Which HC job would you want? (1 Viewer)

[simsarge]

Two questions:

I've heard a lot of bashing of the Arizona ownership, but never seem to see them in the news, ala Dallas & Oakland. Who is it and why the bad rap?

And, although the Steelers seem poised to be right back in the thick of things (if you make sure Big Ben buys and drives a Volvo Wagon instead of a Soft Tail), it seems that Cowhers two best assistants might be primed for other jobs (assuming one isn't the Steelers) Would this effect their short term appeal?

 

[Godsbrother]

Just off the top of my head I can remember players like Chris Hope, Antwaan Randal-El, Kendrell Bell, Plaxico, and Kendrick Clancy all being let go via free agency. As a coach losing the above named players would be very frustrating to say the least.

The Steelers coaching staff were down on Hope and made the decision they did not want him back. Randel-El was overpaid, not even the Chicago Bears who really had the hots for El would have paid him that contract. Kendrell Bell could never stay healthy and the Steelers replaced him with another FA James Farrior who has been MUCH better than Bell.Plaxico Burress didn't want to return to the Steelers and the feelings were mutual because he was such a head case. When Burress became a FA only one team, the Giants, bid for his services.Kendrick Clancy -- are you kidding me????

 

[Godsbrother]

Two questions:I've heard a lot of bashing of the Arizona ownership, but never seem to see them in the news, ala Dallas & Oakland. Who is it and why the bad rap?And, although the Steelers seem poised to be right back in the thick of things (if you make sure Big Ben buys and drives a Volvo Wagon instead of a Soft Tail), it seems that Cowhers two best assistants might be primed for other jobs (assuming one isn't the Steelers) Would this effect their short term appeal?

With all due respects to Whisenhunt and Grimm, **** LeBeau is the Steelers best assistant. If I am the Steelers I am making sure that whomever I select is going to retain LeBeau.

 

[CrossEyed]

Pittsburgh is the best situation. But it is tough to follow a legend, as many coaches have found out. You are constantly being compared unfavorably with your predecessor.

I would have to disagree. Pittsburgh has alot of drawbacks. First you follow a legend so if you struggle in your first year you would constantly be hounded by the media, second you never get free agents and any good players that you draft end up leaving 4-5 years later via free agency. Lastly add in the fact that you have to face the Bengals, and Ravens 4x in one year and this just does not seem like the most appealing job.

Yeah, and who would want to work for an organization that is always competitive on the field and so stable they've only had 2 head coaches since 1969?

The past isn't necessarily a predictor of future success, however past legends in Pittsburgh (and comparisions to them) will never die.

Cowher followed Noll. Didn't seem to hurt him too much.

For every one you name, there are handful that failed. Besides...who's the best....Cowher or Noll?

For every one I name? I named the only 2 coached they've had in the past 38 years. As for who was the best, Noll won 4 SBs in 6 years. But nobody actually expects that to happen again.

 

[Gr00vus]

I said Cardinals. They've been the Clippers of the NFL, they're the biggest challenge even though they're in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. You get to write your own legacy there. Plus they have good pieces to the puzzle already in place. Ugly city though.

Next would be Atlanta for similar reasons, but the whole owner telling you what you can and can't do with Vick is a problem.

Next would be the Raiders. It's a challenge but their D and special teams are actually pretty good. You bring in some offensive linemen and someone to coach them, you're back in black and shocking the world.

Then Miami. Not as much of a challenge though the defense is starting to get old. They should have been contenders this year, I think they got a break with Saban leaving, especially if Mularky goes too.

Then Pittsburgh. No challenge, lots of tradition and expecations, roster's in pretty good shape, good ownership - but the climate sucks!

 

[Marc Levin]

I took Oakland. First reason, well I am a bit biased. Second reason, it's easy to improve from where they stand today.

Third reason? No expectation for success in the next three years.[sorry, just too easy]

 

[Evilgrin 72]

LOL at 30% choosing AZ. I guess a long career isn't a priority.

 

[Godsbrother]

I said Cardinals. They've been the Clippers of the NFL, they're the biggest challenge even though they're in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. You get to write your own legacy there. Plus they have good pieces to the puzzle already in place. Ugly city though.Next would be Atlanta for similar reasons, but the whole owner telling you what you can and can't do with Vick is a problem.Next would be the Raiders. It's a challenge but their D and special teams are actually pretty good. You bring in some offensive linemen and someone to coach them, you're back in black and shocking the world.Then Miami. Not as much of a challenge though the defense is starting to get old. They should have been contenders this year, I think they got a break with Saban leaving, especially if Mularky goes too.Then Pittsburgh. No challenge, lots of tradition and expecations, roster's in pretty good shape, good ownership - but the climate sucks!

64 degrees today.

 

[Godsbrother]

LOL at 30% choosing AZ. I guess a long career isn't a priority.

A lot of people are chossing Arizona because of low expectations. I guess none of these hot shot new head coaches have much confidence in themsleves.

 

[fsufan]

why would anyone vote for Oakland

 

[Evilgrin 72]

LOL at 30% choosing AZ. I guess a long career isn't a priority.

A lot of people are chossing Arizona because of low expectations. I guess none of these hot shot new head coaches have much confidence in themsleves.

Arizona is career suicide.

 

[nightshift]

That's easy, GB.Which organization has had the best success with coaching, especially head coaches?Pittsburgh.Which organization has produced the most wins, including Super Bowl?Pittsburgh.Which organization builds upon it foundation, built by blue collar everyday guys who become legends, not to shadow, but serve as an example of what can be accomplished through dedication & hard work (thank you Coach Noll)?Pittsburgh.For all you coach potatoes worried about players, etc. - you don't work for them, you work for the organization. Work for winners, you can become a winner.On that note, you wanna know which coach will be the most successful of the ones hired in 2007?The guy in Pittsburgh!

Sig bet that says Arizona, Oakland, Atlanta, or Miami will have a better record then your beloved Steelers. You in?

Staying with the topic, Sig bet that the coaches hired in Arizona, Oakland, Atlanta, or Miami will not last as long the one hired in Pittsburgh. You in?

 

[Tecumseh]

Despite living here, I am not a Falcons fan.

With that said, that is the job I wold take.

An owner willing to spend to win.

A destination of choice for free agents.

An accomplished, respected, and talented GM.

One of the most dynamic players in the league.

A strong o-line, 3/5's of which is locked in to long term deals.

A developing young secondary.

No year-after-year division powerhouse.

NFC=Easier to make the playoffs

Excellent running game.

2nd choice would be Pissburgh. The loyalty of the ownership should give me enough time to wreck the franchise for years to come.

"One-a-days, Coach?"



"Two-a-days, Coach?"



"Three-a-days, Coach?!?"



" Not four-a-days!"

" ...in full pads. By the way, we just traded Willie, Troy, and Hines to Cleveland for the rights to Bernie Kosar and a gallon of river water."

 

[Mr. Peterson]

They way that I would look at it is with the Steelers job you don't have too much room to go up. The franchise has such a winning tradition that you almost don't have anywhere to go but down.

On the other hand you have nowhere to go but up with the Cards and Raiders franchise. If you lose it won't look as bad as if you lose with the Steelers. I would rather take a franchise and build them up and that way I'll be a bigger part of the reason they turn it around and become great.

 

[Gr00vus]

I said Cardinals. They've been the Clippers of the NFL, they're the biggest challenge even though they're in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. You get to write your own legacy there. Plus they have good pieces to the puzzle already in place. Ugly city though.Next would be Atlanta for similar reasons, but the whole owner telling you what you can and can't do with Vick is a problem.Next would be the Raiders. It's a challenge but their D and special teams are actually pretty good. You bring in some offensive linemen and someone to coach them, you're back in black and shocking the world.Then Miami. Not as much of a challenge though the defense is starting to get old. They should have been contenders this year, I think they got a break with Saban leaving, especially if Mularky goes too.Then Pittsburgh. No challenge, lots of tradition and expecations, roster's in pretty good shape, good ownership - but the climate sucks!

64 degrees today.

You should start a "proof of global warming thread" in the FFA.

 

[Gr00vus]

LOL at 30% choosing AZ. I guess a long career isn't a priority.

A lot of people are chossing Arizona because of low expectations. I guess none of these hot shot new head coaches have much confidence in themsleves.

I look at it the opposite way - I think coaching a winner in Arizona is the biggest challenge and is why I'd choose it first. Well that and I like watching Fitz play football.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Pittsburgh is the best situation. But it is tough to follow a legend, as many coaches have found out. You are constantly being compared unfavorably with your predecessor.

I would have to disagree. Pittsburgh has alot of drawbacks. First you follow a legend so if you struggle in your first year you would constantly be hounded by the media, second you never get free agents and any good players that you draft end up leaving 4-5 years later via free agency. Lastly add in the fact that you have to face the Bengals, and Ravens 4x in one year and this just does not seem like the most appealing job.

This is a myth. For the most part the players the Steelers let go via free agency don't have much left and I can only think of two that made the Pro Bowl: Rod Woodson and Chad Brown.

Hardy Nickerson did ok for himself as well.

 

[JBTV]

I'll take Miami, not only for homer purposes, but for the following:

Ownership willing to spend the money for a winner.

Enough talent that with a few tweaks you can turn it around quickly.

Good tradition, but not so much that you have impossible expectations to fill.

Good fan base starving for a winner...instant folk hero status if you turn the team into a contender.

Have you ever been to south beach?

A couple negatives on the other jobs, imho:

Pittsburgh - Fans expectations maybe too high? Any season without a SB is a failure, which is pretty unreasonable.

Oakland - Going to get paid nothing, for a terrible owner who has a quick trigger finger to fire you, with a really bad team.

Arizona - Terrible loser mentality through the whole organization. Closest to career suicide, although you'd get some good golf in.

Atlanta - Vick doesn't seem like the type of guy I want to hitch my wagon to. And I'd be transfixed by Blank's mustache, unable to spit out coherent sentences.

 

[PMENFAN]

Pittsburgh is the best situation. But it is tough to follow a legend, as many coaches have found out. You are constantly being compared unfavorably with your predecessor.

I would have to disagree. Pittsburgh has alot of drawbacks. First you follow a legend so if you struggle in your first year you would constantly be hounded by the media, second you never get free agents and any good players that you draft end up leaving 4-5 years later via free agency. Lastly add in the fact that you have to face the Bengals, and Ravens 4x in one year and this just does not seem like the most appealing job.

This is a myth. For the most part the players the Steelers let go via free agency don't have much left and I can only think of two that made the Pro Bowl: Rod Woodson and Chad Brown.

Hardy Nickerson did ok for himself as well.

Kevin Green had a little gas in the tank when he left too. Anyhow, I think Pitt is the best job on the board. They're a greatly run franchise, without knee jerk reactions, with the long run always on the mind. What more could you ask for. And the night life, and things to do in Pittsburgh? Okay, that's out. But, that's not generally what coaches are after.

MIami would be second. They have their problems, but I love the skill positions on offense. Their line needs some work, a lot of it. Defense needs a revamping, but you're walking in knowing that.

AZ-It's a desert.

Oakland. You walk in knowing the situation.

Atlanta-If the rumours of the owners saying Vick has to stay at QB are true, they cannot win.

 

[switz]

Not really. It just amazes me that some people don't know how to spell major cities, states, presidents, etc.

well that's your problem right there - you think it's a major city

 

[nightshift]

Not really. It just amazes me that some people don't know how to spell major cities, states, presidents, etc.

well that's your problem right there - you think it's a major city

Oh it is. People who go on past, oh I don't know, sixth grade, learn about such things as cities. You should try real hard and read a book... possibly one on g-e-o-g-r-a-p-h-y. Sound it out, the librarian (person who works in a library. Place with books not in a mall) will be glad to help challenged guys like you!

 

[BassNBrew]

Pittsburgh is the best situation. But it is tough to follow a legend, as many coaches have found out. You are constantly being compared unfavorably with your predecessor.

I would have to disagree. Pittsburgh has alot of drawbacks. First you follow a legend so if you struggle in your first year you would constantly be hounded by the media, second you never get free agents and any good players that you draft end up leaving 4-5 years later via free agency. Lastly add in the fact that you have to face the Bengals, and Ravens 4x in one year and this just does not seem like the most appealing job.

Yeah, and who would want to work for an organization that is always competitive on the field and so stable they've only had 2 head coaches since 1969?

The past isn't necessarily a predictor of future success, however past legends in Pittsburgh (and comparisions to them) will never die.

Cowher followed Noll. Didn't seem to hurt him too much.

For every one you name, there are handful that failed. Besides...who's the best....Cowher or Noll?

For every one I name? I named the only 2 coached they've had in the past 38 years. As for who was the best, Noll won 4 SBs in 6 years. But nobody actually expects that to happen again.

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

 

[Ben Stiller]

Pittsburgh is the best situation. But it is tough to follow a legend, as many coaches have found out. You are constantly being compared unfavorably with your predecessor.

I would have to disagree. Pittsburgh has alot of drawbacks. First you follow a legend so if you struggle in your first year you would constantly be hounded by the media, second you never get free agents and any good players that you draft end up leaving 4-5 years later via free agency. Lastly add in the fact that you have to face the Bengals, and Ravens 4x in one year and this just does not seem like the most appealing job.

Yeah, and who would want to work for an organization that is always competitive on the field and so stable they've only had 2 head coaches since 1969?

The past isn't necessarily a predictor of future success, however past legends in Pittsburgh (and comparisions to them) will never die.

Cowher followed Noll. Didn't seem to hurt him too much.

For every one you name, there are handful that failed. Besides...who's the best....Cowher or Noll?

For every one I name? I named the only 2 coached they've had in the past 38 years. As for who was the best, Noll won 4 SBs in 6 years. But nobody actually expects that to happen again.

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

Better tell that to Bill Parcells.

 

[Godsbrother]

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

I doubt that many head coaching prospects worry about where they will rank against their predecessors. They want to go to a stable organization where they feel they can succeed. I think that would put Pittsburgh and Miami at the top.

 

[BassNBrew]

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

I doubt that many head coaching prospects worry about where they will rank against their predecessors. They want to go to a stable organization where they feel they can succeed. I think that would put Pittsburgh and Miami at the top.

Now I didn't group Pitt with Oakland and Arizona. I just think that Atlanta is the best location to succeed. Pitt would be second on my list. I'm not up on my Steeler history, but didn't Cowher have one Super Bowl win in 15 years? That's just slightly above average results in my book. What's wrong with that picture??? Inferior coach who couldn't close things out or a less than elite ownership that didn't give him the tools to close things out? I believe there was a time when the fans wanted Cowher fired. I think the rope for the next coach will be shorter in that instance.

 

[Godsbrother]

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

I doubt that many head coaching prospects worry about where they will rank against their predecessors. They want to go to a stable organization where they feel they can succeed. I think that would put Pittsburgh and Miami at the top.

Now I didn't group Pitt with Oakland and Arizona. I just think that Atlanta is the best location to succeed. Pitt would be second on my list. I'm not up on my Steeler history, but didn't Cowher have one Super Bowl win in 15 years? That's just slightly above average results in my book. What's wrong with that picture??? Inferior coach who couldn't close things out or a less than elite ownership that didn't give him the tools to close things out? I believe there was a time when the fans wanted Cowher fired. I think the rope for the next coach will be shorter in that instance.

If you only go by SB wins then 1 in 15 years isn't all that spectacular but there are a lot of teams that haven't even been to a SB in the last 15 years let alone win one. I think the best indicator of how good of a coach Cowher was is that the Steelers had the best winning percentage in the NFL during his reign as head coach of the Steelers. That is pretty impressive.And you are correct that there were some fans calling for Cowher's head a few years ago but the Rooney's knew what they had and stuck by him. I think that speaks volumes about what kind of team they run and I guarantee you it will not go unnoticed by prospective head coaches.Will the next HC have a shorter leash? Well considering that Noll had 23 seasons and Cowher 15, I think that is a probability. Still, the guy who ultimately gets the HC job of the Steelers is in a pretty good position to succeed. If he doesn't, he probably doesn't deserve the long leash...

 

[pettifogger]

Pittsburg is the only team of the five listed without a pure egomaniac of an owner.

 

[PMENFAN]

So the late great Cowher was only the second best coach in Steeler history. Yeah...I really want to a job where even a kick ### performance will leave me labeled as the 3rd best in franchise history.As for the first part, that went completely over your head.

I doubt that many head coaching prospects worry about where they will rank against their predecessors. They want to go to a stable organization where they feel they can succeed. I think that would put Pittsburgh and Miami at the top.

Now I didn't group Pitt with Oakland and Arizona. I just think that Atlanta is the best location to succeed. Pitt would be second on my list. I'm not up on my Steeler history, but didn't Cowher have one Super Bowl win in 15 years? That's just slightly above average results in my book. What's wrong with that picture??? Inferior coach who couldn't close things out or a less than elite ownership that didn't give him the tools to close things out? I believe there was a time when the fans wanted Cowher fired. I think the rope for the next coach will be shorter in that instance.

If you only go by SB wins then 1 in 15 years isn't all that spectacular but there are a lot of teams that haven't even been to a SB in the last 15 years let alone win one. I think the best indicator of how good of a coach Cowher was is that the Steelers had the best winning percentage in the NFL during his reign as head coach of the Steelers. That is pretty impressive.And you are correct that there were some fans calling for Cowher's head a few years ago but the Rooney's knew what they had and stuck by him. I think that speaks volumes about what kind of team they run and I guarantee you it will not go unnoticed by prospective head coaches.Will the next HC have a shorter leash? Well considering that Noll had 23 seasons and Cowher 15, I think that is a probability. Still, the guy who ultimately gets the HC job of the Steelers is in a pretty good position to succeed. If he doesn't, he probably doesn't deserve the long leash...

Wouldn't once every 32 years be average; being that there are 32 teams? Just mathematically speaking? Over the last 22 years, we have just 14 coaches winning though. Belichick has 3, Shanny 2, Parcells 2, Walsh 3, Johnson 2, Gibbs 2, cowher, Gruden, Billick, Holmgren, Ditka, Seifert, Switzer and Martz I think Cowher was great as a coach. His lack of winning was simply coming up against better teams in the years he got there. As for the shorter leash, I don't think he was in any danger of being fired, leading to the shorter tenure than Noll. He left willingly. It's a much higher stress job than when Noll had it. Frankly 15 years is unbelievable in this day an age. I'm no Steeler fan, but I respect the heck out of him, and what he accomplished.