Who Is Your #1 Dynasty WR? (1 Viewer)

[Zyphros]

I asked the OBJ owner if he would take AB for OBJ, he said he wouldn't due to the slight difference in age and if OBJ kept doing what he did his ceiling is higher. He did admit that it would likely be a "safer" option with AB though.

I've been trying to get OBJ for months but there's no way I'd give AB+ for him

 

[Madden Curse]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

 

[Pipes]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

 

[ghostguy123]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

I can certainly agree with this logic, as long as you are looking at more than just the box scores and know what you are looking at on the actual field.

Luck, AD, and Moss all LOOKED the part. You didnt even need to look at their stats to know you wanted them.

OBDJBD fits that mold

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

on a site like this i would not expect that to happen but it looks like it is.

i voted for julio. he should see a million targets this year.

 

[Madden Curse]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

 

[ldizzle]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

thats a bingo

 

[ghostguy123]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

Wasn't Moss drafted in the 20s?

Scouts are wrong sometimes. In this case, I can't even really call them wrong cause Watkins and Evans are fantastic also.

That and some years the scouts might rank the #1 and #3 WRs real close, some years they might rank them 2 rounds apart.

 

[ghostguy123]

Although, yeah, if someone wants to give me Julio/Dez/brown and more for him, well, sure. Thats an offer you cant refuse.

 

[Borden]

Picked OB Wan 3. It feels like a gross over hyped pick since he hasn't even played a full season but if he is the next Randy Moss (HoFer of your choice) your team is set for a long time.

this is what I don't get. There are guys that haven proven themselves over multiple seasons. But to rank obj #1 is absurd in my mind. If you had any Antonio or Dez, you would trade them straight up for obj right now? I wouldn't but that's just my opinion

That's fair but OBJ is 4 years younger than either of those two. I admitted that it feels like I'm buying into the hype too much but the extra four years of potential high level production is worth the risk of last season being the highest point of his career.

 

[FUBAR]

Picked OB Wan 3. It feels like a gross over hyped pick since he hasn't even played a full season but if he is the next Randy Moss (HoFer of your choice) your team is set for a long time.

this is what I don't get. There are guys that haven proven themselves over multiple seasons. But to rank obj #1 is absurd in my mind. If you had any Antonio or Dez, you would trade them straight up for obj right now? I wouldn't but that's just my opinion

I just acquired brown in one league where I'm the defending champ. If not for being in a good position to repeat (by no means a lock but as good a chance as anyone) I'd trade him for Beckham.

In another, I have OBJ and wouldn't trade him for any player but that's a salary cap league and he's cheap.

 

[Biabreakable]

Here are the career points per game in PPR for the top 25 WR:

Odell Beckham 24.46
Calvin Johnson 17.88
Julio Jones 17.69
Marvin Harrison 17.52
A.J. Green 17.11
Dez Bryant 16.79
Terrell Owens 16.39
Demaryius Thomas 16.36
Mike Evans 16.34
Andre Johnson 16.31
Randy Moss 15.81
Brandon Marshall 15.74
Larry Fitzgerald 15.64
Torry Holt 15.62
Antonio Brown 15.48
Anquan Boldin 15.12
Marques Colston 15.02
Alshon Jeffery 14.53
T.Y. Hilton 14.28
Kelvin Benjamin 14.24
Reggie Wayne 14.20
Roddy White 14.02
Jimmy Smith 14.00
Keenan Allen 13.89
Isaac Bruce 13.86

What Beckham did last season was as good as any of these WR best seasons over the 12 games that he played. The sample size is too small however to fairly compare what he did to the sustained performance of many of these players careers. The reason there are so many young players on this list is that WR tend to have some less than stellar seasons particularly later on in their careers. The better the WR the more likely they continue playing at a more advanced age.

Beckham scored 10 PPG more than Kelvin Benhamin did and Benjamin was still good enough to make this list.

All of these younger players will likely have their PPG values fall as they accumulate more games. Beckham at least for the time being has performed at a level that no other WR has been able to sustain.

Jerry Rice was not in my sample but I was curious so I calculated this for him which was 16.57 so he would be between Fitzgerald and Holt on this list.

 

[renesauz]

Went Julio Jones but could easily be talked into Brown, Bryant, or Green. I feel like Evans and Beckham are in the next tier but could easily jump into that first tier with a solid sophomore year. The top of the WR board has never been this deep before. I'm happy with any of these guys at WR1, and ecstatic if I have two.

 

[renesauz]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

The flaw in this argument is the fact that last year's WR crop looked like the deepest crop in decades before the draft, and then went out and proved it with dominance as a group in the season. Being called third best in that group shouldn't be damning since any of the top 4 or 5 would be 1st or 2nd in almost any other year

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

What? Most people had him ranked above Evans and Watkins. Didn't you?

 

[FUBAR]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

 

[Borden]

I think this would be fun to turn into a Biabreakable draft/elimination multi poll.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

so people think a player who has done it once and in his rookie year when others did not have film on him is going to have a better year then that with a healthy cruz and now vereen to take targets? on top of it have better years than dez, julio, green and brown? who have shown they can do it consistently and as people the league is prepared for every single game?

call me crazy but i think he does not even put up last years stats ever again. but people will take him as the #1 option at wr which is supposed to carry minimal risk with the risk he may never do what he did again over guys that have put up stud years multiple times. i also doubt he we see the insane amount of targets he did last year. he may of had a good year but his qb is still eli manning.

is he a wr1? absolutely

is he the #1 wr? absolutely not.

 

[Khy]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

Actually, he was considered a physical freak and that was the entire reason for his draft stock skyrocketing after mediocre college performance.

That said, I still like Brown more than him for now. Honestly, by less than a hairs width though. If Beckham comes out in Week 1 against Dallas and throws up 7 rec, 130 yards and a TD he's #1 and it's not particularly close. I mainly want to see that he can't be schemed out of a game now that teams have had months of time to watch his tape. I don't personally feel he can be, but I'm not a NFL Defensive Coordinator. So I'd like to see that before crowning him the unquestioned 1.01 startup player.

So for now my list looks like this

1. Brown

2. OBJ

3. Dez

4. Julio

5. Evans

I like Julio just as much as the next guy but I've never understood why people seem to ignore all the issues with his injuries and the Atlanta offense in general. Roddy is 100years old, Gonzo is gone, they have no running game and one of the worst OLines in the league. Yeah, the potential is there as it has been for the past 4 seasons. But he's 26 now and has yet to surpass 10 TDs in a season and he also hasn't completed a full season once to date. Couple that with all the other issues I just mentioned and I simply can't fathom putting him above Brown, OBJ & Dez.

As for AJ Green, Dalton is just terrible. On a better team Green is probably the unquestioned #1 here. But with Dalton and the rest of the mediocre Bengals team, he just scares me as putting him in the Top 5.

Evans, he dominated with nobody throwing him the ball. It's very possible after Winston comes on he finishes as the WR #1 this season. I could easily see him having 20 TDs this year.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Poll results like this make is clear that ODB should be sold for a king's ransom before the shine comes off. Someone who played a single season should never outrank young-ish guys like Dez, Julio, Brown, and Green who have succeeded over the course of many seasons and in situations that have often been challenging.

Disagree. I wouldn't have traded Andrew Luck for any QB after his first season and now he's the clear top dynasty QB. I think the same could be said for Adrian Peterson and Randy Moss after their rookie seasons as well. I'm not sure Odell will be the next Randy Moss just pointing out there have been recent cases of guys looking like dynasty studs after a small sample size and proving those owners correct.

A big difference is that all the guys you mentioned were considered to be consensus "generational talents" coming into the NFL. They were all drafted as such by NFL teams. Even in dynasty fantasy leagues, ODB wasn't considered the best or even second-best rookie WR coming into the season.

From my perspective, what typically happens in the league during rookie years is that a top prospect fumbles through his first year, or a less-hyped prospect seemingly comes out of nowhere and proves the talent evaluators wrong. I think both situations are reason for caution - there can be wild course corrections after a year or so. What is less typical are the guys you mentioned above - the true world-beating freaks who enter the league with high expectations and then immediately show everyone what they can do. Sure there were some expectations related to ODB, but he was never, ever considered to be a consensus world-beater or physical freak. Like I said, at best he was considered the WR3 in last year's class.

I really appreciate what ODB did last season, but he's a sell for me at the prices I have been seeing. People are offering Dez, Julio, AJ, or AB plus extra 1st rounders. I'd happily take that.

Actually, he was considered a physical freak and that was the entire reason for his draft stock skyrocketing after mediocre college performance.

That said, I still like Brown more than him for now. Honestly, by less than a hairs width though. If Beckham comes out in Week 1 against Dallas and throws up 7 rec, 130 yards and a TD he's #1 and it's not particularly close. I mainly want to see that he can't be schemed out of a game now that teams have had months of time to watch his tape. I don't personally feel he can be, but I'm not a NFL Defensive Coordinator. So I'd like to see that before crowning him the unquestioned 1.01 startup player.

So for now my list looks like this

1. Brown

2. OBJ

3. Dez

4. Julio

5. Evans

I like Julio just as much as the next guy but I've never understood why people seem to ignore all the issues with his injuries and the Atlanta offense in general. Roddy is 100years old, Gonzo is gone, they have no running game and one of the worst OLines in the league. Yeah, the potential is there as it has been for the past 4 seasons. But he's 26 now and has yet to surpass 10 TDs in a season and he also hasn't completed a full season once to date. Couple that with all the other issues I just mentioned and I simply can't fathom putting him above Brown, OBJ & Dez.

As for AJ Green, Dalton is just terrible. On a better team Green is probably the unquestioned #1 here. But with Dalton and the rest of the mediocre Bengals team, he just scares me as putting him in the Top 5.

Evans, he dominated with nobody throwing him the ball. It's very possible after Winston comes on he finishes as the WR #1 this season. I could easily see him having 20 TDs this year.

its not potential, his tds were down but 105/1593/6 with those situations you mentioned. seems those situations only helped him do better then he ever has.

 

[Khy]

so people think a player who has done it once and in his rookie year when others did not have film on him is going to have a better year then that with a healthy cruz and now vereen to take targets? on top of it have better years than dez, julio, green and brown? who have shown they can do it consistently and as people the league is prepared for every single game?

call me crazy but i think he does not even put up last years stats ever again. but people will take him as the #1 option at wr which is supposed to carry minimal risk with the risk he may never do what he did again over guys that have put up stud years multiple times. i also doubt he we see the insane amount of targets he did last year. he may of had a good year but his qb is still eli manning.

is he a wr1? absolutely

is he the #1 wr? absolutely not.

You're crazy. Your argument is awful and there's easy proof to it.

So just so we're clear Cruz and Vereen are going to take targets from him making him a worse option right? Even though it's been proven time and time again that having other talented targets around elite WRs actually boosts their stats?

1. Does Dez Bryant get downgraded because DeMarco Murray & Terrance Williams existed?

2. Did we downgrade Julio Jones because he had Gonzo and White on the same field?

3. Do we gowngrade AJ Green because of Tyler Eifert, Gio and Hill?

4. Do we downgrade Antonio Brown this year because of LeVeon Bell and Martavis Bryant?

5. Did we downgrade Demaryius Thomas because he had Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Eric Decker?

6. What about Jordy, is he downgraded because of Eddie Lacy and Randall Cobb?

So please, don't give this ridiculous argument. Good players around Elite talents help by taking pressure off the elite. If Cruz comes back to full strength, defenses can't just post bracket coverage on OBJ all game. They'll need to allow 1 on 1 coverage. And he proved last year not only can he beat a double team consistently, but he'll beat a 1 on 1 every single down. Cruz and Vereen only help OBJs chances at repeating, they don't limit them.

 

[FUBAR]

so people think a player who has done it once and in his rookie year when others did not have film on him is going to have a better year then that with a healthy cruz and now vereen to take targets? on top of it have better years than dez, julio, green and brown? who have shown they can do it consistently and as people the league is prepared for every single game?

call me crazy but i think he does not even put up last years stats ever again. but people will take him as the #1 option at wr which is supposed to carry minimal risk with the risk he may never do what he did again over guys that have put up stud years multiple times. i also doubt he we see the insane amount of targets he did last year. he may of had a good year but his qb is still eli manning.

is he a wr1? absolutely

is he the #1 wr? absolutely not.

he had the 18th most targets last year. With the 9th most receptions. 10th in yards, 4th in TDs. I'll agree completely that his high volume per game isn't likely to continue, but I suspect his 2016 season will be somewhere between his finish for the 2015 total season and his per game average.

 

[jurb26]

Some random thoughts on the candidates.

Odell Beckham Jr. (57 votes [26.27%]) - really shocked that OBJ is running with the lead here, at least by this margin. I'm cautious that he will really ever improve on his rookie numbers. Regardless, his talent is unquestionable.

Mike Evans (15 votes [6.91%]) - suffered a great deal in TB thanks to terrible QB play. My intuition says he has a higher ceiling than OBJ if he gets the proper supporting QB.... Winston pick up on line 1.

Dez Bryant (39 votes [17.97%]) - Dez finally had that beastly year his owners have been waiting for. Still it only netted him WR4. Proven talent like him is hard to ignore.

Julio Jones (42 votes [19.35%]) - will this guy ever stay healthy and put it together? Maybe the most intimidating talent in the NFL when his 100%. Unfortunately that's hardly ever.

A.J. Green (12 votes [5.53%]) - just 6 months ago not only was AJ the #1 WR, he was the top overall player in dynasty. Oh how quickly the tide has changed. 12 votes is shockingly low.

Demaryius Thomas (6 votes [2.76%]) - looks as though voters are seeing Thomas as system.... Eh... Manning dependent. Only 6 votes.

Antonio Brown (34 votes [15.67%]) - I guess maybe I'm in the minority by thinking maybe Brown is the most system dependent player up here. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome. Still, playing with Ben has afforded him a ton of big plays.

Calvin Johnson (10 votes [4.61%]) - the end is near for Megatron dominance. Age simply catches up. Still has a few dominant years in him, and probably some good ones as well. Young guns are firing faster, though.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

 

[Khy]

so people think a player who has done it once and in his rookie year when others did not have film on him is going to have a better year then that with a healthy cruz and now vereen to take targets? on top of it have better years than dez, julio, green and brown? who have shown they can do it consistently and as people the league is prepared for every single game?

call me crazy but i think he does not even put up last years stats ever again. but people will take him as the #1 option at wr which is supposed to carry minimal risk with the risk he may never do what he did again over guys that have put up stud years multiple times. i also doubt he we see the insane amount of targets he did last year. he may of had a good year but his qb is still eli manning.

is he a wr1? absolutely

is he the #1 wr? absolutely not.

he had the 18th most targets last year. With the 9th most receptions. 10th in yards, 4th in TDs. I'll agree completely that his high volume per game isn't likely to continue, but I suspect his 2016 season will be somewhere between his finish for the 2015 total season and his per game average.

This exactly, he caught 70% of the passes thrown his way, which was good for 5th of WRs with 100+ targets. That said, I'd expect that number to likely increase slightly this year as he did that with nothing next to him. If Cruz can come back to even 90% of his former self he'll draw some coverage off OBJ. Last season he was pretty much the lone guy out there and had a lot of balls where Eli just tossed it into double or triple coverage and let him make a play on the ball. Obviously, Beckham dominated in that regard. But still, lower the amount of routes he's double covered on by say... 15-20%? I think it's fair to say you'd be able to increase his catch success percentage by a few points. He averaged about 10.8 targets a game, extrapolated to a full season we're at around 175ish. By comparison Brown had 181 targets and DT had 184. I'd say 170 targets is a fairly good guess for OBJ. Eli threw 601 passes last season. Say he regresses to 550 like his career average, that still leaves 380 targets to go around to Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Vereen and Jennings.

I'd guess the Giants targets look something like

Beckham - 170

Cruz - 110

Donnell - 80

Randle - 60

Vereen - 55

Jennings - 30

Others - 35 to 75.

 

[SWC]

i htink you have to go calvin megatron johnson until he stinks for a year otherwise he is the man and to be the man you have to beat the man and i just do not see anyone beating him except maybe nintendo donkeykong suh because he is a huge punk who should probably be suspended longer than greg harty for behavior detrimental to mankind take that to the bank brohans

 

[Khy]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

No he wasn't... I literally had no idea where you're getting this. Waldman had him #2 at the position behind Watkins on his pre-draft RSP last year. And a lot of articles after and before the draft had people saying they wouldn't be surprised if Beckham ended up having the most successful career of the class. I'm not saying just random people on these forums but professionals in the industry were all enamored with his physical skills before he ever touched the field.

 

[Khy]

i htink you have to go calvin megatron johnson until he stinks for a year otherwise he is the man and to be the man you have to beat the man and i just do not see anyone beating him except maybe nintendo donkeykong suh because he is a huge punk who should probably be suspended longer than greg harty for behavior detrimental to mankind take that to the bank brohans

This was hardly even English... as for Calvin sucking for a year, he finished as the WR15 last year. Sure, he missed 3 games but even on the PPG metric he finished 9th or 10th depending on your scoring.

 

[Run It Up]

i htink you have to go calvin megatron johnson until he stinks for a year otherwise he is the man and to be the man you have to beat the man and i just do not see anyone beating him except maybe nintendo donkeykong suh because he is a huge punk who should probably be suspended longer than greg harty for behavior detrimental to mankind take that to the bank brohans

This was hardly even English... as for Calvin sucking for a year, he finished as the WR15 last year. Sure, he missed 3 games but even on the PPG metric he finished 9th or 10th depending on your scoring.

He was rarely healthy last year. I think hes on the backslope of his career, but hes still a monster.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

i htink you have to go calvin megatron johnson until he stinks for a year otherwise he is the man and to be the man you have to beat the man and i just do not see anyone beating him except maybe nintendo donkeykong suh because he is a huge punk who should probably be suspended longer than greg harty for behavior detrimental to mankind take that to the bank brohans

This was hardly even English... as for Calvin sucking for a year, he finished as the WR15 last year. Sure, he missed 3 games but even on the PPG metric he finished 9th or 10th depending on your scoring.

a blind man can see he was pretty banged up all year long from that knee injury, it happens. do you think if he is healthy this year that he will be wr15?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

No he wasn't... I literally had no idea where you're getting this. Waldman had him #2 at the position behind Watkins on his pre-draft RSP last year. And a lot of articles after and before the draft had people saying they wouldn't be surprised if Beckham ended up having the most successful career of the class. I'm not saying just random people on these forums but professionals in the industry were all enamored with his physical skills before he ever touched the field.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47264/69/post-draft-dynasty-ranks---wr

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/19/rookie-dynasty-mock-offense-only/

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47177/69/silva-dynasty-rookie-rankings?pg=2

that took a google search and 5 minutes. so there's plenty more out there

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If I had to bet on one WR to finish #1 this year I'd go with Calvin. If I had to pick one WR to finish #1 cumulatively for the next three years, it would probably stil be Calvin. After those three years, Mike Evans will be 24 and OBJ will be 25. The other current top tier guys will mostly still be shy of 30. I agree with the thought that many people tend to over value youth, but it does have to factor in somewhere.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

OBJ was a consensus 1st round prospect and was taken 12th overall by a franchise that has a pretty strong track record. Of course no one predicts ANY rookie WR to do what he did right out of the box, but he didn't come out of nowhere at all. For coming out of nowhere, see the guy across the field from him.

 

[Pipes]

I don't care where Beckham was ranked it last years class or where he was drafted...doesn't matter. Yes he doesn't have a lengthy track record but his points per game (3/4 of a season) was amazing. Do I expect him to repeat it? Probably not...but he doesn't have to. He missed a quarter of the season so if he stays healthy for the entire season and his numbers take a 25% dip he's essentially at where he was last year...91, 1305 and 12....Excellent numbers.

What I do know is that Beckham passes the eyeball test. Dude's fast, a freak athlete and maybe has the best ball skills ever for a wide receiver. Certainly up there with guys like Chris Carter...only Beckham is a much better athlete. Plenty of other guys like Brown, Jones and Dez also have special abilities as well but I'll take youth with a talent like Beckham. To all those who want to see another solid year before putting him first, you think his price is high now? Just wait to see how high it is if he blows up again this year?

With that being said I'm not trying to acquire Beckham since his price is already pretty high. I certainly wouldn't give up Brown or Jones plus something for him. On the flip side I'm not selling Beckham either straight up for any of those guys either. Nothing worse than watching a potential transcendent talent, that you previously owned, blow up for the next 10 or so years. I get selling high but to me that's for guys like Jamal Charles...still a stud but has been in the league for a few years. Unload guys while still at their peak but nearing their crest, in order to maximize their value. Odell is only scratching the surface and again I'm not expecting him to maintain his ppg pace of 2014.

 

[Freelove]

i htink you have to go calvin megatron johnson until he stinks for a year otherwise he is the man and to be the man you have to beat the man and i just do not see anyone beating him except maybe nintendo donkeykong suh because he is a huge punk who should probably be suspended longer than greg harty for behavior detrimental to mankind take that to the bank brohans

This was hardly even English... as for Calvin sucking for a year, he finished as the WR15 last year. Sure, he missed 3 games but even on the PPG metric he finished 9th or 10th depending on your scoring.

a blind man can see he was pretty banged up all year long from that knee injury, it happens. do you think if he is healthy this year that he will be wr15?

I don't.But I do think age and wear and tear have probably eliminated any separation he might have had from the elite-level pack a couple years ago.

And if one can accept that, don't those same risk factors justifiably place him nearer the back of that pack than the front.

If you think there's good reason to believe he's still got a year or two where he's got upside those other guys can't match, then I wouldn't quibble. I don't think that gap still exists, however.

 

[Khy]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

No he wasn't... I literally had no idea where you're getting this. Waldman had him #2 at the position behind Watkins on his pre-draft RSP last year. And a lot of articles after and before the draft had people saying they wouldn't be surprised if Beckham ended up having the most successful career of the class. I'm not saying just random people on these forums but professionals in the industry were all enamored with his physical skills before he ever touched the field.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47264/69/post-draft-dynasty-ranks---wr

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/19/rookie-dynasty-mock-offense-only/

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47177/69/silva-dynasty-rookie-rankings?pg=2

that took a google search and 5 minutes. so there's plenty more out there

I also fail to understand what this has to do with anything. He was a consensus Top 15 draft pick going into the draft last season in every mock and by every analyst. You act like he was a 6th round pick and did this in his rookie season. Just because Evans or Watkins were projected and taken over him doesn't mean they actually project better.

Tavon Austin was taken before DeAndre Hopkins in 2013. So last year were you asking why people were rating Hopkins so good and forgetting about Austin? Same goes for Keenan Allen.

Alshon Jeffery was taken after AJ Jenkins, so clearly going into 2013 you rated Jenkins as a better prospect right?

Oh here's a good one, Randall Cobb after his rookie year, would you have rated him above Johnathan Baldwin going into their 2012 sophomore year?

My point is, draft status matters for about 5 months after the draft and after that it means jack all. Once Week 1 kickoff happens all that matters is what you put out on the field. Your draft stock and what people thought of you means literally zero.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

No he wasn't... I literally had no idea where you're getting this. Waldman had him #2 at the position behind Watkins on his pre-draft RSP last year. And a lot of articles after and before the draft had people saying they wouldn't be surprised if Beckham ended up having the most successful career of the class. I'm not saying just random people on these forums but professionals in the industry were all enamored with his physical skills before he ever touched the field.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47264/69/post-draft-dynasty-ranks---wr

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/19/rookie-dynasty-mock-offense-only/

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47177/69/silva-dynasty-rookie-rankings?pg=2

that took a google search and 5 minutes. so there's plenty more out there

I also fail to understand what this has to do with anything. He was a consensus Top 15 draft pick going into the draft last season in every mock and by every analyst. You act like he was a 6th round pick and did this in his rookie season. Just because Evans or Watkins were projected and taken over him doesn't mean they actually project better.

Tavon Austin was taken before DeAndre Hopkins in 2013. So last year were you asking why people were rating Hopkins so good and forgetting about Austin? Same goes for Keenan Allen.

Alshon Jeffery was taken after AJ Jenkins, so clearly going into 2013 you rated Jenkins as a better prospect right?

Oh here's a good one, Randall Cobb after his rookie year, would you have rated him above Johnathan Baldwin going into their 2012 sophomore year?

My point is, draft status matters for about 5 months after the draft and after that it means jack all. Once Week 1 kickoff happens all that matters is what you put out on the field. Your draft stock and what people thought of you means literally zero.

clearly you fail to understand, as you're pointing to comparisons of players that literally have nothing to do with anything. I simply made a point that it's amusing how people are acting like they saw this coming. If you disagree, so be it

 

[Khy]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

No he wasn't... I literally had no idea where you're getting this. Waldman had him #2 at the position behind Watkins on his pre-draft RSP last year. And a lot of articles after and before the draft had people saying they wouldn't be surprised if Beckham ended up having the most successful career of the class. I'm not saying just random people on these forums but professionals in the industry were all enamored with his physical skills before he ever touched the field.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47264/69/post-draft-dynasty-ranks---wr

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/19/rookie-dynasty-mock-offense-only/

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47177/69/silva-dynasty-rookie-rankings?pg=2

that took a google search and 5 minutes. so there's plenty more out there

I also fail to understand what this has to do with anything. He was a consensus Top 15 draft pick going into the draft last season in every mock and by every analyst. You act like he was a 6th round pick and did this in his rookie season. Just because Evans or Watkins were projected and taken over him doesn't mean they actually project better.

Tavon Austin was taken before DeAndre Hopkins in 2013. So last year were you asking why people were rating Hopkins so good and forgetting about Austin? Same goes for Keenan Allen.

Alshon Jeffery was taken after AJ Jenkins, so clearly going into 2013 you rated Jenkins as a better prospect right?

Oh here's a good one, Randall Cobb after his rookie year, would you have rated him above Johnathan Baldwin going into their 2012 sophomore year?

My point is, draft status matters for about 5 months after the draft and after that it means jack all. Once Week 1 kickoff happens all that matters is what you put out on the field. Your draft stock and what people thought of you means literally zero.

clearly you fail to understand, as you're pointing to comparisons of players that literally have nothing to do with anything. I simply made a point that it's amusing how people are acting like they saw this coming. If you disagree, so be it

Oh, no nobody saw the stats he had coming. But I recall reading a lot of stuff before and post draft saying they felt he could potentially have the best career of any WR in the draft because of just how pro ready he was coming out of LSU.

 

[Slapdash]

so people think a player who has done it once and in his rookie year when others did not have film on him is going to have a better year then that with a healthy cruz and now vereen to take targets?

I'd expect Cruz to be a minor impact given the nature of his injury for a player that relies on quick acceleration.

 

[FUBAR]

I think some folks are having selective memory about the opinion of ODB going into rookie drafts and the season last year

Who?

Really don't think so, many of us thought the class was very strong. Some guys exceeded expectations by a lot - Benjamin for one, OBJ did as well; but on the whole we thought very highly of the class. I knew owners who purposefully went after 2015 picks a year ahead of time in an attempt to rebuild - those teams look pretty good right now.

Yeah sure, the class was highly regarded. That doesn't change the fact that by and large, he was viewed as a distant 3rd best wr in the class (at best) with limited upside that projected more as a wr2 in fantasy than wr1. It's just amusing that people are trying to act like they saw this coming

not sure about the limited upside thing, but I guess all players have limited upside even if that limit is 150/2500/25.

FWIW, I had him as my #2 WR but mostly because I underrated Evans.

 

[IHEARTFF]

guy goes 12th overall, is distant 3rd best wr lol

 

[Shutout]

Dez.

Among all the guys listed, I feel he has the best combination of proven production, PLUS a game that would transition easily from downfield target to red zone/possession dominator if he loses a step.

The obvious exception is probably Calvin, but I think the difference (if any) is more than made up for by Dez's relative youth.

My thoughts exactly. Factoring age/situation/proven history/injury history, Dez is the most complete. He can easily be a guy 7 years from now carving out a "big-body moving the chains, catchin 6-8 TDs in the redzone" guy.

As dynamic and flashy as Brown and Beckham, etc, are, we've seen this story. It relies much much more on situation and the little guys with speed, once that goes, its over. The little guys that take a couple odd hits to the body making those fantastic moves (or to the head), just piles up like body blows. It wasn't that long ago that Wes Welker looked like the most unstoppable PPR thing there was...and then it changed...fast. Just a season or so ago, Cobb looked like the next one. He's great, but already, people have moved him off the conversation. Week one of the NFL season, Cooks looked like he might do what Beckham was able to once he got over his own injuries.

It just becomes an issue to where the super Dynamic players have to have the entire machine well-oiled to really display the brilliance they have but the traditional monster WRs can play through slowing down and bad Qbs and different schemes. Look at Andre Johnson. He has been hurt...a lot. But he still maintains relatively high value and it was just 3-4 years ago, at age 28 and 29, he was THE #1 dynasty WR at the time.

Brown and Beckham will likely burn hotter but will burn quicker.

 

[Freelove]

Dez.

Among all the guys listed, I feel he has the best combination of proven production, PLUS a game that would transition easily from downfield target to red zone/possession dominator if he loses a step.

The obvious exception is probably Calvin, but I think the difference (if any) is more than made up for by Dez's relative youth.

My thoughts exactly. Factoring age/situation/proven history/injury history, Dez is the most complete. He can easily be a guy 7 years from now carving out a "big-body moving the chains, catchin 6-8 TDs in the redzone" guy. As dynamic and flashy as Brown and Beckham, etc, are, we've seen this story. It relies much much more on situation and the little guys with speed, once that goes, its over. The little guys that take a couple odd hits to the body making those fantastic moves (or to the head), just piles up like body blows. It wasn't that long ago that Wes Welker looked like the most unstoppable PPR thing there was...and then it changed...fast. Just a season or so ago, Cobb looked like the next one. He's great, but already, people have moved him off the conversation. Week one of the NFL season, Cooks looked like he might do what Beckham was able to once he got over his own injuries.

It just becomes an issue to where the super Dynamic players have to have the entire machine well-oiled to really display the brilliance they have but the traditional monster WRs can play through slowing down and bad Qbs and different schemes. Look at Andre Johnson. He has been hurt...a lot. But he still maintains relatively high value and it was just 3-4 years ago, at age 28 and 29, he was THE #1 dynasty WR at the time.

Brown and Beckham will likely burn hotter but will burn quicker.

Of course, I'd have made similar arguments for the long term prospects of Herman Moore or Carl Pickens over Isaac Bruce after 1995.

Sometimes, the big guy slows down and turns into T.O. or Cris Carter. Sometimes, the little guy turns into Isaac Bruce. Just got to make your read, place your bets, and let it ride.

 

[DocHolliday]

OBJ

Brown

 

[Boone22]

None of you guys who voted for OBJ are scared he turns into Michael Clayton?

 

[Run It Up]

No one afraid of the sophomore slump or the soul crushing expectations? Kid plays in NY and this thread is a prime example of what people expect of him.

 

[Shutout]

Dez.

Among all the guys listed, I feel he has the best combination of proven production, PLUS a game that would transition easily from downfield target to red zone/possession dominator if he loses a step.

The obvious exception is probably Calvin, but I think the difference (if any) is more than made up for by Dez's relative youth.

My thoughts exactly. Factoring age/situation/proven history/injury history, Dez is the most complete. He can easily be a guy 7 years from now carving out a "big-body moving the chains, catchin 6-8 TDs in the redzone" guy. As dynamic and flashy as Brown and Beckham, etc, are, we've seen this story. It relies much much more on situation and the little guys with speed, once that goes, its over. The little guys that take a couple odd hits to the body making those fantastic moves (or to the head), just piles up like body blows. It wasn't that long ago that Wes Welker looked like the most unstoppable PPR thing there was...and then it changed...fast. Just a season or so ago, Cobb looked like the next one. He's great, but already, people have moved him off the conversation. Week one of the NFL season, Cooks looked like he might do what Beckham was able to once he got over his own injuries.

It just becomes an issue to where the super Dynamic players have to have the entire machine well-oiled to really display the brilliance they have but the traditional monster WRs can play through slowing down and bad Qbs and different schemes. Look at Andre Johnson. He has been hurt...a lot. But he still maintains relatively high value and it was just 3-4 years ago, at age 28 and 29, he was THE #1 dynasty WR at the time.

Brown and Beckham will likely burn hotter but will burn quicker.

Of course, I'd have made similar arguments for the long term prospects of Herman Moore or Carl Pickens over Isaac Bruce after 1995.

Sometimes, the big guy slows down and turns into T.O. or Cris Carter. Sometimes, the little guy turns into Isaac Bruce. Just got to make your read, place your bets, and let it ride.

Keep in mind, those two guys you mentioned didn't slow down until WELL beyond their 33rd or so birthdays. One is a HOF. THe other probably would be if he weren't so abrasive. Bruce was always a good talent. He just had to take a few years to get past those nagging hamstrings.

 

[Shutout]

No one afraid of the sophomore slump or the soul crushing expectations? Kid plays in NY and this thread is a prime example of what people expect of him.

No one afraid of the sophomore slump or the soul crushing expectations? Kid plays in NY and this thread is a prime example of what people expect of him.

Good point. Lots of guys have looked like the next coming for ONE YEAR in NYC and the media being what it is there, things tend to get a lot more buzz.

I don't expect Beckham is Michael Clayton but I do think he could settle in as Tory Holt. And that would be GREAT if it wasn't for the fact that people are paying "Two Calvin Johnson" prices for him and will ultimately be frustrated that they "only" got Tory Holt out of him.

FF is like a microcosm of society in a sense. In our "immediate gratification" social media world, we are so impatient to have the next thing before the next big thing is even the next big thing, we jump the gun sometimes.

I wonder how many people realize that in 2009, Steve Smith, a guy that is about the exact same size as Odell, playing on the same team with the same QB, playing in a similar capacity, caught the exact same % of balls (Beckham 91/130, Smith 107/157) for slightly more yards? Beckham did catch 12 TDs to Smith's 7 but I guess it is also worth noting that we probably don't expect Beckham to maintain a 21TD season most years.

They aren't the same guy and Beckham certainly appears to have more going for him but it does underscore the idea, again, that lots of people have done something ONCE in NYC and it got talked about a lot.

 

[Banger]

No one afraid of the sophomore slump or the soul crushing expectations? Kid plays in NY and this thread is a prime example of what people expect of him.

No one afraid of the sophomore slump or the soul crushing expectations? Kid plays in NY and this thread is a prime example of what people expect of him.

Good point. Lots of guys have looked like the next coming for ONE YEAR in NYC and the media being what it is there, things tend to get a lot more buzz.

I don't expect Beckham is Michael Clayton but I do think he could settle in as Tory Holt. And that would be GREAT if it wasn't for the fact that people are paying "Two Calvin Johnson" prices for him and will ultimately be frustrated that they "only" got Tory Holt out of him.

FF is like a microcosm of society in a sense. In our "immediate gratification" social media world, we are so impatient to have the next thing before the next big thing is even the next big thing, we jump the gun sometimes.

I wonder how many people realize that in 2009, Steve Smith, a guy that is about the exact same size as Odell, playing on the same team with the same QB, playing in a similar capacity, caught the exact same % of balls (Beckham 91/130, Smith 107/157) for slightly more yards? Beckham did catch 12 TDs to Smith's 7 but I guess it is also worth noting that we probably don't expect Beckham to maintain a 21TD season most years.

They aren't the same guy and Beckham certainly appears to have more going for him but it does underscore the idea, again, that lots of people have done something ONCE in NYC and it got talked about a lot.

I get that guys flame out and have career years and that there are anomolies and outliers every year. To me it's not about the numbers that he threw up, there are always broken plays that go for big gains, fluke type events like what happened with Victor Cruz a few years back but what he did and the way he did it it was as dominant a performance as Randy Moss years back. The other team knew it was coming, they had no other weapons and they still couldn't stop him.

The athleticism, speed, route running, body control, quickness, hands, smarts, work ethic, determination, maturity...the kid has it all and wants to be the best. I don't know that I've ever felt this strongly about a player as I do about him. It has nothing to do with his stats or hype or any of that. I watched every snap of his last year and the catches he made as a rookie were extraordinary. He made Richard Sherman look silly on the road in like his 3rd game.

Everyone keeps saying that teams are going to watch film on him and shut him down but on the flip side won't he gain experience and knowledge and improve like most players do as they mature through the league? Didn't teams watch film on him last year to try and stop him?