Who Will Be The Top Fantasy RB For Denver The Rest Of The Way? (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

It's only halftime but Andre Hall is looking real good against the Bears. And Lord knows there are probably a lot of people impacted by the Denver RB situation in one form or another. So what says the FBG? Who will be the Denver RB to own the rest of the season.

Henry?

Young?

Hall?

 

[jylly18]

Young

 

[Gopher State]

Hall looks real good today, someone to watch for sure

 

[SSOG]

Henry if he wins his appeal, Young otherwise.

 

[dparker713]

Hall has looked good when given space, but Im not so sure he's doing well overall. Plenty of times he's been stuffed.

 

[toastedgnome]

Hall has looked good when given space, but Im not so sure he's doing well overall. Plenty of times he's been stuffed.

Field conditions are less than ideal. I don't think Hall looks that great between the tackles - but oh so good in space. to be fair there are several players slipping.

 

[SSOG]

Hall has had a very good game, but to be honest, the blocking has to get a lot of credit. Outside of a couple of broken tackles, Hall hasn't gotten anything that he shouldn't have gotten.

I think the real story of this game is the rebirth of Denver's running game. Lots of carries, great blocking, the entire offensive machine is starting to look a lot better oiled now.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Lot of upset people here.

Mainly those who are holding out hope the stoner or the glassman will pull out a miracle.

 

[Gopher State]

Lot of upset people here. Mainly those who are holding out hope the stoner or the glassman will pull out a miracle.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Lot of upset people here. Mainly those who are holding out hope the stoner or the glassman will pull out a miracle.

I'm not upset and both of those losers are on my roster. I haven't started a Bronco in about 6-7 weeks.

 

[BobbyLayne]

You need a fourth option:

No one, including Ratface, has any idea

 

[Lord Lucan]

Just to make things simpler, for one week at least:

If you have a Broncos RB, and he's on the active roster, roll the dice and start him next week against Oakland. If Hall and Young are both active, for instance, they could easily both get 100 yards and a TD against that run D.

 

[az_prof]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

 

[Chickenskin]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

That isn't the funny part.The funny part is that Denver so much wants a #1 back that can carry the load. They love that. They live that. And they can't. That's the funny part.

 

[SSOG]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

 

[Chickenskin]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

None of the Denver RB's have los their starting job b/c of performance - it has been soley based on being injuried.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

 

[munchkin]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

None of the Denver RB's have los their starting job b/c of performance - it has been soley based on being injuried.

What exactly has Henry done when he has been in the game lately?

 

[Young 8]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

yes62 with 1 carry, 46 with the other 14

 

[Onions]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

yes62 with 1 carry, 46 with the other 14

You realize all carries count, right?

 

[NHT-SPOILER]

I have Henry, Young, and Hall.

From what I have seen, Hall is the most 1-Dimensional (cannot run up the middle, no power, only quickness on the outside).

Henry - Most complete back out of the 3, but also the MOST injury prone not to mention, his off the field issues.

Young - very close second to Henry, has quickness, can catch, and run with power up the middle.

Either way, all of us have been screwed all year by trying to keep whatever DEN RB that starts. Hopefully the NFL will finally make public their decision, so we can either drop Henry to pick up someone else OR hope that he gets healthy quick, which I doubt. After today, I just hope that Young is back next week.

What ever happens = PLEASE NO DAMN RBBC!!!

 

[Chickenskin]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

None of the Denver RB's have los their starting job b/c of performance - it has been soley based on being injuried.

What exactly has Henry done when he has been in the game lately?

Never said Henry's been good, just that Henry and Young did not lose their job because of performance, but rather health. If all three are healthy, I would be surprised if Hall is the #1.

 

[munchkin]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

None of the Denver RB's have los their starting job b/c of performance - it has been soley based on being injuried.

What exactly has Henry done when he has been in the game lately?

Never said Henry's been good, just that Henry and Young did not lose their job because of performance, but rather health. If all three are healthy, I would be surprised if Hall is the #1.

Gotcha, Henry still as done squat...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

None of the Denver RB's have los their starting job b/c of performance - it has been soley based on being injuried.

What exactly has Henry done when he has been in the game lately?

Never said Henry's been good, just that Henry and Young did not lose their job because of performance, but rather health. If all three are healthy, I would be surprised if Hall is the #1.

Gotcha, Henry still as done squat...

Wasn't Henry leading the league in rushing early in the season?

 

[SSOG]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

 

[Loan Sharks]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.

Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

There isn't anyone ahead of him.

 

[benm3218]

Hall broke tackles and looked very nice. He reminded me of MJD but in a better offense. I like Hall going forward.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Hall broke tackles and looked very nice. He reminded me of MJD but in a better offense. I like Hall going forward.

His talents are definitely being sold short by some in this thread.

 

[kupcho1]

In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago.

That's just nonsense. Rex Grossman putting up 14 points in ~ 5 minutes can't be laid at the feet of the running game.

 

[packersfan]

I thought Hall looked very good today. The only negatives were his inability to score from close range in the first half and his sluggish runs late which led to him being replaced by Sapp. I don't think the latter should be ignored. The fact Shanahan went with a fullback for some critical carries late definitely reflects on Hall. So given that, I'm not sure if Hall did enough today to stake a claim to the starting job unless Henry and Young remain injured.

My guess is the pecking order will remain the same. Henry will start if he's healthy; if he isn't then Young will start. If Young's not healthy then Hall will start. That's just a guess. The bottom line is this is most definitely a mess. The kicker is all three of these RBs have now enjoyed productive moments as the starter so whoever starts clearly has value.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.

Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

funny how you jumped from pointing out his 3.77 ypc to acknowledging his 5.02 ypc within 5 minutes. note that i'm not saying that hall is going to get a bigger role (i don't think he will). i'm not even saying that it's reasonable to assume he's going to get a bigger role (i don't think it is). i'm just saying that i do understand why people might question if it's possible that he'll get a bigger role. if you can't even acknowledge that, i'll stop wasting my time.

i forgot how obtuse you are.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago.

That's just nonsense. Rex Grossman putting up 14 points in ~ 5 minutes can't be laid at the feet of the running game.

'That and their refusal to kick away from Hester. Although maybe that was Hall's idea.

 

[The Dude]

I'll add my opinion - I own all 3 so no reason to be biased. I watched almost all of the game (missed a few minutes in the 3rd quarter). Hall didn't look special - lots of carries out of normal Broncos formation that went nowhere. And little or no power.

I'm not taking his TD run away from him but that is not a normal play (option). And on his big reception, he didn't look that fast. Yes you have to factor in the field conditions. I would be interested to see his yards for each carry - maybe I'll put that together later.

To be fair, I haven't watched much of Young.

 

[fsufan]

Whichever back can stay healthy.

all 3 will be healthy for the FF playoffs and it will be RBBC

 

[packersfan]

And on his big reception, he didn't look that fast. Yes you have to factor in the field conditions.

I think Young scores on that play. I think he's a much more explosive RB than Hall. That's the one clear advantage Young has over Henry and Hall - he's a much better receiver out of the backfield. Henry is by far the best pure runner of the three; Young is the best receiver and Hall is a little bit of both. That's why I think the depth chart has been Henry-Young-Hall and why I think it will remain that way barring injury and a possible Henry suspension.

 

[SSOG]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.

Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

There isn't anyone ahead of him.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

 

[SSOG]

In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago.

That's just nonsense. Rex Grossman putting up 14 points in ~ 5 minutes can't be laid at the feet of the running game.

No, but Grossman having 5 minutes to put up those 14 points can definitely be laid at the feet of the running game.

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.

Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

funny how you jumped from pointing out his 3.77 ypc to acknowledging his 5.02 ypc within 5 minutes. note that i'm not saying that hall is going to get a bigger role (i don't think he will). i'm not even saying that it's reasonable to assume he's going to get a bigger role (i don't think it is). i'm just saying that i do understand why people might question if it's possible that he'll get a bigger role. if you can't even acknowledge that, i'll stop wasting my time.

i forgot how obtuse you are.

Why's it funny how I pointed out his ypc today when I was talking about how he's done today, and then pointed out his ypc this season when talking about how he's done this season?Okay, fine, I'll acknowledge that I can understand how it's POSSIBLE that someone might think that Hall's role could increase. They could completely ignore Shanahan's history. I think they would be radically wrong to do so, but I will readily acknowledge that people could very easily make rash decisions. If you agree with me that Hall's not likely to get a bigger role, and you agree that it's not REASONABLE to assume Hall is going to get a bigger role, I don't get what the argument is.

 

[packersfan]

They could completely ignore Shanahan's history.

Part of Shanahan's history is what happened last season. He didn't have a starting RB who could stay healthy so he went with a RBBC situation. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen but the key issue here in my opinion is the starter (Henry) is hurt and the backup (Young) is also hurt and has shown no indication thus far he can stay healthy.

 

[packersfan]

The reason why Hall was replaced late wasn't due to poor performance but rather because he also is injured. Hall sprained his ankle on his first carry, played hurt the entire game but had to leave late.

"(Hall) couldn't go any further,'' Shanahan said. " . . . he could hardly walk on the sideline so that gives you an idea of his toughness.''

Link

 

[moleculo]

They could completely ignore Shanahan's history.

Part of Shanahan's history is what happened last season. He didn't have a starting RB who could stay healthy so he went with a RBBC situation. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen but the key issue here in my opinion is the starter (Henry) is hurt and the backup (Young) is also hurt and has shown no indication thus far he can stay healthy.

to be clear> IMO Shanahan intended to use RBBC last year, just as he did in 2005. The way his RBBC scheme worked was "we'll go with the hot hand". It wasn't a "divide carries by situatiuons" and it wasn't "alternate series". It was more like "alternate series first half, ride hot hand second half". As Tatum Bell was hot more and more often, he got the call earlier and earlier, until he got hurt.The key element here is that RBBC was the plan prior to the injury.It's nitpicking, to be sure. I think I am starting to agree with you on SYoung vs AHall.ETA: regarding Shanahans history: he has a history of using RBBC, but the fact that he jettisoned off TBell and paid big dollars for THenry says to me that he does not want to utilize RBBC if he doesn't have to.

 

[packersfan]

They could completely ignore Shanahan's history.

Part of Shanahan's history is what happened last season. He didn't have a starting RB who could stay healthy so he went with a RBBC situation. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen but the key issue here in my opinion is the starter (Henry) is hurt and the backup (Young) is also hurt and has shown no indication thus far he can stay healthy.

to be clear> IMO Shanahan intended to use RBBC last year, just as he did in 2005. The way his RBBC scheme worked was "we'll go with the hot hand". It wasn't a "divide carries by situatiuons" and it wasn't "alternate series". It was more like "alternate series first half, ride hot hand second half". As Tatum Bell was hot more and more often, he got the call earlier and earlier, until he got hurt.The key element here is that RBBC was the plan prior to the injury.It's nitpicking, to be sure. I think I am starting to agree with you on SYoung vs AHall.

RBBC was the plan to start the season but Shanahan went away from it after two games. Tatum Bell then got the starting job and dominated the carries for the next four games until he got hurt. He remained the starter but given the fact he was injured, he was unable to do anything so that allowed Mike Bell to re-enter the picture and the situation became a RBBC all over again. That's why I see so many similarities between this season and last. It's clear Shanahan wants one guy to be his primary ballcarrier. The problem is none of them can stay healthy. First Henry got hurt, then Young and now Hall.

 

[War Eagle]

The only reason we're talking about Young is because of Henry's injury....

The only reason we're talking about Hall is because of Young's injury...

The debth chart is

Henry

Young

Hall

The healthy guy at the top of the chart starts! Beyond that, the other question mark is of course the suspension decision.

This is a RBBC-I (Running Back By Committee - due to Injury)

 

[gianmarco]

The only reason we're talking about Young is because of Henry's injury....The only reason we're talking about Hall is because of Young's injury...The debth chart isHenryYoungHallThe healthy guy at the top of the chart starts! Beyond that, the other question mark is of course the suspension decision.This is a RBBC-I (Running Back By Committee - due to Injury)

 

[Young 8]

The reason why Hall was replaced late wasn't due to poor performance but rather because he also is injured. Hall sprained his ankle on his first carry, played hurt the entire game but had to leave late.

"(Hall) couldn't go any further,'' Shanahan said. " . . . he could hardly walk on the sideline so that gives you an idea of his toughness.''

Link

so.....Henry injured (and maybe suspended), Young injured, Hall injured

who's next ??

Sapp ?

Bell ?

LOL

 

[Loan Sharks]

The fact is none of us know at this point, but I have to laugh at the Henry and even more so the Young owners who want to downplay Hall's performance. He has shown as much as Young and Young has no better pedigree and a greater penchant for being injured. Incidentally, they have run behind the same line.

You realize Hall averaged 3.77 yards per carry, right? Seriously, what is it about a 26-for-98 day that makes people think he's going to get a bigger role going forward?

A lot of us saw him at 25-104, which is over 4ypc, before he lost 6 yards on his final carry. So people saw the 100 yards, the TD, the 69 yards receiving, and the 15 carries for 108 yards (7.2 ypc since you like to refer to yards per carry after a ridiculously small sample size) and a TD before today. Do you really not get why people might question whether or not he'll get a bigger role going forward?

Andre Hall's stats this season- 41 carries, 206 yards. That's 5.02 per carry.Selvin Young's stats this season- 76 carries, 385 yards. That's 5.01 per carry.

Yes, I really don't get why people might question whether he'll get a bigger role going forward. He hasn't outperformed anyone ahead of him. In fact, his complete inability to get yardage at the end of the game was one of the primary reasons Denver wound up losing against Chicago. Not that that was all in him- there wasn't much there- but he's the type of RB who takes what's there and nothing more. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

There isn't anyone ahead of him.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

Wow, this is the worst case of denial I have seen in some time. Let me guess you are the guy that kept saying Vick was atop the depth chart right up until he reported to jail.

 

[LBH]

makes you wonder how good Hall might have looked if he had not sprained his ankle on the first play

 

[SSOG]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

Wow, this is the worst case of denial I have seen in some time. Let me guess you are the guy that kept saying Vick was atop the depth chart right up until he reported to jail.

Hmmm... a 2003 join date, so it's unlikely this is schtick. I suppose you honestly believe that Hall is now the #1 RB in Denver. In that case, I agree- this is the worst case of denial I have seen in some time.

makes you wonder how good Hall might have looked if he had not sprained his ankle on the first play

Actually, yes. Knowing that Hall played the entire game on a sprained ankle does make me seriously reconsider my opinion of how he played today. Not enough to change my stance on him, but definitely enough to soften it.

 

[The Dude]

Threads like this represent the wrost of a ff message board. Too many comments from people that didn't see the game, too many comments from people who's opinions are skewed by who they own, too much ignorance in general.

I appreciate some of the more subjective posts like SSOG and Packersfan.

 

[jerseydevil20]

Threads like this represent the wrost of a ff message board. Too many comments from people that didn't see the game, too many comments from people who's opinions are skewed by who they own, too much ignorance in general.I appreciate some of the more subjective posts like SSOG and Packersfan.

What gets me is when people confuse their arguments on this board for reality. Hey, if I make a really good argument for so and so to be #1 going forward, then it surely will happen... I too appreciate SSOG and others like him.