Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Fwiw: I like Jeanty. And despite the fact that it's a traveshamockery Cam isn't a finalist, I think he's the best RB in the country and probably the best player in the country who only plays on half of his team's plays.
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Who SHOULD win 2024 Heisman? (1 Viewer)
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Zegras11
Footballguy
only played half the game on this one.
What did he do against the #1 team in the nation?
General Malaise
Footballguy
So 2 total TDs in three losses against mediocre to bad football progrums.
Jeanty with 3 TDs in his team's only loss against the #1 team in the world.
Signed,
Guy who likes Cy Young pitchers to be WINNERS
TripItUp
Footballguy
Not just the best RB in the country, one of the best collegiate RBs we have ever seen. He's on a very short list.
To say he's just the best RB, does not give him the recognition he deserves.
Zegras11
Footballguy
How many ranked teams did Colorado play? Zero
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Then why not Dillon Gabriel, who completed 75% of his passes with 10 touchdowns and zero INTs in three games against top 10 opponents.
Because the heisman is an individual award. It's not even "MVP" which people can pick apart the semantics to claim it's about how valuable they are to the team rather than how good they are. It's straight up best player. Team records don't matter. Besides, Boise was already a 10 win team before Jeanty became the starter. It's not like he jumped into the starting role on a team coming off a 1-win season...
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
While he was resting half the game, Bartolo Colon.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Maybe the greatest RB to ever play the game.
And very deserving of 2nd place.
Better?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
He only plays half of all the games.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I don't think that means what you think it means
General Malaise
Footballguy
Because Gabriel is one of several standout players on the Oregon offense. He has two dynamic RBs, 3 stud WRs and 2 TE that are also very good. He also has a terrific Oline.
Without looking, can you name the QB of Boise State or even one of their WRs? I can't.
Gabriel is a deserving finalist but we have a guy who is touching rarified air for RBs.
I'm fine with Hunter winning it - he will. But man.....Barry Sanders is God in shoulder pads and Jeanty is 2nd in yards only to him. Incredible.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Unlike the last few years, the BSU QB, 2WR and TE all contributed well this year and were pretty consistent.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Jeanty landslide in this poll. I think he’s been a FAR bigger contributor to his team record than hunter. But I fully expect hunter to win in the voting since he’s a bigger brand. Odd that 3 of these 4 candidates are from the west USA.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Travis Hunter: 4 INTs, 11 PD (#1 in NCAA)
Jeanty: 0 INTs, 0 PDs
Hunter plays nearly every snap.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
How many people have ever played both ways, and been top 5 at BOTH positions, ever?
If it's so lame and easy, how come it doesn't happen at least like once a decade?
Team accolades are awesome. They're now called the college football playoffs.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yeah people just realized that an amazing RB season, which while amazing is not unheard of and we see something similar every few years, is less "outstanding" than doing something that has literally never been done before in modern football.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Oh shoot, I must be in the wrong thread. I was looking for the heisman thread, not the "hardest on the body" award thread.
I can't believe Caleb Williams won the heisman in 2022.
Rushing Yards and TDs
Tyjae Spears: 1581, 15
Caleb Williams: 142, 11
Tyjae Spears won 12 games
Caleb Williams lost 3.
And Tyjae Spears 300 carries were way harder on his body than Caleb Williams' just throwing the ball!
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Zegras11
Footballguy
you're in the has to play the most snaps thread
Instinctive
Footballguy
thats weird i thought i was a fan too
Zegras11
Footballguy
your vote lost that one.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Jeanty rec'd 66% of the votes from 154,360 fav \votes on ESPN.
62% here.
The fans have spoken.
Zegras11
Footballguy
so I heard last year, Daniels was on only 9o% of ballots.
Jeanty was on the most ballots with a tad under 95%. A dozen more than Hunter.
Who are these *** clowns that left HUnter and Jeanty off 1 in 20 ballots?
Jeanty was on the most ballots with a tad under 95%. A dozen more than Hunter.
Who are these *** clowns that left HUnter and Jeanty off 1 in 20 ballots?
2024 Heisman Memorial Trophy Award Balloting
| Rank | Name | School | 1st Votes | 2nd Votes | 3rd Votes | Total Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Travis Hunter | Colorado | 552 | 261 | 53 | 2,231 |
| 2 | Ashton Jeanty | Boise State | 309 | 517 | 56 | 2,017 |
| 3 | Dillon Gabriel | Oregon | 24 | 52 | 340 | 516 |
| 4 | Cam Ward | Miami | 6 | 24 | 163 | 229 |
| 5 | Cam Skattebo | Arizona State | 3 | 18 | 125 | 170 |
| 6 | Bryson Daily | Army | 3 | 7 | 46 | 69 |
| 7 | Tyler Warren | Penn State | 1 | 7 | 35 | 52 |
| 8 | Shedeur Sanders | Colorado | 1 | 7 | 30 | 47 |
| 9 | Kurtis Rourke | Indiana | 2 | 3 | 10 | 22 |
| 10 | Kyle McCord | Syracuse | 0 | 1 | 7 | 9 |
baconstripdivots
Footballguy
Along with the Deion influence.
No denying the talent of Hunter, but the best player in NCAA Football this year got porked.
belljr
Footballguy
Champ Bailey is not considered modern football?
Ftr I think Hunter should have won
Instinctive
Footballguy
Probably the closest anyone has come. He was also an outstanding defensive award winner (Nagurski), but had 47/744/5 playing offense a decent amount of the time but not full time. He was 7th in heisman voting, and doesn't appear, from my research, to have been considered for any offensive awards (e.g., Biletnikoff). For comparison, those stats are approximately equivalent to Hunter's season last year (57/721/5). This year, he had 92/1152/14.
He is a great example though, probably the closest anyone has ever been to a top 5 player on both sides of the ball. Are there others? I'm happy to concede the only time anyone has really come close was in 1998 that one time (Woodson's offensive stats are practically nonexistent, so I wouldn't consider him to be in this discussion except by way of pointing out just how rare and hard and "outstanding" it therefore is).
Overall it just sucks for Jeanty. He probably wins most of the past few years? I think Burrow still edges him, but beyond that he's probably the winner a bunch. Them's the breaks.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah Woodson didn’t play enough offense to really count. He did play special teams which Hunter did not. Woodson could have done what Hunter did, Michigan just felt his value was too much on defense and the team too good to mess with that. Woodson actually might have been one of the most electric offensive players in the country if they let him. In his career, Woodson touched the ball on offense 30 times. He produced 537 yards and 5 TDs. When he came in the game, teams knew he was almost surely getting the ball and they still couldn’t stop him.
I agree with your assessment that Hunter is a deserving Heisman winner. Jeanty would have been too. I think it’s a mix of the novelty, Boise not being a powerhouse and the Deion effect that broken the vote narrowly for Hunter.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
You can't play every snap if you are an every down RB...physcially impossible to also play defense.
Let's not compare apples and oranges....this is a tired, lazy argument.
TripItUp
Footballguy
it's not even close
Huge miss by the Heisman voters...seems like they always get it wrong.
Jeanty was robbed.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Great post on reddit that I quote here. It's a ridiculous take to think anyone was robbed. Hot take culture at its finest.
"Just want to get in here early, man. This thread will be fantastic.
**Ashton Jeanty** (credit to u/Beef_Dirky)
* Total Rushing Yards – 2,497 - 1^(st) (4^(th) all time with game(s) remaining)
* Yards After Contact - 1st (1st all time since metric tracked / 1st vs total rushing yards of all other players this season)
* PFF Rushing Grade - 1^(st) (1^(st) all time since metric tracked)
* Missed Tackles Forced - 1^(st) (1^(st) all time since metric tracked)
* TDs - 30 - 1st
* Conference Champion? – Yes
* Made CFP? - Yes
* Conference Affiliation - G5
**Travis Hunter**:
In 688 snaps at CB:
* 6 first downs allowed (1st in FBS)
* Targeted 39 times (3rd lowest in FBS)
* 15 passes defended (11 breakups, 4 interceptions) 3rd among P4 \~ roughly 1 interception per 10 targets, 1 forced fumble
* Lowest passer rating when targeted in the country among all active CBs
* 89.6 PFF coverage rating on the season (top 2 in country)
* Held T. McMillan (ARI, first team all-American and #1/#2 projected WR in 2025 NFL Draft) to 5 receptions for 38 yd
* 205 receiving yards allowed as primary coverage –– lowest in the country among all corners with 395+ snaps
* 1 game winning FF at the goaline in OT.
At WR:
* 21 plays of 20+ yards — 1st in FBS
* 92 catches — 2nd among power 4 receivers
* 1152 yds — 2nd among power 4 receivers
* 14 Rec TD –– 2nd nationally
Either guy could've won and neither player would've been robbed. The issue is that the G5 doesn't get credit for their accomplishments but it's bizarre to me that people are screeching this much about Jeanty getting screwed when the general sentiment on this sub was to **** on UCF for demanding a playoff spot or calling Cincinnati getting put in the playoff after going undefeated two years in a row a waste of a spot.
If the issue is that Colorado had 3 losses, both Jayden Daniels (LSU) last year and Lamar Jackson (Louisville) also won with 3 losses.
If the issue is that Jeanty dragged his team to the playoff and Hunter didn't, Colorado missed out on the B12 championship due to tiebreaker.
If the issue is that Hunter "only" had 4 interceptions or 20 tackles or whatever you're an imbecile
Travis' raw counting stats at WR are almost identical to Jalin Hyatt and MHJ's numbers so it's not really like him winning the Biletnikoff was the worst thing in the world either even if McMillan was a super strong candidate. Hyatt and Addison both won the Biletnikoff in years where the double crown leader in Rec yards and Rec TDs was a G5 player so spare the Nash got screwed because of Deion PR line. It happens every year. Nash got screwed because none of you watch San Jose State same as none of you watched [Jerreth Sterns of Western Kentucky go for 2000 yards rec and 17 TDs in 2021](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2021-receiving.html).
Jeanty went home with the Maxwell award, lol. He didn't get screwed. Two of the greatest seasons in the history of college football happened the same year and one of them just happened to be a bit more popular because it's just literally never been done (no, Champ and Woodson were not as good as Hunter on offense –– I checked those stats too.) Happy Sunday, everyone."
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The fact that Bailey is the closest, while putting up barely HALF of what Hunter did on offense, is kind of the point.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Just as an aside, as a Dolphins fan, why do people keep saying that Jeanty's year only compares to Sanders and just leave out my boy Run Rucky Run.
Ricky ran for 2124yds and 27 TDs, in two fewer games than Jeanty. He actually averaged more rush yds per game and more TDs per game than Jeanty. And he did it in a P5 conference where Texas played against 5 ranked teams that year.
Ricky ran for 2124yds and 27 TDs, in two fewer games than Jeanty. He actually averaged more rush yds per game and more TDs per game than Jeanty. And he did it in a P5 conference where Texas played against 5 ranked teams that year.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think its the efficiency numbers
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
There are guys that did surpringly well on that metric as well.
Melvin Gordon averaged 7.5ypa on his way to 2587yds rushing and 29 TDs. He had 3 receiving TDs as well, 32 total TDs, in a P5 conference with 4 games against ranked opponents.
Darrell Henderson averaged 8.9ypa (!!) at just under 2000yds and 19 TDs, but was also a standout receiver.
Rashaad Penny 7.8ypa for 2248yds with 23 TDs (and another two receiving).
Jeanty was 7.3ypa for 2497yds and 29 TD.
Jeanty's season was epic for sure, but there are more guys that were within striking distance of it than I realized.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's almost as lazy as using team success . . . almost.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I think team success should matter when awarding the Heisman.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I wholeheartedly do not.
Zegras11
Footballguy
I think it does matter for sure.
Gabriel was in final four with yardage and TD's 20% less than Sanders. He was a finalist because he was from #1 team.
If Colorado had won conference and was a Top 4 seed, It would have been a landslide for Hunter.
It kinda sucks Hunter padded his stats in last game. Up 45-0 late in 4th, targeted three times, 2 rec, 52 (almost 50% of yds that game) yds and a TD on one late drive. Had another TD in 3Q up 28-0.
Jeanty didn't even play 3Q and 4Q in four games like that.
Had he even played through the 3rdQ in those four games, he very likely would have picked up more than 132 yards and broken Sanders record.
Mile High
Footballguy
So being 9-3 and tied for 1st in the Big 12 wasn't team success? Are you saying Heisman winners should only come from the teams in the playoffs?
General Malaise
Footballguy
I do think 9-3 is a huge success for a team like Colorado - that team has been dog barf for decades. When was the last time Colorado was good, when Oregon beat them by 40 in the Fiesta Bowl? So I do think it was a successful season for Colorado.
HOWEVER - Boise State is in the playoffs and are only in the playoffs because of Ashton Jeanty. Full stop. There isn't a poster on this website who can argue otherwise.
Colorado is 9-3 in a large measure because of their QB. He could have been in the Heisman running too, no? So that's TWO key cogs in the success for Colorado. And I get that Hunter played both ways, I think he was a deserving winner of the award. But I think Jeanty would have gotten my vote and I'm not alone in that thought.
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