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Who's MVP? (1 Viewer)

MVP thru 8 weeks:

  • Peyton Manning

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Eli Manning

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Aaron Rogers

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • LaDanian Tomlinson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Arian Foster

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Adrian Peterson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Roddy White

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Drew Brees

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Someone else

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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Rivers may have been playing spectacularly better than any other QB, but if his team fails to make the playoffs, then no consideration whatsoever. Peyton Manning for me at this point.

 
It's not Phillip Rivers at 4-5. If they rally and make the playoffs and he makes the charge, he could get my vote because NOBODY is really killing it right now, it's wide open.

I could see Adrian Peterson if the Vikings rally to win their division.

I could see Aaron Rodgers get it if they continue to play at the level they have the last 2 weeks.

I could see Peyton Manning get it if they rally to win their division with all of their injuries.

I don't see Eli Manning getting it. No WR is going to get it. I don't see any RB with a shot besides Peterson and that's kind of a longshot too.

 
Rivers has no shot if the Chargers don't make the playoffs, but if they do, he should win it. And it shouldn't be close. What he is doing right now with the Chargers, minus all of those offensive stars, is unbelievable.

 
rzrback77 said:
Rivers may have been playing spectacularly better than any other QB, but if his team fails to make the playoffs, then no consideration whatsoever. Peyton Manning for me at this point.
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I think it would be a shame if Rivers, who has outplayed anyone at his position by a large margin IMO so far, would not even get any consideration if they don't make the playoffs. This guy is amazing.
 
You guys do realize that VJax hasn't been with the team all year and that Gates has missed a grand total of ONE game so far, right?

For the love of Pete, you all are blinded to Peyton's greatness like a moron who stares at the sun too long and no longer thinks it is bright.

 
I don't agree with Peter King on a lot of things, but I do agree with him on this.

My MVP plays for a losing team.

In the hours before the 3-5 Chargers took the field in Houston to play a game they had to have, Philip Rivers text-messaged his dad thusly: "I don't think Gates is going to play. We gotta find a way.''

That was the Charger theme of the week -- find a way -- with another injury, this one to tight end Antonio Gates (foot, ankle) clouding their chances. Seems like all the great quarterbacks (except for Drew Brees, maybe) are having to put up with massive changes at the receiver and tight end position this year.

Among the pass-catchers for San Diego were Gary Banks, a free-agent wideout from Troy, and veteran backup tight end Kris Wilson and veteran free-agent tight end Randy McMichael. Recent practice squad graduate Seyi Ajirotutu was Rivers' big target Sunday in a 29-23 win over the Texans. He and McMichael, signed as a camp body in June, both caught two touchdown passes, as the four best receivers on the team -- Gates, Vincent Jackson, Legedu Naanee and Malcom Floyd -- all watched.

"The best thing about it,'' Rivers said from Houston, "is because we haven't had most of our front-line guys to practice with, I've gotten to develop a good feel for the guys playing now. McMichael's a starting tight end in this league, and I've been throwing to him a lot in practice. Now I've been throwing to Patrick Crayton and Tutu a lot. I've really been able to gain confidence in them. They're professional receivers.''

I'd give my MVP nod to Rivers over Peyton Manning and Tom Brady right now -- though it's razor-thin -- because Rivers has had to deal with injuries the same way Manning has, and he's had to deal with a new cast of receivers the way Brady has. And he's had to do it while the historically bad Chargers special-teams have consistently put the team in holes that have been very difficult to dig out of. But he's dug out of four, and nearly out of a couple of others. He's thrown for 2,944 yards through nine games, 357 more than any other quarterback. His 8.95 yards-per-attempt is three-quarters of a yard better than any other passer, while his 19 touchdown passes lead Brees by one.

The MVP race should be interesting, especially if Rivers continues on pace to break Dan Marino's passing-yards record for a season, and especially if the Chargers get some receivers healthy and make a run at the division title in the second half of the season. Rivers hasn't won one yet, and there's a reason: His competition is outstanding, as it will be this year.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...l-week-9/1.htmlI have Rivers as 1a and Manning at 1b. Only way Rivers wins is if they make the playoffs. I have no beef with Manning winning, he's be great this year as he usually is, but Rivers has been spectacular.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Top 10 QBs in value added over average, as measured by Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (LgAvg = 5.7):

Code: 
Rk						Tm	Age	Cmp	Att	Yds	 TD	Int  Sk	Yds	ANY/A  VAL1	 Philip Rivers	   SDG	29	215	329	2944	19	8	22	140	8.0	8222	 Peyton Manning	  IND	34	228	351	2478	16	4	10	 58	7.1	5013	 Kyle Orton		  DEN	28	195	316	2509	12	5	21	139	7.1	4634	 Michael Vick		PHI	30	 76	125	1017	 7	0	14	 82	7.7	2825	 Vince Young		 TEN	27	 72	122	 998	 9	2	10	 56	7.8	2796	 Tom Brady		   NWE	33	166	261	1826	14	4	13	 88	6.7	2757	 Aaron Rodgers	   GNB	27	192	303	2300	15	9	17	112	6.5	2588	 Ben Roethlisberger  PIT	28	 52	 82	 754	 5	2	 6	 36	8.3	2269	 Eli Manning		 NYG	29	178	271	2075	17   11	12	 82	6.5	22410	Joe Flacco		  BAL	25	160	263	1917	12	6	14	 90	6.5	217
Rivers is in a landslide there. For now.
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Does this account for rushing yardage in any way, shape, or form?
 
Right now:

Phillip Rivers

Peyton Manning

Arian Foster

Prediction for Final:

Chris Johnson

Phillip Rivers

Ladainian Tomlinson (although that might be more credit for his career)

 
Those voting for Rivers are going with who they think SHOULD be the winner, versus who they think WOULD be the winner if the season stopped right now, right? I find these polls usually are unclear in what it's asking, and so people take sides where there really isn't as much disagreement as some would think.

If you're saying Philip Rivers SHOULD be the MVP because of his play and circumstance, I can see it. If you are saying he WOULD be the MVP then you aren't a student of history.

 
What the heck has P. Rivers done to deserve MVP? He led his team to a 3rd place standing in the weak AFC west. What did that prove to anyone so far? I don't care about stats, (cue Raheem Morris, Stats are for losers speech). I care about wins. Don't cry me a river about injuries. They happen to everyone. I love Rivers talent, always have considered him to be elite. But what has so many thinking he's the MVP?

Give it to someone who's taken his team on his shoulders and led them somewhere. That player is not on your list, I am afraid.

Josh Freeman deserves mention, and if he can get through the next 2 cream puffs on the schedule, at 7-3 facing the Falcons in a rematch, I'd like to see what this kid is made of. At least be open to change and not nominate the usual suspects.

 
i have Peterson on my fantasy team and love his game. He and steven jackson truly run like every carry is their last.

but i would say Rivers. he is just sick, and they might make playoffs without any recievers. He and manning are the only two guys who you could say, it doesnt matter who theyre throwing to

 
stuckinthemuck said:
I'm asking because there doesn't seem to be a clear choice right now. I wish I could vote for Rivers but his team has let him down. Just missed the cut:Ahmad BradshawTom BradyKyle OrtonBrandon LloydAntonio GatesMichael VickDarren McFaddenChris JohnsonHakeem Nicks
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Peyton Manninghow many Colts' players are out due to injury? regardless of missing key players, Manning keeps chugging along...
 
First off it will be a QB........

Here are the projected stats for the leading canidates by seasons end for total passing yardage, total TD's, their pass attempts a game average and total ints.

Rivers

5233 passing yards

33td passes

12 ints

65% completion percentage

37 passes attempts a game (592 by seasons end at this pace)

P. Manning

4956 yards

32 tds

8 ints

65% completion percentage

43 pass attempts a game (688 pass attempts a game by seasons end)

Eli Manning

4150 yards

34 tds

22 ints

66% completion percentage

34 pass attempts a game (544 pass attepmts a game by season end)

Rodgers

4088 yards

26 tds

16 ints

63% completion percentage

34 pass attempts a game ((544 pass attepmts a game by season end)

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
First off it will be a QB........On a playoff team . . . .With a winning record . . . .On one of the top 2-3 teams in the league based on record . . . .Usually with 12 or more wins.
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Fixed.That's been the trend. Other guys have won it, but usually because there was a lack of other good candidates that met the above criteria.
 
David Yudkin said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
First off it will be a QB........On a playoff team . . . .With a winning record . . . .On one of the top 2-3 teams in the league based on record . . . .Usually with 12 or more wins.
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Fixed.That's been the trend. Other guys have won it, but usually because there was a lack of other good candidates that met the above criteria.
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This. By the end of the year we'll probably be looking at (in no order): Eli, Vick, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Brady, Peyton and possibly Rivers.
 
Was Rivers to tough to spell?

Really for draft position vs points contributed, not sure how it could be anyone else for Fantasy MVP through nine weeks

 
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Can we get Peyton Hills on this list already.. my vote would be Rivers1, Matthews Jr2, Hillis3 no other RB other than Foster comes close.. ?? Hillis doing it every week with no pass game to stretch the field.

 
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Ballstein said:
manning, hands down. If he's not there, they are 0 fer
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I've seen this statement or something similar numerous times from multiple people. But since it's never happened that Manning was hurt and missed any time, we have no way of knowing. I suspect you (and others) are right on this, but until it actually happens it's just a guess.At least when Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and NE still won 11 games (against a weak schedule). Hopefully we won't find out what would happen if Manning got hurt, but it would be an interesting comparison.
 
Ghost Rider said:
I am pretty sure this is meant to be for NFL MVP, not fantasy MVP.
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I'm pretty sure what I said is relevant. I know Browns record doesn't reflect well in MVP voting but this guy has been killing it at all levels. Big yards vs some of the best defs. He's taken key defenders out of games with his physical running. He has helped us to stay in every game this year. I know he won't be in the running but he should be over EVERY RB anyways.. I
 
I just can't see putting Rivers there. His team wouldn't be in the playoff right now. Blame the special teams but they have also helped to inflate the numbers out of necessity. MVP implies that the team is doing well. Look at all level of sports. I'm not sure that is fair but it is how it works.

I think by the end of the year it will be Vick. I don't really like the guy but he has been unstoppable on a team that is a contender.

 
David Yudkin said:
Ballstein said:
manning, hands down. If he's not there, they are 0 fer
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I've seen this statement or something similar numerous times from multiple people. But since it's never happened that Manning was hurt and missed any time, we have no way of knowing. I suspect you (and others) are right on this, but until it actually happens it's just a guess.At least when Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and NE still won 11 games (against a weak schedule). Hopefully we won't find out what would happen if Manning got hurt, but it would be an interesting comparison.
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He has no running game, and when they try, the Colts RB's are made of glass. He makes people you have never heard of better, Tamme anyone? Who the hell ever heard of him? Manning makes avg players look awesome. He is carrying the team on his shoulders more than anyone. The dude is clearly the glue.
 
Week 12 will give us a good look at this race.

Chargers at the Colts Sunday night Thanksgiving weekend.

Rivers will discover what it takes to be an NFL MVP firsthand.

 
Rivers. There's no non-QB in the running, except maybe Arian Foster.

And Rivers is playing best of all QBs, on record pace.

Just because voters stupidly refuse to vote in a player from a losing team, doesn't mean he isn't the right choice, or that we have to follow someone else's unwritten rule when discussing it.

 
David Yudkin said:
by_the_sea_wannabe said:
David Yudkin said:
If the season ended today, it would not be Rivers. Extremely unlikely they would vote for a guy from a team with a losing record as MVP (or a team that would miss the playoffs). That could change if the Chargers rectify both of those things . . .
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I was voting for who I would give the MVP to. Not who I think will receive it. :scared:
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The thread asks who IS MVP. Might want to clarify if people meant "who is most deserving" . . .
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You do realize that "they" don't actually vote for an MVP after eight weeks, right? That would "their" voting patterns pretty irrelevant.
 
1. Glad to see Rivers getting a lot of support in here.

2. LOL at anyone claiming Peyton Manning doesn't get enough respect.

3. Interesting fact on Rivers' season so far: when Vincent Jackson catches his first pass this season, he will be the 15th player to catch a pass for the Chargers this season (assuming a 15th doesn't emerge before then). For comparison purposes, Manning has completed at least one pass to 11 different players so far.

4. Suppose Manning duplicates his first half performance, finishing with 4900+ yards and 30+ TDs, and the Colts end up 10-6 and win their division... and suppose the Chargers finish 9-7 with a regular season loss to the Colts and Rivers maintains his pace, throwing for 30+ TDs and breaking the pass yardage record... and assume neither team's injury situation gets worse, so that factor remains about the same as it has been to date. Does Rivers win over Manning? If not, suppose the Chargers beat the Colts in the regular season and both teams finish 10-6, with all else the same. Does that make the difference?

 
Just Win Baby said:
4. Suppose Manning duplicates his first half performance, finishing with 4900+ yards and 30+ TDs, and the Colts end up 10-6 and win their division... and suppose the Chargers finish 9-7 with a regular season loss to the Colts and Rivers maintains his pace, throwing for 30+ TDs and breaking the pass yardage record... and assume neither team's injury situation gets worse, so that factor remains about the same as it has been to date. Does Rivers win over Manning? If not, suppose the Chargers beat the Colts in the regular season and both teams finish 10-6, with all else the same. Does that make the difference?
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As much as I don't like going with the trendy choice, I think Rivers deserves the MVP is things continue as they have. He's kept that offense humming no matter who's been out there to catch or run. He can't play special teams too. Realistically, I think Manning will win it other either scenario you gave though. It's a popularity contest. Manning is at least among the best QBs to ever play the game and everyone loves him. Many people don't like Rivers' attitude at times (unfair IMO). Only way Rivers wins is if Manning gets injured or Rivers can get the single season passing record.
 
abe froman said:
Can we get Peyton Hills on this list already.. my vote would be Rivers1, Matthews Jr2, Hillis3 no other RB other than Foster comes close.. ?? Hillis doing it every week with no pass game to stretch the field.
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Love your enthusiam but as of now Hillis is ranked 12th in rushing on a 3-5 team. Even his mom wouldn't vote for him.
 
It's incredible that the Colts can keep winning with all their injuries and no running game.

Take Peyton Manning away from them and they're worse than the Arizona Cardinals.

He's the clear MVP, imo.

 
I don't think the MVP should come from a losing team, especially one that was suppose to walk away with their division...so that takes River's out of my vote.

Lawrence Timmons has been an absolute stud all season, tackles, picks, sacks and really has been leading the Steelers to the best D in the NFL, they have not even allowed a single team to rush for more thank 75 yards yet this season which is the first time in NFL history.

If it had to be an offensive player, I would say Peyton, he has not had any consistency at RB as they keep getting hurt and he keeps losing his WR'ers and he lost one of the best TE's in the game and yet they keep winning.

I think Clay is in the conversation as well, but was trying not to be a homer. :-)

 
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