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Where do you have Dayne ranked? (1 Viewer)
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diesel7982
Footballguy
33-35. Cant imagine relying on him this year.
Crimedogg32
Footballguy
was this overall or just out of RBs?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
RB14
nygiants56
Footballguy
most likely somewhere in the RB #25-30 ranking...
I can think of at least 20-25, maybe even 30 guys I'd take ahead of him..not at all inpressed with Dayne, I think he's fools gold this year..just my 2 cents..worth a late flyer since he could become a factor..I think too many people are looking back at the Thanksgiving Day game and thinking that kind of output will spill over into the 2006 season..
I'm not sure I'd take him over any of the 32 RB starters in the NFL..
I can think of at least 20-25, maybe even 30 guys I'd take ahead of him..not at all inpressed with Dayne, I think he's fools gold this year..just my 2 cents..worth a late flyer since he could become a factor..I think too many people are looking back at the Thanksgiving Day game and thinking that kind of output will spill over into the 2006 season..
I'm not sure I'd take him over any of the 32 RB starters in the NFL..
David Yudkin
Footballguy
In terms of rankings for drafting purposes, he won't be in my Top 20 although he could end up in the Top 15 at the end of the year for actual results.
He has issues that make him hard to draft earlier but he certainly could do well in Denver, thus the disparity.
He has issues that make him hard to draft earlier but he certainly could do well in Denver, thus the disparity.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Top 15
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
25-30 right now
5-10 spots higher than I had Mike Anderson ranked last year at this time.
5-10 spots higher than I had Mike Anderson ranked last year at this time.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Given that I don't expect any Denver RB to hold the starting job without putting up good numbers, if Dayne does hold the job he should have top-15 numbers. That said, it's really hard to rely on him for that kind of production, given his history of underwhelming performances everywhere except the lunchroom. He's definitely a guy I will throw out early in an auction format, when there's enough money around for people to get silly.
Necro Butcher Superstar
Footballguy
Just between Aunt Bee and The World's Fatest Man.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I would agree with good, but disagree with very good. My statement was more about premise than about comparing Priest to Dayne.While I agree with your premise, at least Priest looked good (some might say very good) in Baltimore...Do you think it's possible for RBs to change their running style when in a different system? Priest Holmes looked like a different back in KC.
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Islander
Footballguy
I think you have more Dayne lovers checking in here than people who don't care that much about him (without necessarily hating him). I personally would use the current FBG ranking of RB38, maybe a little higher since some FBGs might not have updated their RB rankings from top to bottom recently, even though the date stamp shows they did. I expect his ADP to be around RB30-35 for drafts this week.Seriously...maybe he's gone from vastly underrated to slightly overrated ??I'm truly surprised thus far. I assumed his ranking would be about what FBG's is.
I have him at RB28 right now and I feel comfortable he will still be available after 27 RBs are off the board.
I have him at RB 48. And won't be moving him until I see some SERIOUS play during Pre Season. And against ONLY first team D's.
Dayne is no good, and you know that if you live in/around NY.
He was given ample opportunity in NY, on some good teams. And couldn't get it done.
I believe someone said on this thread most people don't reply because they aren't interested.
I'd agree, Dayne would have to be very cheap for me to draft him. And he's not as of now....
GL with him.
Dayne is no good, and you know that if you live in/around NY.
He was given ample opportunity in NY, on some good teams. And couldn't get it done.
I believe someone said on this thread most people don't reply because they aren't interested.
I'd agree, Dayne would have to be very cheap for me to draft him. And he's not as of now....
GL with him.
Blood Farmer
Footballguy
One spot ahead of Cedric Cobbs
Islander
Footballguy
I too believe he is an inept RB. It's not because TD, Portis, Droughns, Q, Mike Anderson, etc. were all successful that any RB would be successful in Denver. Dayne is horrible. I think he is worse than all the guys the Broncos had before.However, the reason I am not staying away from Dayne at all costs is that if Shanahan believes Dayne can be the starter, who are we to say he can't?
I prefer to go in my drafts with a cautious but open minded attitude with Dayne rather than getting all excited or writing him off completely.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Mike Anderson's 1st two games last year...4 carries for 5 yards
15 carries for 49 yards
He ended up okay.
nygiants56
Footballguy
it was done on purpose..he's not a starting RB, thats why I put '32' down..playing Devils Advocate: you're assuming he's a starter in Denver, and i'm not sure he is..Shanahan can talk about that all he wants, but until opening day, we won't know who the #1 rb in denver is. I still see the same 'fat-slow-guy' that I saw when he wore a Giants uniform. Until he proves himself in the NFL , I won't consider him a starting RB..he's simply nothing more than a bye week fill-in..
nygiants56
Footballguy
SSOG
Moderator
At least we're drafting the starter before the backup this year.
As everyone knows, I'm a huge fan of Dayne this year, but there's absolutely no way I could possibly draft him before the 5th round this early in the offseason. There's just been too much trade talk in Denver. As long as Lelie is in town, I will remain very nervous about Dayne. In my opinion, the first 4 rounds are all about playing it as risk-adverse as possible. I lost too many leagues because I ignored the Terrell Owens warning signs to repeat that mistake again this year.
Cenobite
Footballguy
No, he looked like a man who was given the chance. Priest never averaged less than 4.3 yds while with Balt. In 1998 he came out of nowhere to gain more than 1000 yards. He was good then but the Ravens didn't think he could carry the load. Priest's year round conditioning has added to his success. I don't think running styles can be completely changed. Dayne, and I've watched him a lot while he was with the Giants, just does not have the "pop" when hitting the hole. It's like asking a pitcher to get more velocity on his fastball. It is what it is. I believe it's just a matter of time before Dayne's suckiness reveals itself again.Do you think it's possible for RBs to change their running style when in a different system? Priest Holmes looked like a different back in KC.
packersfan
Footballguy
That's my take at this point. I think the hype is kicking into gear - at least with this poll. Given the success of every Tom, #### and Harry who's played RB for the Broncos in recent years we obviously can't rule out Dayne doing well - no matter how awful he's looked for most of his career. That said, I think he brings with him significant risk which is why I currently have him at 34. But I also don't see much separation between him and any of the other RBs I have ranked from 28-36. It's a pretty motley group for the most part among the RBs in that range in my opinion.Seriously...maybe he's gone from vastly underrated to slightly overrated ??
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Any chance that with a bigger hole to run through that Dayne might be able to do better? Denver has had a great team ypc average in the Shannahan era:1995 - 4.53 (2)No, he looked like a man who was given the chance. Priest never averaged less than 4.3 yds while with Balt. In 1998 he came out of nowhere to gain more than 1000 yards. He was good then but the Ravens didn't think he could carry the load. Priest's year round conditioning has added to his success. I don't think running styles can be completely changed. Dayne, and I've watched him a lot while he was with the Giants, just does not have the "pop" when hitting the hole. It's like asking a pitcher to get more velocity on his fastball. It is what it is. I believe it's just a matter of time before Dayne's suckiness reveals itself again.Do you think it's possible for RBs to change their running style when in a different system? Priest Holmes looked like a different back in KC.
1996 - 4.50 (4)
1997 - 4.57 (2)
1998 - 4.70 (2)
1999 - 4.01 (14)
2000 - 4.50 (6)
2001 - 3.90 (19)
2002 - 4.96 (3)
2003 - 4.84 (3)
2004 - 4.37 (8)
2005 - 4.68 (8)
Nine of 11 seasons the Broncos ranked Top 10 in ypc as a team. Is that a coincidence or did every year the Broncos have ultra talented RB that increased the number on their own (and the OL was along for the ride).
If Dayne really were as bad as every says he is . . . wouldn't Shannahan have recognized that? He certainly knows what his team's needs are far better than we do, and IMO if he is sticking by and supporting Dayne he feels confident that he will do well. I'm pretty sure that Shannahan knows what he's doing.
packersfan
Footballguy
Well he did seem to think drafting Maurice Clarett was a good idea.
Neo
The Dude minds
I have to say, I have followed Dayne since he entered the league, as a Giants fan, I was thrust into his world when we drafted him. After his first game that preseason, I was
, I saw absolutely nothing special in him. My hatred for Ron Dayne even went so far that I called in to Mike and the Mad Dog after a regular season game and ranted about Dayne....which resulted in me getting into a shouting match with Fatscesa. If I recall my argument was the Giants were better off just spiking the ball then running a pitch play to Dayne. Spiking the ball resulted in better results.With that said, to say he was given ample opportunity to succeed, I would have to disagree. If anything he was set up to fail. If he was in the game, the ball would go to him and everyone on both sides of the ball knew it. There was very little guess work involved with Ron at the time. He was in. He got the ball. Went a couple of yards, if that, and was down. Tiki was on the cusp of becoming the all pro he is now and Dayne was essentially run out of town.
The guy was continually trashed in NY and took it like a man. Sure, at times he came off frustrated, but any one of us would of been in his shoes. He never called anyone out and Tiki always had nothing but good things to say about the guy. Second chances do happen. I for one am rooting for Dayne to succeed this year. If anyone can get him to succeed, it's Shannahan.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
What I always find funny is that people tend to think that every roster move and every draft pick needs to turn into a HOFer every time for a coach to be a good coach.The fact of the matter is, many draft picks tank for whatever reason on whater team. That's life.Well he did seem to think drafting Maurice Clarett was a good idea.
There were reason why Denver took a flyer on Clarett (mostly they didn't have picks in the next few rounds). It didn't pan out. Bottom line, though, Shannahan has had a lot of good seasons from a lot of RB--some of them quite talented and others not as talented.
packersfan
Footballguy
I was kidding, David. Hence the wink.What I always find funny is that people tend to think that every roster move and every draft pick needs to turn into a HOFer every time for a coach to be a good coach.The fact of the matter is, many draft picks tank for whatever reason on whater team. That's life.Well he did seem to think drafting Maurice Clarett was a good idea.
There were reason why Denver took a flyer on Clarett (mostly they didn't have picks in the next few rounds). It didn't pan out. Bottom line, though, Shannahan has had a lot of good seasons from a lot of RB--some of them quite talented and others not as talented.
There's no questioning the success Shanahan has had with RBs which is why Dayne shouldn't be ruled out by any means. I'm just not sold on him being able to separate himself from Bell the way Anderson did last season which is why I currently have Dayne ranked 34th. A lot can change between now and the start of the season, though, so there's plenty of time for Dayne to move up my rankings if he impresses. For those drafting now or before camp it's going to be a gut call with him but I do think there's a danger of him being a bit over-rated right now. The poll's results in this thread would tend to support that belief in my opinion.
Cenobite
Footballguy
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Any chance that with a bigger hole to run through that Dayne might be able to do better?
Yes, I expect him to do better. That is why I even rank him and if he falls very late in the draft I might take him. In a PPR league Dayne is a risky pick. If he isn't carrying at least 50% of the load and getting the carries inside the 5 he isn't worth a roster spot. I simply believe that the plodding Dayne that I saw will emerge again and Bell will get most of the carries as the season progresses. It's not that I don't believe in the Broncos, their staff and linemen, it's that I don't believe in Ron Dayne.
Any chance that with a bigger hole to run through that Dayne might be able to do better?
Yes, I expect him to do better. That is why I even rank him and if he falls very late in the draft I might take him. In a PPR league Dayne is a risky pick. If he isn't carrying at least 50% of the load and getting the carries inside the 5 he isn't worth a roster spot. I simply believe that the plodding Dayne that I saw will emerge again and Bell will get most of the carries as the season progresses. It's not that I don't believe in the Broncos, their staff and linemen, it's that I don't believe in Ron Dayne.
SSOG
Moderator
Clarett got cut within weeks of seeing the field. If there's one thing that Shanahan's capable of doing, it's trimming the fat when he notices it needs to be trimmed.As has been noted, there's a heck of a lot of fat on Ron Dayne, so I suspect that Shanahan would have noticed by now if it needed to be trimmed.Well he did seem to think drafting Maurice Clarett was a good idea.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
he's gone from vastly underrated to slightly overrated ??
i would actually say, vastly overrated. just my crappy uneducated opinion.
SSOG
Moderator
For the record, this was 100% smoke screen. I just drafted Dayne in the 3rd, and couldn't be happier with the selection. I wanted to wait until the 4th, but didn't want to risk having someone else snatch him up in the next 12 picks just to eke a little bit more value out of him.I was strongly considering taking Dayne in the second, but figured I had a great chance of getting BOTH guys I wanted at that pick I just threw up a little bit of misdirection, first.At least we're drafting the starter before the backup this year.
SSOG
Moderator
In a normal league, I wouldn't have hesitated to wait, but in a league made up entirely of FBGs, everyone knows exactly what my thoughts on the matter are. If anyone at all felt the same way I did with Dayne, then they'd know they had to beat me to him, and would be more likely to jump on him in the 3rd or 4th because they knew he wasn't going to wait around forever.I was projecting 5, possibly 6 RBs to go before my next pick. I understand I likely could have waited, but I feel Dayne still represented great value where I got him. If you project a guy as 1st or 2nd round talent, and he's projected to go in the 7th, you're going to feel awfully foolish if you keep waiting on him and somebody grabs him in the late 6th. From where I sit, I got top-20 value for pick #30, and I'm happy with that.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
CheesyFor the record, this was 100% smoke screen. I just drafted Dayne in the 3rd, and couldn't be happier with the selection. I wanted to wait until the 4th, but didn't want to risk having someone else snatch him up in the next 12 picks just to eke a little bit more value out of him.I was strongly considering taking Dayne in the second, but figured I had a great chance of getting BOTH guys I wanted at that pick I just threw up a little bit of misdirection, first.At least we're drafting the starter before the backup this year.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I think you've broadcasted it enough the last few months that the one post here didn't matter.When I read your round 5 comment I went :whoosh:Come on now, you can't expect me to broadcast my every intention to my entire league, can you?Cheesy
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SSOG
Moderator
Well, I did my broadcasting before I joined a league full of FBGers. If I'd known then what I know now, I would have been a little bit more tepid in my support of Dayne so I didn't have to draft him in the third.I think you've broadcasted it enough the last few months that the one post here didn't matter.When I read your round 5 comment I went :whoosh:Come on now, you can't expect me to broadcast my every intention to my entire league, can you?Cheesy
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Of course not SSOG. I just don't expect an astute homer to exploit the shark pool with bogus information designed to influence a league. That's cheesy. Silence is the better option in this circumstance. I got him at 6.9 today in a 12 teamer. Holding my breath for the last 12 picks. As long as he's penciled in as the starter I'll be high on him, but I also expect a full fledged RBBC.Come on now, you can't expect me to broadcast my every intention to my entire league, can you?Cheesy
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