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Where do you have Dayne ranked? (1 Viewer)

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I'm pretty sure he would have been there for you in the 4th.
In a normal league, I wouldn't have hesitated to wait, but in a league made up entirely of FBGs, everyone knows exactly what my thoughts on the matter are. If anyone at all felt the same way I did with Dayne, then they'd know they had to beat me to him, and would be more likely to jump on him in the 3rd or 4th because they knew he wasn't going to wait around forever.I was projecting 5, possibly 6 RBs to go before my next pick. I understand I likely could have waited, but I feel Dayne still represented great value where I got him. If you project a guy as 1st or 2nd round talent, and he's projected to go in the 7th, you're going to feel awfully foolish if you keep waiting on him and somebody grabs him in the late 6th. From where I sit, I got top-20 value for pick #30, and I'm happy with that. :)
That's the thing though. If you're 95% sure you still could have had him 12 picks later, then you're bypassing significant value that early in the draft. That said, you got Branch as your WR1 so if you're indifferent about him versus any of the guys who went between your Dayne pick and your Branch pick, then no value is technically lost. However, I would much rather have some of the WRs that went in between your 3rd and 4th rounders, and I would have rolled the dice that Dayne would have been there in the 4th. Say what you will about others on the board understanding some of your preferences, but selecting somebody more than 3 rounds earlier than their ADP in the 3rd round means your passing up on a potentially stronger team imo.

 
I'm pretty sure he would have been there for you in the 4th.
In a normal league, I wouldn't have hesitated to wait, but in a league made up entirely of FBGs, everyone knows exactly what my thoughts on the matter are. If anyone at all felt the same way I did with Dayne, then they'd know they had to beat me to him, and would be more likely to jump on him in the 3rd or 4th because they knew he wasn't going to wait around forever.I was projecting 5, possibly 6 RBs to go before my next pick. I understand I likely could have waited, but I feel Dayne still represented great value where I got him. If you project a guy as 1st or 2nd round talent, and he's projected to go in the 7th, you're going to feel awfully foolish if you keep waiting on him and somebody grabs him in the late 6th. From where I sit, I got top-20 value for pick #30, and I'm happy with that. :)
That's the thing though. If you're 95% sure you still could have had him 12 picks later, then you're bypassing significant value that early in the draft. That said, you got Branch as your WR1 so if you're indifferent about him versus any of the guys who went between your Dayne pick and your Branch pick, then no value is technically lost. However, I would much rather have some of the WRs that went in between your 3rd and 4th rounders, and I would have rolled the dice that Dayne would have been there in the 4th. Say what you will about others on the board understanding some of your preferences, but selecting somebody more than 3 rounds earlier than their ADP in the 3rd round means your passing up on a potentially stronger team imo.
If they jump on Dayne in the 3rd round then they are passing value down to you, so there will be someone still worth picking at your pick.I got Dayne at 5.04 in a survivor draft and that still might have been too early (but there were 20 picks before I could go again.)

 
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If they jump on Dayne in the 3rd round then they are passing value down to you, so there will be someone still worth picking at your pick.
That's my point. I was talking about lost value from his perspective, not mine.
 
That's the thing though. If you're 95% sure you still could have had him 12 picks later, then you're bypassing significant value that early in the draft. That said, you got Branch as your WR1 so if you're indifferent about him versus any of the guys who went between your Dayne pick and your Branch pick, then no value is technically lost.

However, I would much rather have some of the WRs that went in between your 3rd and 4th rounders, and I would have rolled the dice that Dayne would have been there in the 4th. Say what you will about others on the board understanding some of your preferences, but selecting somebody more than 3 rounds earlier than their ADP in the 3rd round means your passing up on a potentially stronger team imo.
I didn't even put the chances of Dayne being around at 95%. I put them at just over 50%. Maybe if I were more familiar with the rest of the owners, I would have waited, but as it stood, I couldn't risk it. I just feel that Dayne + Branch is a DRASTICALLY stronger team than Driver (who was my second choice at that pick) + Branch (or Roy Williams, if he'd fallen instead).Also, as I said elsewhere... my RB2 is Dominick Davis, and I'm extremely concerned about his injury status and injury history, so I felt the need to get a very strong RB3 just in case. In my rankings, there was Dayne, Chester Taylor, and Warrick Dunn... and then a very steep dropoff. Taylor and Dunn went within the next 3 picks. If I had passed on Dayne, I would have been in a very uncomfortable position.

I understand the whole concept of holding off as long as is humanly possible before drafting a player in order to maximize value and get the strongest team possible, but allow me to give you an extreme example. Let's say, perhaps, that it's 2005, and I view Mike Anderson as a first or second round caliber RB (which I did). Now let's say his ADP is the 17th round. Let's say the 15th round comes around. I could maximize value by letting Anderson slide again, but if he gets taken earlier than projected, then I am completely out of luck, losing out on a top-12 RB just because I was determined to wring the most value out of the situation that I could. That would, in my mind, be idiocy.

This was a similar, albeit less extreme, situation. I could try to wring the last ounce of value I could possibly get out of Ron Dayne... but I would risk losing him entirely. I felt that he presented better value at that point of the draft than anyone else on my entire board... so I took him. It might have been a little bit of a reach, but I seem to recall how everyone screamed that the Cincinatti Bengals "reached" when they drafted Chad Johnson. Ask them if they regret that, sometime. :)

I know it's not a very popular opinion around these parts, and I recognize there was probably a better than 50% chance that he fell another round (I was targeting him in the 4th originally, which is why I made my statement about the 5th round), but at the end of the day, I still felt that I got the best player on the board with my selection, so from that persepective, it was still a very good pick.

In fact, if the others in the league don't mind, I'd be curious to know when they were planning on targeting Dayne, and where they had him ranked in their projections.

 
The absolute earliest I would have considered him was at 5.10. You're high on him and that's cool. He might work out for you. I was just expressing my opinion that I really doubt he would have gone before your 4th rounder. But, you got your guy and didn't see a substantial dropoff in the WR that you were able to get in the fourth so your team is shaping up nicely according to your projections. :thumbup:

Just for reference, I checked out Antsports ADP on him just for Serious Mock drafts only completed between 6/1-6/22. Out of 25 drafts, his ADP was 7.01 and the range was from 5.02-9.03. He wasn't selected before the 5th in anyone of those 25 mock drafts over the last 3 weeks. It seems mid 4th would have been a fairly safe bet. Maybe less than a 95% chance but much higher than a 50% chance. Interesting argument nonetheless. He's one of those players who should have major movement in his ADP as we go through training camp.

 
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The absolute earliest I would have considered him was at 5.10. You're high on him and that's cool. He might work out for you. I was just expressing my opinion that I really doubt he would have gone before your 4th rounder. But, you got your guy and didn't see a substantial dropoff in the WR that you were able to get in the fourth so your team is shaping up nicely according to your projections. :thumbup:

Just for reference, I checked out Antsports ADP on him just for Serious Mock drafts only completed between 6/1-6/22. Out of 25 drafts, his ADP was 7.01 and the range was from 5.02-9.03. He wasn't selected before the 5th in anyone of those 25 mock drafts over the last 3 weeks. It seems mid 4th would have been a fairly safe bet. Maybe less than a 95% chance but much higher than a 50% chance. Interesting argument nonetheless. He's one of those players who should have major movement in his ADP as we go through training camp.
And even in a league of sharks I would have had no trouble waiting until the 4th or perhaps even the 5th to grab him. The problem is I'm not playing in a league of sharks... I'm playing in a league of sharks that are all aware of just how high I really am on Dayne. :unsure: :D
 
One spot ahead of Cedric Cobbs
At least we're drafting the starter before the backup this year. :) As everyone knows, I'm a huge fan of Dayne this year, but there's absolutely no way I could possibly draft him before the 5th round this early in the offseason. There's just been too much trade talk in Denver. As long as Lelie is in town, I will remain very nervous about Dayne. In my opinion, the first 4 rounds are all about playing it as risk-adverse as possible. I lost too many leagues because I ignored the Terrell Owens warning signs to repeat that mistake again this year.
For the record, this was 100% smoke screen. I just drafted Dayne in the 3rd, and couldn't be happier with the selection. I wanted to wait until the 4th, but didn't want to risk having someone else snatch him up in the next 12 picks just to eke a little bit more value out of him.I was strongly considering taking Dayne in the second, but figured I had a great chance of getting BOTH guys I wanted at that pick I just threw up a little bit of misdirection, first. :thumbup:
Link to this draft?
 
I took Dayne in a performace scoring league recently. Got him at 6.03, as the 31st RB selected. I am happy with that pick. He is my RB4, and worth the risk at that spot.

I think he can break the top 15, but will likely finish in the top 20 this year.

 
One spot ahead of Cedric Cobbs
At least we're drafting the starter before the backup this year. :) As everyone knows, I'm a huge fan of Dayne this year, but there's absolutely no way I could possibly draft him before the 5th round this early in the offseason. There's just been too much trade talk in Denver. As long as Lelie is in town, I will remain very nervous about Dayne. In my opinion, the first 4 rounds are all about playing it as risk-adverse as possible. I lost too many leagues because I ignored the Terrell Owens warning signs to repeat that mistake again this year.
For the record, this was 100% smoke screen. I just drafted Dayne in the 3rd, and couldn't be happier with the selection. I wanted to wait until the 4th, but didn't want to risk having someone else snatch him up in the next 12 picks just to eke a little bit more value out of him.I was strongly considering taking Dayne in the second, but figured I had a great chance of getting BOTH guys I wanted at that pick I just threw up a little bit of misdirection, first. :thumbup:
Link to this draft?
I can verify SSOG drafting him in the 3rd round. HE NEEDS TO HURRY UP AND MAKE HIS 5TH ROUND PICK!
 
Ok...so we can't get a link because.......
Well, for one, the draft's still going on. For another, it's a private league. For a third... what do you need a link for, anyway? :shrug:
 
I took Dayne in a performace scoring league recently. Got him at 6.03...
I deliberately let him fall in a survivor last night to see where he would go (I've been taking him in the 5th or 6th if he was available). He went at 6.11. Unless reports out of Denver change, he'll be a 4th rounder in early August, and I won't be surprised to see him gone by the 3rd in late August. He's very undervalued at the moment, given what we know.
 
Ok...so we can't get a link because.......
Well, for one, the draft's still going on. For another, it's a private league. For a third... what do you need a link for, anyway? :shrug:
:bitemytongue:*sigh*
Glad that league was private.....for those of you who were interested in seeing this draft:Draft where Dayne went 3.06

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Scroll down, the draft is midway down the thread.

 
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