasn't saying this out of bravado either.. this was honestly an original take.Everyone else has been focused on a midget punching me, I'd love to hear what other tactics a tiny person might go for.

I'm thinking he grabs your arm and breaks your elbow. You are bigger and stronger but I think you are underestimating how freaking fast he is.

 

[Scotch Rocks]

You seem to also be assuming that this guy is going to box you.

What else is a boxer nearly a foot shorter and 100 lbs lighter going to do? I'd love to hear the strategy where a guy this much smaller goes AWAY from his strength.eta - if it is the "he's going to kick you in the nuts!" schtick.. we've been there.

I wasn't saying this out of bravado either.. this was honestly an original take.Everyone else has been focused on a midget punching me, I'd love to hear what other tactics a tiny person might go for.

Well, for a Pacquiao level fighter, boxing would be more than sufficient, I'm sure. But naturally there are flyweights in MMA and Thai boxing as well. They wouldn't be able to dominate you with punches in the same way Pacman could, but they'd have plenty of ways to hurt you. Speed + destruction of your knees would be no pretty picture.

 

[Clayton Gray]

If he can't hit me with any oomph (sorry won't be anywhere he can reach), what exactly is he gonna do.. do you argue his size would have an advantage on the ground or if I got a hold of his arm or wrist?

And I can't repeat this enough.. Pacquiao does not fit into the original boundaries of the thread.

Pacquiao today is a complete monster compared to the 2007 Pacquiao... who still was significantly outside the original parameters of the thread (thus the switch from certainty to even odds).

Oh yes you will be. You're presuming you could grab his arm or wrist. I wish you seriously good luck with that. This isn't some kid who grew up on Crunchberries. Most lightweight boxers are absolutely lightning fast - by the time you grab their wrist you're holding air and their wrist is attached to your midsection.

I'm presuming nothing aside from being able to keep a guy this tiny far enough away that I won't be in his wheel house.Me reaching his arm is about 2+ feet different from him reaching me. Or more? I just want his hand/wrist/forearm.. he has to get to my body. If he wants to grab my arms... he is welcome to them.

PS - when you refer to your "lightweight boxers", you are talking about giants compared to my claim.

Considering your strategy, I believe this presumption to be nothing more than wishful thinking. I doubt you'll be quick enough to keep a skilled boxer from hitting you. And yes, I realize your head will tower above him, but I believe he will be able to pepper your torso with multiple shots. Eventually, you'll fatigue from the intensity of your own movement and experience great pain from his repeated strikes. When this happens, you'll either give up or he'll be able to land a KO punch to the head or a debilitating shot to your midsection.If you do manage to grab him, he'll likely have a free hand and use it to deliver a sharp blow to your nose while you're attempting to secure him with both of your hands. This punch will likely stun you enough to allow him to get free of your grasp.

 

[Capn Crunch]

Translation of all of the above: You would not end up on the winning side of the roster. Speed + strength is a scary, scary combination, even whan small.

Here's a corollary: You are driving a Nextel Cup car, best on the circuit, Jimmy Johnson quality ride, He has Steve Kinser's World of Outlaws sprint car. It' a five lap match race. Guess who wins? OK; now, in reality, you have Robbie Gordon's car. NOW who wins? Here's a hint: same answer, bigger ###-whooping.

 

[spacevan]

If you fought a featherweight boxer, here is what would happen....

He would wait for you to try and hit him, move out the way like he was in the Matrix and then deliver a blow to your liver that would make your body shut down.

2 hits... Him hittin you. You hittin the ground.

Speed kills, my friend.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs) and I have had this debate with friends many times.I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

He would hit you 5 times before you you even got your arm cocked. By the time you were ready to punch him, it would be pointless as you would not be able to see him with all the blood in your eye. Hopefully you pass out before he finishes you...

POTD

 

[Penguin]

Another point being missed here by the big fella's is conditioning. Your opponent is used to throwing 50+ punches every 3 minutes, round after round. Go outside (or in your basement so your neighbors don't witness this) and try throwing 50+ punches and ducking and weaving for 3 minute intervals, with a one minute break. Do this eight or ten times and report back on how you feel. And remember, you are just throwing punches, you haven't even been hit by one yet.

 

[The Z Machine]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

 

[shake zula]

Is this still being argued?

He is going to hit you so many times before you can even gather the thought of hitting him back that you'll regret the day you were born. It'll get ugly fast...so ugly you may have permanent damage.

 

[Penguin]

Btw, I witnessed something similar to the OP's original scenario quite a few years ago.

The setting: Jersey Shore, outside a club right in the middle of the main drag. Traffic stopped, people all around. A bouncer/weightlifter dude, around 6' 240 pounds with a fairly heavy hand (seen him knock a few patrons out, never took a punch from him personally) but a generally nasty fellow most of the time. The opponent, a 5'5" 125-130'ish boxer, not a pro, just a part time amateur. And when I say "part time amateur" I'm talking about a guy that had maybe 10 fights in his career.

The result: A joke, the boxer peppered the bouncer over & over again. The bouncer never landed a single punch, nor could he grab the boxer, lunging wildly over and over again while getting hit in the face by an allusive little man. Fight lasted around two minutes, maybe three at most. The bouncer was pretty busted up afterwards, broken nose, several cuts around his eyes and he basically waived the white flag. All this from a two bit amateur.

 

[ArcticEdge]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

What do you know about fighting Frenchy?

 

[The Z Machine]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

What do you know about fighting Frenchy?

Some muay thai training (~3 years). No amateur fights, just sparring.

 

[ArcticEdge]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

What do you know about fighting Frenchy?

Some muay thai training (~3 years). No amateur fights, just sparring.

Weaksauce Paltry, insufficient, and laughable in effort

 

[Adebisi]

Btw, I witnessed something similar to the OP's original scenario quite a few years ago. The setting: Jersey Shore, outside a club right in the middle of the main drag. Traffic stopped, people all around. A bouncer/weightlifter dude, around 6' 240 pounds with a fairly heavy hand (seen him knock a few patrons out, never took a punch from him personally) but a generally nasty fellow most of the time. The opponent, a 5'5" 125-130'ish boxer, not a pro, just a part time amateur. And when I say "part time amateur" I'm talking about a guy that had maybe 10 fights in his career.The result: A joke, the boxer peppered the bouncer over & over again. The bouncer never landed a single punch, nor could he grab the boxer, lunging wildly over and over again while getting hit in the face by an allusive little man. Fight lasted around two minutes, maybe three at most. The bouncer was pretty busted up afterwards, broken nose, several cuts around his eyes and he basically waived the white flag. All this from a two bit amateur.

That is a pretty heartening story. Many bouncers have ridiculous egos, and I'd be willing to guess that this guy was one of those types.

 

[The Z Machine]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

What do you know about fighting Frenchy?

Some muay thai training (~3 years). No amateur fights, just sparring.

Weaksauce Paltry, insufficient, and laughable in effort

I'm not the one making claims about being able to whoop any flyweight boxer on the planet. I just do it for the workout.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Btw, I witnessed something similar to the OP's original scenario quite a few years ago. The setting: Jersey Shore, outside a club right in the middle of the main drag. Traffic stopped, people all around. A bouncer/weightlifter dude, around 6' 240 pounds with a fairly heavy hand (seen him knock a few patrons out, never took a punch from him personally) but a generally nasty fellow most of the time. The opponent, a 5'5" 125-130'ish boxer, not a pro, just a part time amateur. And when I say "part time amateur" I'm talking about a guy that had maybe 10 fights in his career.The result: A joke, the boxer peppered the bouncer over & over again. The bouncer never landed a single punch, nor could he grab the boxer, lunging wildly over and over again while getting hit in the face by an allusive little man. Fight lasted around two minutes, maybe three at most. The bouncer was pretty busted up afterwards, broken nose, several cuts around his eyes and he basically waived the white flag. All this from a two bit amateur.

 

[ArcticEdge]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

What do you know about fighting Frenchy?

Some muay thai training (~3 years). No amateur fights, just sparring.

Weaksauce Paltry, insufficient, and laughable in effort

I'm not the one making claims about being able to whoop any flyweight boxer on the planet. I just do it for the workout.

Sweet.

 

[flapgreen]

Btw, I witnessed something similar to the OP's original scenario quite a few years ago. The setting: Jersey Shore, outside a club right in the middle of the main drag. Traffic stopped, people all around. A bouncer/weightlifter dude, around 6' 240 pounds with a fairly heavy hand (seen him knock a few patrons out, never took a punch from him personally) but a generally nasty fellow most of the time. The opponent, a 5'5" 125-130'ish boxer, not a pro, just a part time amateur. And when I say "part time amateur" I'm talking about a guy that had maybe 10 fights in his career.The result: A joke, the boxer peppered the bouncer over & over again. The bouncer never landed a single punch, nor could he grab the boxer, lunging wildly over and over again while getting hit in the face by an allusive little man. Fight lasted around two minutes, maybe three at most. The bouncer was pretty busted up afterwards, broken nose, several cuts around his eyes and he basically waived the white flag. All this from a two bit amateur.

These are well respected fbgs gb. Try to keep up.

 

[Penguin]

Btw, I witnessed something similar to the OP's original scenario quite a few years ago. The setting: Jersey Shore, outside a club right in the middle of the main drag. Traffic stopped, people all around. A bouncer/weightlifter dude, around 6' 240 pounds with a fairly heavy hand (seen him knock a few patrons out, never took a punch from him personally) but a generally nasty fellow most of the time. The opponent, a 5'5" 125-130'ish boxer, not a pro, just a part time amateur. And when I say "part time amateur" I'm talking about a guy that had maybe 10 fights in his career.The result: A joke, the boxer peppered the bouncer over & over again. The bouncer never landed a single punch, nor could he grab the boxer, lunging wildly over and over again while getting hit in the face by an allusive little man. Fight lasted around two minutes, maybe three at most. The bouncer was pretty busted up afterwards, broken nose, several cuts around his eyes and he basically waived the white flag. All this from a two bit amateur.

These are well respected fbgs gb. Try to keep up.

The 5'5" 130 pound'er in my story wouldn't be caught dead in a street fight against a regular FBG, maybe a lurker, but not one of Pickle's group!

 

[Mike Shanahan Fan]

Balance> Do you know the "ha dou ken"? That might help here.

 

[flapgreen]

And to catch up. I could be wrong, as I'm sure I've said all along.

I said these things not out of some cocky machisimo... just the way i feel. I don't think it is bragging to feel confident vs an opponent that size.

is it because you don't think his punches could hurt you or because you don't think he'd be able to land any hard punches?

I doubt punches thrown a foot above his head would have the snap they otherwise have, and I would have no intention of standing there for him to hit me, so both.I assume we are talking about Pacquiao... not the original claims in the thread. Average guy this size? I may stand there and dare him to hit me.

Why would he have to throw punches a foot above his head? He would wail on your midsection relentlessly. You would be doubled over gasping for air when he would then proceed to punch you in the face mercilessly, which is now 1 foot below his head.

And again, no he wouldn't. I wouldn't need to hit the guy to keep him off me - holding an arm or forearm out, or a knee... whatever, it would be too easy to keep someone this size off me.For the bazillionth time, everyone insists on assuming I would even think for a second to box the guy.

 

[flapgreen]

Shadyridr vs. Pacquaio

Does the club equal Pac's fist? If so, then I agree, except for the part where Shady gets in a punch

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

Also, any chance we could get a picture of your physique? No n00d necessary, but maybe something so we can judge accurately how long this would take?

2007 when this thread started - shape of my life, low body fat (no idea %), dunking on people in bball games, lifting more than ever, could run bball for 4 hours straight, etc. I have some training in aikido, dad was a boxer/martial artist + military/law enforcement self defense and submission. If i get a hold of a dude's arm or wrist or hand at this size... done.Today, 2 years later - I actually weigh a couple pounds less, but nowhere near the level of cardio/aerobic fitness, not quite as strong. 2 kids will do this...

Not enough difference to change the fact that I would be comfortable with anybody nearly a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

Is part of your overall strategy to get the fight moved to a basketball court?

 

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

Also, any chance we could get a picture of your physique? No n00d necessary, but maybe something so we can judge accurately how long this would take?

2007 when this thread started - shape of my life, low body fat (no idea %), dunking on people in bball games, lifting more than ever, could run bball for 4 hours straight, etc. I have some training in aikido, dad was a boxer/martial artist + military/law enforcement self defense and submission. If i get a hold of a dude's arm or wrist or hand at this size... done.Today, 2 years later - I actually weigh a couple pounds less, but nowhere near the level of cardio/aerobic fitness, not quite as strong. 2 kids will do this...

Not enough difference to change the fact that I would be comfortable with anybody nearly a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

Is part of your overall strategy to get the fight moved to a basketball court?

He asked a question about physique/fitness.. im not going to be stripping for you fellas (I know that disappoints you), so I wanted to give a feel for my conditioning and fitness.

 

[Balance]

It seems Balance and matsui think that a 105 lbs. elite boxer would have the same level of power and strength as a 105 lbs. boy. Simply not true. No, they don't have the striking power of Anderson Silva or even a Paquiao, but they're much stronger than most 105 lbs. boys you've come into contact with (no joking intended here).

I would like to meet a man this small, boxer or otherwise.I look all the time. I know some really really small guys at the gym, lean/muscular 5'6" 159lbs is the smallest. To think that these guys would dwarf my hypothetical opponent makes me laugh a little.

 

[moleculo]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.Here's what I know: 1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine. Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

 

[chet]

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.

While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.

Here's what I know:

1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.

2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.

3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.

I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.

And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine.

Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

 

[moleculo]

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

Don't get me wrong - size matters. All things being equal, you'd rather be bigger than your opponent - that's why you cut weight. But skill level is much more important. That's perhaps my point, that I didn't make very clear. If I am up against a good wrestler who is bigger, I'm pretty much screwed because he will be smart enough not to bull-rush and get himself into a bad position.

I'd take skilled vs big any day of the week.

 

[The Z Machine]

If you go to the gym and the smallest guys you see are nearly 160 lbs, you're going to the wrong gym.

Go to a Muay Thai or BJJ gym and find the Thai or Brazilian guys that have come over and barely speak English. They're likely to be at most 160 lbs, and some will be as small as 135 lbs. Sure, not the 105 lbs. featherweight you were originally talking about, but still quite a bit smaller than you. Finally, you realize that the 105 lbs. fighter steps into the ring on fight night at somewhere around 115 lbs, and maybe closer to 120 lbs. The guy that weighs in at 115 lbs, might fight at 130 lbs, and the guy that weighs in at 155 lbs, is normally about 170 lbs.

Just some food for thought.