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Which of the following issues is Biden's greatest failure to date? (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Gotta go with covid management. It's more or less the singular thing he was elected to take care of.
TripItUp
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
He was elected because he was not Trump.
Tough call between covid and crime. Since he is proclaimed the great uniter and our streets are not safer, I vote crime.
It's COVID, beyond a doubt. Many of the items listed have nothing to do with POTUS. Afghanistan was handled poorly, but withdrawing was the right thing to do. The administration has handled COVID poorly. They were unprepared for both Delta and Omicron, and turned down opportunities within the administration's purview to become prepared.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think its immigration. There's only so much one can do after they lead the horse to water which is basically where we're at with covid. And i agree most of the rest have very little to do with the president.
Voted pandemic, but my biggest gripe with his presidency is more abstract. I didn't vote in 2020, but I was happy to see Biden win if only because I saw it as a chance to do things differently.
I would have considered it a success if he was simply slightly more competent, slightly less chaotic, slightly less authoritarian, and slightly less divisive than the former guy.
In my opinion, he has not succeeded by any of these measures.
I would have considered it a success if he was simply slightly more competent, slightly less chaotic, slightly less authoritarian, and slightly less divisive than the former guy.
In my opinion, he has not succeeded by any of these measures.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I was looking for that one as well.
When your first priority is getting rainbow flags flying over our embassies there are just too many and reality is his worst screw ups haven’t probably happened yet. So unfit for the job.
Kamala as VP has to be there? Maybe an identity politics category?
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Do I put the "hasn't failed at anything " vote under 'other' ?
FairWarning
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
That should be an option.Do I put the "hasn't failed at anything " vote under 'other' ?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Afghanistan. I never thought I would see something so incompetent and disgraceful in my lifetime. (Technically I was alive for the famous shot of helicopters evacuating Americans out of Saigon, but I was too young for that to count.)
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Actual answer was immigration. A good part of my reasoning is that some on the list I don't put all on the POTUS like inflation, elevated crime, covid, etc. Stuff at the border was 100% him, no plan, people still ending up in crap conditions, not testing people coming in, on and on.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
pandemic management - he promised to save us all and he's failed monumentally with those promises
he did exactly what he said on immigration - turn a blind eye and inflation just gets laughs from Psaki and Harris .... I don't think anyone expected him to be tough with Russia .... Afghanistan is a close second to failure
he did exactly what he said on immigration - turn a blind eye and inflation just gets laughs from Psaki and Harris .... I don't think anyone expected him to be tough with Russia .... Afghanistan is a close second to failure
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Tough to single out one. I guess has to be the handling of COVID because of all the deaths. Biden ran his campaign on "Protecting America from the virus" That was stupid to begin with but it worked.
Crime, murders, inflation impact peoples everyday live as well so that is a day to day failure. The border with no plan in place was a disaster. The Marines killed, and Americans still stranded in the botched Afghan withdrawal.
In my life I have never been concerned about a huge war. Now I am.
Bidens first year was terrible and his approval ratings reflect that. Hopefully things improve.
Crime, murders, inflation impact peoples everyday live as well so that is a day to day failure. The border with no plan in place was a disaster. The Marines killed, and Americans still stranded in the botched Afghan withdrawal.
In my life I have never been concerned about a huge war. Now I am.
Bidens first year was terrible and his approval ratings reflect that. Hopefully things improve.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Feels like a few from the right side of the aisle are saying that the covid response is the biggest failure. I find this interesting, b/c on one hand stuff that happened in 2021 are what people were fighting about and wanted in 2020 - vaccine, things opening back up and getting back to normal, kids back in school, etc..
What specifically did people on the right want Biden to do with covid that they would have given him a passing grade on? Is this mostly just the dumb #### he's said about it?
What specifically did people on the right want Biden to do with covid that they would have given him a passing grade on? Is this mostly just the dumb #### he's said about it?
TripItUp
Footballguy
Do I put the "hasn't failed at anything " vote under 'other' ?
I didn't want to undermine the credibility of the poll with that option.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
As we have seen all over the globe there is very little anyone can do about a virus. But most of Bidens campaign rhetoric was about protecting America from the virus. It is impossible but it got him elected. So I am not judging Biden on COVID but his words have come back to haunt him.
There are many other things that went wrong his first year but COVID was going to spread no matter what.
supermike80
Footballguy
That's a big part of it for me. The former prez got wrecked for his handling of covid, sometimes that was justified, but many times not. Biden comes out and says 200,000 deaths were his fault. So the old man comes in and promises, multiple times that he would "end this" and he hasn't. At all. Not even a little bit. So yeah I'd call that a failure since he was so adamant about fixing it.
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GordonGekko
Footballguy
For every elected official in the Democratic Party?
Biden's constant large scale catastrophic failures and scandals takes always all incentive and natural pathway for the average American citizen to be a low information voter.
The more incentive based on self interest that exists to become a high information voter, that only bolsters the overall Conservative base.
When people see the Southern Border turning into a swinging gate, then they have every incentive to look deeper into what is actually happening there. The activist complicit left leaning MSM and Big Social Media can only hold together a cooked coordinated narrative for only so long. Same thing with Afghanistan, lawlessness in Big Blue Cities, problems with not getting children back into schools, vaccine mandates, the economy, etc, etc.
The failures are reaching the everyday citizen right in their face. At the grocery store, at the gas pump, on their streets, in their schools, in their workplaces.
Do you know what the radical woke zealots sound like in here in the PSF and out there in the world? They sound like cancel culture acolytes that will push for public policy that ignores functional pragmatism and will likely get everyone's children lined up against a wall.
Anyone who pushes for identity politics is openly begging for America's children to be cannon fodder. No one's partisan political beliefs will overcome their love for their children and their desire to keep their children safe and their hope for their children to inherit a world with some kind of real future possible. We have reached a saturation point with wokeness. You can't keep driving a media narrative that doesn't line up with what average Americans are seeing with their own two eyes every single day.
In actual media optics, shock marketing built upon cascading outrage is a tool in the box. It is however not designed to be the ONLY tool in the box. You can't just keep writing off each massive failure as some root cause towards racism, bigotry or identity politics. You can't blame the 19 million women and little girls getting gang raped in Afghanistan as war brides along with babies thrown into razor wire and billions of our tax dollars spent to arm terrorists on white supremacy.
The more people seek to become informed and done so in a well rounded manner, the more I believe many people will come to embrace Conservatism. ( I didn't say become a Republican, I said Conservatism) I don't expect the fringe woke radical left to convert, but my take is many independents, moderates and undecideds will choose the path that will keep their children safe, fed and alive over watching their children one day lined up against a wall for failing a purity test.
The radical left is reliant on a large subsection of the masses to stay uninformed. That only works if there is consistent abundance. People are prone not to care if they can pass through their day to day lives without interruption.
This is the price of leaving this country's day to day operations in the hands of Susan Rice. Her claim to fame is enabling genocide. Why should it be a surprise that her incompetence is now threatening America's children.
Sand
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I voted for Biden. Don't know that I regret it, but for the second election in a row I regret the position I was put in as Trump had to go, but Biden was a poor 2nd option. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 as I couldn't stomach either of Trump or Hillary.
That said, I think the handling of the COVID pandemic has been a humongous clusterfork. For a year we heard about how badly Trump was doing and how much better Biden would do. What it comes down to is that all he does is talk. He had no plan, no measurable goals, no procedures or structure changes, just a few speeches where he encouraged people to get vaccinated and condemned those who didn't. At least Trump gave us Operation Warp Speed.
Afghanistan was a debacle and should have been handled better, but it has been a no-win scenario over there for decades and the whole thing has very little impact on the vast majority of Americans.
I'm so sick of our national politics but my pastor said it best in a sermon two weeks ago, "We get the leaders we deserve." America is a sick place filled with selfishness and greed. Not 100%, but on average our society is incredibly self-centered and care vastly more about personal accumulation of wealth than the well being of our fellow humans. Not sure how anyone is expected to appeal to that, get elected and do any meaningful good for society. The pandemic didn't change our trajectory as much as accelerated it.
That said, I think the handling of the COVID pandemic has been a humongous clusterfork. For a year we heard about how badly Trump was doing and how much better Biden would do. What it comes down to is that all he does is talk. He had no plan, no measurable goals, no procedures or structure changes, just a few speeches where he encouraged people to get vaccinated and condemned those who didn't. At least Trump gave us Operation Warp Speed.
Afghanistan was a debacle and should have been handled better, but it has been a no-win scenario over there for decades and the whole thing has very little impact on the vast majority of Americans.
I'm so sick of our national politics but my pastor said it best in a sermon two weeks ago, "We get the leaders we deserve." America is a sick place filled with selfishness and greed. Not 100%, but on average our society is incredibly self-centered and care vastly more about personal accumulation of wealth than the well being of our fellow humans. Not sure how anyone is expected to appeal to that, get elected and do any meaningful good for society. The pandemic didn't change our trajectory as much as accelerated it.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I said Immigration. If he did nothing, it would be better than what it is now. Instead he changed what was working and screwed it up royally.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Did you miss the covid thread? He dropped the ball on rapid testing availability. He dropped the ball on alternative therapeutics/treatments. Vaccine mandates were an awful decision. He put all his eggs in a vaccine basket and when that didn't work he had no plan B. Even with all that, it's not his biggest failure, and that speaks volumes for how awful a job he's done in his first year.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
No, I haven't read every post. Mostly when I see people from the right complaining about him, it's about what he said vs specific actions. that's why I was asking again.
I agree on the testing part. Could you please expand on your thoughts on the bolded?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
its more about Biden promising to end covid, get back to normal, very very low chance to get covid if you have the shot, the lie on mandates and then of course the " anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America " quote when Biden is now staring at what, 450,000 more deaths than when Trump left office ?
Biden promised it all - to get votes, to make people feel good - it was all lies and thus, failures
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The FDA stopped the emergency use for monclonal antibodies (as an FU to Florida I suspect) and they have advised people not to use ivermetcin (instead of advising to seek a doctors opinion on the use of ivermetcin). I'm not up on all my therapeutics, but there are certainly other drugs (I think remdesivir was one) that showed promise in the treatment of COVID. The FDA should review the safety and efficacy of a drug formulation and then monitor the production of those drugs to ensure that the batches are not tainted. The actual medical treatments and usage should be left up to the treating doctor with the consent of the patient. Every single drug liability case I've worked on doctors have used the drugs for "off-label" uses. So I think the Biden administration should have pumped money into rapid tests. They should have pumped money into alternative therapeutic testing to see if some on the market drug was effective in preventing or treating COVID. Oftentimes you find what you're looking for by mistake.
The Commish
Footballguy
In practical terms, absolutely. "He said he'd fix it and he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!" also "Gubment can't make me do nuttin'!!!!!!!!!!"
It's lazy and transparent. I mean, we all know what would be said if he forced people to get the vaccine, right? That's not even an option by law in this country.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The bolded portion also indicates that the person believed what he said. Example of the "he said he would end covid!" type posts. Seems weird to say it was a failure to do so, unless you believed ending covid was possible and you believed Biden when he said the would end it.
The Commish
Footballguy
They stopped emergency use for two types, both of which don't work against the dominant strain of COVID plaguing the country. I am unaware of the FDA doing this specifically at his request, but if they did, that is an example of making the CORRECT call, not the wrong one. The third type is still allowed, but really hard to find (as the vendor why that is).
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Which is my problem with the FDA in this case. They are to review the safety and efficacy of drugs (and do post monitoring of manufacturing facilities to ensure no contamination of drug batches). The treatment program should be left to the doctor and patient.
After the sermon did you ask him who he voted for? Everyone talks the talk but very few walk the walk.
The Commish
Footballguy
Not following at all...You seemed up in arms that EUA was removed from ineffective drugs. Isn't that doing exactly what you're saying they should do in the bold? They really didn't have to either...the actual manufacturers tell us they don't work. It's a COLOSSAL waste of money for the government to keep paying for ineffective treatments and shipping them to states demanding them. Rather, spend that money getting versions of the treatment that actually work and are in short supply.
ETA: And please keep in mind, I think our FDA is a complete clown show and have for years.
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
No. Monoclonal antibodies have been approved for the treatment of other diseases. So their safety and efficacy has already been established to the point where they can be used clinically. It is now up to the treating doctor with consent of the patient whether this treatment should be used. As I said above, every single drug liability case I worked on the drugs were used for treatment of conditions that were not approved on the label (called off-label use). So if monoclonal antibodies have been deemed safe for use and they are effective for the use of any disease, then the FDA should not interfere with a doctor treating a patient with those antibodies for another course of treatment.
To your point waste point, the government wastes money every day.
pinkham13
Footballguy
I am with the poster upthread. Trump or Hillary or Biden or Bush what kind of choices are we really getting? I really hate voting because I know policy goes to the highest bidder no matter who gets in. I have no say in anything when companies write the legislation and bills get passed unread. I have voted on both sides of the aisle for President like a true independent. I have been disappointed every time.
The Commish
Footballguy
Ok then.
I really dont know what to do with any of that other than to suggest you find a different doctor if they are recommending treatments that dont work. Efficacy is notmally tied to a goal. It doesnt really matter if the efficacy for treating X has been established in treating for Y. Talking out both sides of your mouth it seems. Your last sentence isnt very appealing to a fiscal responsiblity kind of person like me. If people were paying the bil themselves, Id say do whatever you want.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
I value the opinions thus far. I think it gives decent insight too. For example, I didn't expect immigration to get so many votes.
dkp993
Footballguy
You knew exactly what you were doing with the framing of this question Trip, you did it with the cities one too. We have enough of that crap around here and you’re a better poster then that imo.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I sincerely wanted the perspective. I think these are the issues that Dems get attacked on in the midterms.
pinkham13
Footballguy
You have to admit he said change was coming to America. After Bush we were ready for it too. I bought it into it hook line and sinker. Who was the other choice Hilary? So here comes Obama surrounding himself with the same bankers Bush had on the payroll just like Trump who was supposed to drain the swamp. Now who we gonna get? It will be another uni-party approved, agenda 2030 advancer, for the world economic forum. That’s guaranteed.
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