What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)

[Mike Shanahan Fan]

Who are the smallest dudes that fight? Are there like 90 lb. little people?

 

[Britney Spears]

Who are the smallest dudes that fight? Are there like 90 lb. little people?

I might be able to handle a 45lb dude if they have those.

 

[Mike Shanahan Fan]

Who are the smallest dudes that fight? Are there like 90 lb. little people?

I might be able to handle a 45lb dude if they have those.

Like a little kid that knows karate?

 

[Balance]

If you go to the gym and the smallest guys you see are nearly 160 lbs, you're going to the wrong gym.Go to a Muay Thai or BJJ gym and find the Thai or Brazilian guys that have come over and barely speak English. They're likely to be at most 160 lbs, and some will be as small as 135 lbs. Sure, not the 105 lbs. featherweight you were originally talking about, but still quite a bit smaller than you. Finally, you realize that the 105 lbs. fighter steps into the ring on fight night at somewhere around 115 lbs, and maybe closer to 120 lbs. The guy that weighs in at 115 lbs, might fight at 130 lbs, and the guy that weighs in at 155 lbs, is normally about 170 lbs.Just some food for thought.

Now there is a level headed thought.I had not considered that they may fight significantly heavier than the weigh in. But I didn't make the claim with any of these caveats, my claim was against someone of that size in general. It was pushed to the boxing ring by others and I followed.This crossed my mind the other night where Pacquiao looked MASSIVE relative to two years ago when this thread began. Still small, but nowhere near the tiny range I placed him in before.

 

[Balance]

Fair enough, I disagree.

Can you go into detail as to your plan of attack against, say, a 125 lb. Pacquiao? This is in an unconfined space, yes?

I'm not sure I ever said I would attack Pacquiao.

But lets follow this line of questioning since the thread has now fixated on me vs. pacquiao:I would hold my right arm out (I'm a southpaw), and basically wait until I could get hold of something, anything. I'd have a knee ready if he got past the outstretched arm, not to hurt but to push back. If I can grab any part of his body or clothing, I think it would be a simple matter. this is fun.

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.Here's what I know: 1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine. Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

I said I would not box Pacquiao. And I've said all along the problem with someone under your size (you were actually WAY bigger than what we are talking about), would be hitting me at all.But nice long post anyway.

 

[Balance]

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.

While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.

Here's what I know:

1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.

2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.

3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.

I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.

And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine.

Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

 

[the moops]

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

 

[Balance]

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

Nope, never said it would be like fighting a 4th grader. Or if I did those references were repeated efforts to get people to realize just how small this is.... I don't believe at any point I said he had a 4th graders strength and skills.This thread seems to be me saying something, then a few of you trying to twist it into something I didn't say... rinse/repeat. I get that it would be more fun for you if I said what you say I said, but it makes it hard for me to keep up with.If you even have to ask the last question I'm going to say you haven't even read the premise of the htread in the first place. I was fairly clear with the size person i was/am talking about. Don't feel like starting 19 pages and 2 years of posts all over, sorry.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

This thread seems to be me saying something, then a few of you trying to twist it into something I didn't say...

Okay.

 

[Genedoc]

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.

While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.

Here's what I know:

1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.

2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.

3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.

I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.

And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine.

Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

Which simply illustrates you're only reading what you want to. The take home message from the thread is that skill and training trump size. Everyone who has weighed in on the subject has stated "all else being equal, bigger is better than smaller", but by definition we're not talking about all else being equal. We're discussing "large, athletic guy with no fight training vs. much smaller guy with substantial fight training".

 

[Genedoc]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs) and I have had this debate with friends many times.I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

Here is your very first post where you state that boxing or other [fighting] skill is irrelevant and it would be like a fighting a fourth grader.

 

[Balance]

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.

While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.

Here's what I know:

1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.

2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.

3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.

I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.

And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine.

Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

:( My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

Which simply illustrates you're only reading what you want to. The take home message from the thread is that skill and training trump size. Everyone who has weighed in on the subject has stated "all else being equal, bigger is better than smaller", but by definition we're not talking about all else being equal. We're discussing "large, athletic guy with no fight training vs. much smaller guy with substantial fight training".

Your post simply illustrates you have not read the thread, just the last recent posts. And :( at you telling me what we are discussing.. I set the parameters. And no everyone has not stated that... starting with me.I have never claimed it is purely size. Just that at this differential, my personal size and athletic ability would allow me to handle a person that size without much trouble. In this hypothetical matchup, size is the deciding factor given a good base of athleticism (strenght, speed, coordination). And I don't fall into the "no training" category either... please read before trying to reframe 19 pages and 2 years of posts.

I've been here all along and I'm pretty sure at this point I'm comfortable with what I am or am not claiming.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs) and I have had this debate with friends many times.I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

First time I've mentioned a midget. And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.

I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).

Yes, we're taking you out of context. :(

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Come on guys. He can dunk. Obviously he can take Pacquiao in a street fight.

 

[Balance]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs) and I have had this debate with friends many times.I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

First time I've mentioned a midget. And 5'6" 125lbs dudes are damn near midgets IMO.

I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).

Yes, we're taking you out of context. :(

Thank you, now tell me where I have disagreed with any of this.

 

[moleculo]

:( My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

Nope, never said it would be like fighting a 4th grader. Or if I did those references were repeated efforts to get people to realize just how small this is.... I don't believe at any point I said he had a 4th graders strength and skills.This thread seems to be me saying something, then a few of you trying to twist it into something I didn't say... rinse/repeat. I get that it would be more fun for you if I said what you say I said, but it makes it hard for me to keep up with.If you even have to ask the last question I'm going to say you haven't even read the premise of the htread in the first place. I was fairly clear with the size person i was/am talking about. Don't feel like starting 19 pages and 2 years of posts all over, sorry.

so we are clear then - you are talking about someone roughly 5'5", 130+/- lbs, who is highly skilled in the art vs someone 6'2", 200 lbs or thereabouts, moderately athletic, w/o any formal fighting training? Is that pretty accurate?

 

[chet]

:( My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

I think it's fair to say that anyone who has worldclass fighting skills and is 130 lbs could have their way with someone without training.However, the average high school wrestler does not have world class skills.

 

[Balance]

Come on guys. He can dunk. Obviously he can take Pacquiao in a street fight.

You seem pretty obsessed with this. Very odd.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs).I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

New sig here TAKING YOU OUT OF CONTEXT!

 

[Balance]

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

Nope, never said it would be like fighting a 4th grader. Or if I did those references were repeated efforts to get people to realize just how small this is.... I don't believe at any point I said he had a 4th graders strength and skills.This thread seems to be me saying something, then a few of you trying to twist it into something I didn't say... rinse/repeat. I get that it would be more fun for you if I said what you say I said, but it makes it hard for me to keep up with.If you even have to ask the last question I'm going to say you haven't even read the premise of the htread in the first place. I was fairly clear with the size person i was/am talking about. Don't feel like starting 19 pages and 2 years of posts all over, sorry.

so we are clear then - you are talking about someone roughly 5'5", 130+/- lbs, who is highly skilled in the art vs someone 6'2", 200 lbs or thereabouts, moderately athletic, w/o any formal fighting training? Is that pretty accurate?

I believe whooping a 5 ft nothing, 115-125 lbs regardless of training was the claim.Then Pacquiao got brought up. Never was within the above parameters, I said even odds. Today's Pacquiao doesn't even resemble that Pacquiaf course people want to mix the two up and take shots at me for saying I would whoop pacquiao..... which I never did. The mob reallly wants me to have said it, but i haven't.

 

[Balance]

I am your size (6'2", 225lbs).I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.

New sig here TAKING YOU OUT OF CONTEXT!

You are 2 years late, there are like 6 people with that sig.Irish was the first.You are cracking me up.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Of course people want to mix the two up and take shots at me for saying I would whoop pacquiao..... which I never did.

Yes you did. HTH.

 

[Balance]

Of course people want to mix the two up and take shots at me for saying I would whoop pacquiao..... which I never did.

Yes you did. HTH.

Link please.

 

[moleculo]

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

So you seem to admit that a 135 pound Pacquiao is someone you would not fight. But a 115 Pacquiao is someone you not only would fight, but have compared to fighting a 4th grader.What is the magic weight number that you see as the tipping point. 125 pounds? 130?

Nope, never said it would be like fighting a 4th grader. Or if I did those references were repeated efforts to get people to realize just how small this is.... I don't believe at any point I said he had a 4th graders strength and skills.This thread seems to be me saying something, then a few of you trying to twist it into something I didn't say... rinse/repeat. I get that it would be more fun for you if I said what you say I said, but it makes it hard for me to keep up with.If you even have to ask the last question I'm going to say you haven't even read the premise of the htread in the first place. I was fairly clear with the size person i was/am talking about. Don't feel like starting 19 pages and 2 years of posts all over, sorry.

so we are clear then - you are talking about someone roughly 5'5", 130+/- lbs, who is highly skilled in the art vs someone 6'2", 200 lbs or thereabouts, moderately athletic, w/o any formal fighting training? Is that pretty accurate?

I believe whooping a 5 ft nothing, 115-125 lbs regardless of training was the claim.Then Pacquiao got brought up. Never was within the above parameters, I said even odds. Today's Pacquiao doesn't even resemble that Pacquiaf course people want to mix the two up and take shots at me for saying I would whoop pacquiao..... which I never did. The mob reallly wants me to have said it, but i haven't.

you didn't say fighting Pacquiao would be like fighting a 4th grader?

 

[Genedoc]

When I graduated from college, I was 5'5", 140 lbs on a fat day. If we were to get in some sort of no strikes MMA type of contest, I'd put a lot of money on myself. I say no strikes because I have zero experience with that sort of thing. You previously said that you wouldn't box someone like that anyhow.

While I'm not a boxer, I am a wrestler. I was a HS state runner up, and an average D3 college wrestler. I have wrestled against national champs; I have wrestled in national tournaments. I'm by no means a MMA expert, but I know my way around the mat.

Here's what I know:

1. from a fly-weight's perspective, about rolling with bigger opponents: There is a significant speed difference in guys over 170 or so. You big guys looks at us fly-weights, and think, man, that dude is quick...we look at you and think, man, he's slow. If you try to make a move, you are so slow to develop it that we see it coming a mile away, and have already started what ever counter we want before you get there. It's not that hard - when you train against lightning quick fly-weights and then go against someone bigger, everything slows down.

2. because you are bigger, I know you will want to try to use your weight and muscle me - you want to play to your strength. Bull rush me...I dare you. I know it's coming, and because I'm faster than you, I will move. Again, because you aren't as fast and can't change directions quickly (damn inertia), you will end up with your face on the ground and me on your back.

3. in the event that you do get a hold of me, I'm squirmy enough that I guarantee I'll get out. I'm good like that.

I know all this because I have rolled with bigger opponents. We used to do this in practice all the time - break the monotony of rolling with the same guys every day. What I give up in girth and strength, I have in speed, agility, and wiggle.

And, I'm not that good. Someone with MMA experience that includes even a little wrestling will be fine.

Your best strategy would be to keep a distance and box - use your reach as an advantage, and don't let him get in on you; but at the same time don't let him get control of any arm or leg because he will use it against you.

The FFA where size is the ultimate disadvantage.

My #1 takeaway from this thread is that tiny people are bulletproof.

Which simply illustrates you're only reading what you want to. The take home message from the thread is that skill and training trump size. Everyone who has weighed in on the subject has stated "all else being equal, bigger is better than smaller", but by definition we're not talking about all else being equal. We're discussing "large, athletic guy with no fight training vs. much smaller guy with substantial fight training".

Your post simply illustrates you have not read the thread, just the last recent posts. And at you telling me what we are discussing.. I set the parameters. And no everyone has not stated that... starting with me.I have never claimed it is purely size. Just that at this differential, my personal size and athletic ability would allow me to handle a person that size without much trouble. In this hypothetical matchup, size is the deciding factor given a good base of athleticism (strenght, speed, coordination). And I don't fall into the "no training" category either... please read before trying to reframe 19 pages and 2 years of posts.

I've been here all along and I'm pretty sure at this point I'm comfortable with what I am or am not claiming.

I read the whole thread, from the beginning. You explicitly stated you would take any five foot nothing, 125lber regardless of boxing or any other training, and that you'd give yourself "good odds" against Pac. When you were laughed out, you started wriggling and saying that you didn't say things you said. This thread would've died a quiet death if at any point you'd have admitted you wrote a $1000 check with $500 in the rhetorical bank. Your continued insistence that size + moderate athletic ability trumps "boxing or pretty much any other training" combined with back tracking and saying you didn't say things you did say are simply exposing you.

 

[Balance]

you didn't say fighting Pacquiao would be like fighting a 4th grader?

I have said it would be like fighting many people, 4th graders, Neve Campbell, etc.All of these statements were made relative to SIZE. Looking back I can see where this may have been confused... but anyone believing I thought Pacquiao had the speed and strength of a 4th grader is looking for something that isn't there.I understand the desperation for entertainment, but lets keep it in check.

 

[the moops]

you didn't say fighting Pacquiao would be like fighting a 4th grader?

I have said it would be like fighting many people, 4th graders, Neve Campbell, etc.All of these statements were made relative to SIZE. Looking back I can see where this may have been confused... but anyone believing I thought Pacquiao had the speed and strength of a 4th grader is looking for something that isn't there.I understand the desperation for entertainment, but lets keep it in check.

I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

Again, what is the cutoff in weight? Obviously you think you can whoop any 115-125 pound guy. But not a 130 pound guy?

 

[Balance]

I read the whole thread, from the beginning. You explicitly stated you would take any five foot nothing, 125lber regardless of boxing or any other training, and that you'd give yourself "good odds" against Pac. When you were laughed out, you started wriggling and saying that you didn't say things you said. This thread would've died a quiet death if at any point you'd have admitted you wrote a $1000 check with $500 in the rhetorical bank. Your continued insistence that size + moderate athletic ability trumps "boxing or pretty much any other training" combined with back tracking and saying you didn't say things you did say are simply exposing you.

I have not wiggled for a second. It is people like you that want to make this about one-upping me rather than actually considering the points made that have made this thread. It has never been a macho deal for me.Any contradictions I have made have been in the face of an infinite number of hypothetical situations you guys want to put me in.. pacquiao being just one. Making different claims regarding wildly different situations is not wiggling, sorry.I'm laughing right back, this thread is awesome.

 

[Balance]

you didn't say fighting Pacquiao would be like fighting a 4th grader?

I have said it would be like fighting many people, 4th graders, Neve Campbell, etc.All of these statements were made relative to SIZE. Looking back I can see where this may have been confused... but anyone believing I thought Pacquiao had the speed and strength of a 4th grader is looking for something that isn't there.

I understand the desperation for entertainment, but lets keep it in check.

I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

Again, what is the cutoff in weight? Obviously you think you can whoop any 115-125 pound guy. But not a 130 pound guy?

hint is in bold

 

[the moops]

you didn't say fighting Pacquiao would be like fighting a 4th grader?

I have said it would be like fighting many people, 4th graders, Neve Campbell, etc.All of these statements were made relative to SIZE. Looking back I can see where this may have been confused... but anyone believing I thought Pacquiao had the speed and strength of a 4th grader is looking for something that isn't there.

I understand the desperation for entertainment, but lets keep it in check.

I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.

Again, what is the cutoff in weight? Obviously you think you can whoop any 115-125 pound guy. But not a 130 pound guy?

hint is in bold

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?

I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

 

[Balance]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

 

[Charlie Harper]

OK. Why?

Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?

I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. :( DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.

I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

 

[Charlie Harper]

You honestly think you could take anyone of these guys? Ridiculous.

 

[Balance]

OK. Why?

Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?

I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. :( DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.

I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

 

[Mike Shanahan Fan]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

Is it possible to "grab" a fist with your liver? :(

 

[Balance]

You honestly think you could take anyone of these guys? Ridiculous.

I would pick this guy first.

 

[Balance]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

Is it possible to "grab" a fist with your liver? :(

Alright I'll stop responding to these now. Uh huh! Nuh uh! Uh huh! Nuh uh!

 

[Charlie Harper]

You honestly think you could take anyone of these guys? Ridiculous.

I would pick this guy first.

Getting choked out by a guy with an afro. Solid choice.

 

[Balance]

You honestly think you could take anyone of these guys? Ridiculous.

I would pick this guy first.

Getting choked out by a guy with an afro. Solid choice.

Would be classic I agree, but I think I could manage to not be choked out against a guy that has trouble submitting or knocking out guys his own size.

 

[Third]

Balance reeling in boatloads.

 

[moleculo]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

at "leaves his feet".If the 5' nothing 115 lb guy has training, you will not be able to throw him around the way you think you can. There's more to skill than striking, I think you are seriously underestimating all of the various grappling based martial arts. If you let someone who knows what they are doing get in on you, you will be tapping out before long.Consider this: I guarantee a skilled fly-weight dude has trained against guys your size. with out a doubt. There is a shortage of guys sized like that, so they routinely train up a few weights. They will know what they are doing - they will know what moves to stay away from, to avoid you using weight as an advantage. you, on the other hand, have never rolled with guys that small. fighting someone with man strength and who knows what they are doing is a much different thing than throwing around 14 yr olds.

 

[Charlie Harper]

You honestly think you could take anyone of these guys? Ridiculous.

I would pick this guy first.

Getting choked out by a guy with an afro. Solid choice.

Would be classic I agree, but I think I could manage to not be choked out against a guy that has trouble submitting or knocking out guys his own size.

He has trouble submitting elite level fighters, not guys who's claim to fame is dunking.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

If you go to the gym and the smallest guys you see are nearly 160 lbs, you're going to the wrong gym.Go to a Muay Thai or BJJ gym and find the Thai or Brazilian guys that have come over and barely speak English. They're likely to be at most 160 lbs, and some will be as small as 135 lbs. Sure, not the 105 lbs. featherweight you were originally talking about, but still quite a bit smaller than you. Finally, you realize that the 105 lbs. fighter steps into the ring on fight night at somewhere around 115 lbs, and maybe closer to 120 lbs. The guy that weighs in at 115 lbs, might fight at 130 lbs, and the guy that weighs in at 155 lbs, is normally about 170 lbs.Just some food for thought.

Now there is a level headed thought.I had not considered that they may fight significantly heavier than the weigh in. But I didn't make the claim with any of these caveats, my claim was against someone of that size in general. It was pushed to the boxing ring by others and I followed.This crossed my mind the other night where Pacquiao looked MASSIVE relative to two years ago when this thread began. Still small, but nowhere near the tiny range I placed him in before.

Back in the 70's I competed in Judo. At the time weight classes where in fluctuation but I competed at the 78 Kilo class which was sometimes an 81 kilo class. Basically i was to be competing at around 175 pounds to a bit more. I weighed 190 pounds. I would cut weight for matches losing some real weight but mostly water. After making weight I would rehydrate and would be pretty close to my average daily weight when I took the mat.This was more or les true of my H.S wrestling as well except there it was slightly less extreme because the weigh in period was closer, somewhat to taking the mat.

 

[Balance]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

at "leaves his feet".If the 5' nothing 115 lb guy has training, you will not be able to throw him around the way you think you can. There's more to skill than striking, I think you are seriously underestimating all of the various grappling based martial arts. If you let someone who knows what they are doing get in on you, you will be tapping out before long.Consider this: I guarantee a skilled fly-weight dude has trained against guys your size. with out a doubt. There is a shortage of guys sized like that, so they routinely train up a few weights. They will know what they are doing - they will know what moves to stay away from, to avoid you using weight as an advantage. you, on the other hand, have never rolled with guys that small. fighting someone with man strength and who knows what they are doing is a much different thing than throwing around 14 yr olds.

You aren't the first to say I have no chance against a guy half my size... you probably won't be the last.

 

[Balance]

If you go to the gym and the smallest guys you see are nearly 160 lbs, you're going to the wrong gym.Go to a Muay Thai or BJJ gym and find the Thai or Brazilian guys that have come over and barely speak English. They're likely to be at most 160 lbs, and some will be as small as 135 lbs. Sure, not the 105 lbs. featherweight you were originally talking about, but still quite a bit smaller than you. Finally, you realize that the 105 lbs. fighter steps into the ring on fight night at somewhere around 115 lbs, and maybe closer to 120 lbs. The guy that weighs in at 115 lbs, might fight at 130 lbs, and the guy that weighs in at 155 lbs, is normally about 170 lbs.Just some food for thought.

Now there is a level headed thought.I had not considered that they may fight significantly heavier than the weigh in. But I didn't make the claim with any of these caveats, my claim was against someone of that size in general. It was pushed to the boxing ring by others and I followed.This crossed my mind the other night where Pacquiao looked MASSIVE relative to two years ago when this thread began. Still small, but nowhere near the tiny range I placed him in before.

Back in the 70's I competed I Judo. At the time weight classes where in fluctuation but I competed at the 78 Kilo class which was sometimes an 81 kilo class. Basically i was to be competing at around 175 pounds to a bit more. I weighed 190 pounds. I would cut weight for matches losing some real weight but mostly water. After making weight I would rehydrate and would be pretty close to my average daily weight when I took the mat.

Yeah my dad did this when he boxed, but it never seemed that dramatic.

 

[moleculo]

OK. Why?Have you fought a 130 pound guy that kicked your ###? Have you tossed some 5 foot nothing, 115 pound guy around like a rag doll?I (we) are curious how you determine these things.

Why? Common sense. Put all the muscle and power you want into a guy this small, and if I can grab hold of any part of him that power and skill goes out the window as he leaves his feet. DISCLAIMER: to avoid the next onslaught of attackers, I say this only because of the size differential, not because i think I'm a badass.No I have never and probably would never fight a 130 pound guy (or much smaller). The only times I have thrown 5 foot nothing 115 guys around like rag dolls... were under the age of 14 (wrestling nephews in bouncy castle). I don't know any grown men this tiny.I used the bantamweight boxing weight class for this range if I recall.

at "leaves his feet".If the 5' nothing 115 lb guy has training, you will not be able to throw him around the way you think you can. There's more to skill than striking, I think you are seriously underestimating all of the various grappling based martial arts. If you let someone who knows what they are doing get in on you, you will be tapping out before long.Consider this: I guarantee a skilled fly-weight dude has trained against guys your size. with out a doubt. There is a shortage of guys sized like that, so they routinely train up a few weights. They will know what they are doing - they will know what moves to stay away from, to avoid you using weight as an advantage. you, on the other hand, have never rolled with guys that small. fighting someone with man strength and who knows what they are doing is a much different thing than throwing around 14 yr olds.

You aren't the first to say I have no chance against a guy half my size... you probably won't be the last.

I'd never say no chance. In a sport where one punch landed in just the right spot at just the right angle, anyone has a chance.

 

[JuniorNB]

Based on the earlier post where someone's friend, a 140 lb. amatuerish boxer, beat the living snot out of a 6'0" 240 lb. bouncer with many fights under his belt, I'd have to make a few observations...

I'm going to go ahead and assume that a 125-140 lb. elite Featherweight boxer (like Pacquioa) would anhialate the little amature dude that was in that fight.

I'm going to also go ahead and assume that the 240 lb. bouncer who throws bar patrons around for a living would have no trouble decking the 200 lb basketball dunker who won't post a picture of himself.

Based on these two assumptions, and knowing the result of the earlier mentioned tilt, I'm going to have to come to a conclusion that the Pacqioaish boxer would probably not only beat the crap out of the OP, but would also make him cry, make him scream 'uncle', and make him wear his picture in a locket around his neck for a few months afterward.

 

[Balance]

Based on the earlier post where someone's friend, a 140 lb. amatuerish boxer, beat the living snot out of a 6'0" 240 lb. bouncer with many fights under his belt, I'd have to make a few observations...I'm going to go ahead and assume that a 125-140 lb. elite Featherweight boxer (like Pacquioa) would anhialate the little amature dude that was in that fight.I'm going to also go ahead and assume that the 240 lb. bouncer who throws bar patrons around for a living would have no trouble decking the 200 lb basketball dunker who won't post a picture of himself.Based on these two assumptions, and knowing the result of the earlier mentioned tilt, I'm going to have to come to a conclusion that the Pacqioaish boxer would probably not only beat the crap out of the OP, but would also make him cry, make him scream 'uncle', and make him wear his picture in a locket around his neck for a few months afterward.

Much better post than an emoticon. But, I will have to disagree.

 

[JuniorNB]

Based on the earlier post where someone's friend, a 140 lb. amatuerish boxer, beat the living snot out of a 6'0" 240 lb. bouncer with many fights under his belt, I'd have to make a few observations...

I'm going to go ahead and assume that a 125-140 lb. elite Featherweight boxer (like Pacquioa) would anhialate the little amature dude that was in that fight.

I'm going to also go ahead and assume that the 240 lb. bouncer who throws bar patrons around for a living would have no trouble decking the 200 lb basketball dunker who won't post a picture of himself.

Based on these two assumptions, and knowing the result of the earlier mentioned tilt, I'm going to have to come to a conclusion that the Pacqioaish boxer would probably not only beat the crap out of the OP, but would also make him cry, make him scream 'uncle', and make him wear his picture in a locket around his neck for a few months afterward.

Much better post than an emoticon. But, I will have to disagree.

On what part? That Pacquioaeio could destroy the amateur dude or that the 240 lb bouncer could destroy you?