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Landing spot dooms him to ham & egger levels. Barely outperformed Sutton. So if people think he got a good QB situation, it seems it's no better than Keenum.
I dunno... 55/788/2 receiving and another 172 yards rushing (960 total yards) is a pretty good rookie season.
Depends on your definition of "ham and egger stats" I guess. Do you think he will put up WR3 stats?
Yep, he was one of my picks.
As @mjb03003 pointed out, his snaps were lacking to begin the season. If you look at his splits, in the second half of the season he put up 36/491 and added 55 yards rushing. That's a pretty solid pace for a rookie. But the most important thing is that Steve Smith once hit almost 1400 yards with Newton as his QB. Carolina was not an ideal landing spot, but it's not all doom and gloom.
Kelvin Benjamin had a couple of good years there as well before getting hurt and even Funchess had 63/840/8 a season earlier with less talent than Moore.
I have a post somewhere in the DJ Moore thread where I illustrated that Cam Newton has actually gotten the most out of his receivers. Quick rundown:
And in a season where Cam was not playing well (hurt, etc.)
Historically, there has been elite producers like Torry Holt 6'0, Isaac Bruce 6'0, Marvin Harrison 6'0, Steve Smith (5'9), etc. Going way back into the 1980s, the Marks brothers in Miami and the Three Amigos of Denver were all 5'9 - 5'11 guys. The 2013 time frame seems does seem like the golden age for big WRs; We still had physical freaks like Megatron, Andre Johnson and Vincent Jackson as well as young players like Josh Gordon, AJ Green, and Julio.
Right or wrong, Carolina probably has a different opinion of Cam than you or I. At least in Denver's case, I can see Elway moving on to another QB. Although, when you think about it, Denver might be a very tough place to succeed at QB given the presence of a guy like Elway. I imagine a guy, as accomplished as John, probably has strong feelings about how the game should be played.
Cam was hurt for about half the year as well. He simply wasn't himself. And yet, Cam set a career high in completion % this year, proving that he's improving and a top QB in a down year. If people are discounting what DJ Moore did this year, then I'm buying all day long. Funchess is likely gone, Samuels and Moore along with McCaffrey and Ian Thomas is what this offense will look like next year. Moore likely being the #2 option overall.
What areyou even talking about? DJ Moore was apparently a bad pick because they can't use him? It took til week 8 for DJ Moore to get comparable snap% as Funchess ( 74% to 71%), and only 1 week was lower than Funchess after that (week 11, 83% to 78%). And then after week 12, Funchess was basically benched and they went with Samuels and Moore.
Zyphros said:
Didn’t Steve Smith go for like 1400 yards in Cams rookie year? Not to say that Moore is the same as Steve Smith, but if people believe in Moore, Steve Smith type of numbers aren’t unreachable.
Ilov80s said:
Newton has flaws but I don't see where his flaws have ever limited his receiving options from reaching their fantasy potential. Also completion % is only one stat- Sam Bradford can complete 75% of his 5 yard check downs but that never made him any good in real life or fantasy. Cam is 12th active in yards per attempt and 2nd in yards per completion so part of the reason is completion % is lower is because he throws down field.
I probably was one of them. I loved CMC in college and thought he was the next big thing but I really backed off a bit when Carolina took him. I thought it was a real bad spot. I was way wrong.
CMC, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen... all performed pretty well with Cam. I think the dislike for Cam is exaggerated by his front running antics. While the situation isn't all gloom and doom, it isn't as ideal as Indy or any other pairing with a high end QB.
Kelvin Benjamin had a very good rookie season and Tedd Gin, Jr. had his best seasons playing with Cam.
Have him explain it to you in another thread please. I'm sure a lot of folks like me are coming to this thread to read about up-and-coming WR's. Thanks in advance!
Sure, and obviously he's far from a prolific passer and has shown accuracy issues - he's not the ideal QB you want for a rookie WR, but there are worse options in the league.
Or they just didn't throw the ball to RBs much because the RBs they had weren't receiving threats. Stewart caught 45 balls in Cam's rookie year. Before Cam, his season high was 18.
I didn't say maximized their potential. I said reach their potential. If you think Shephard or Wright should have been more than a 300-400 yard and 1-2 TD guys, then every QB they played with failed to reach their potential. You listed a bunch of JAGs and guys at the end of their careers.
Since the historic rookie WR class of 2014, DJ Moore had the 6th most receiving yards for a rookie WR behind Thomas, Cooper, Juju, Kupp and Ridley. I think DJ is poised for a big season.
It is all in the context of the topic: Is DJ Moore the potential great NFL WR?Have him explain it to you in another thread please. I'm sure a lot of folks like me are coming to this thread to read about up-and-coming WR's. Thanks in advance!
John Elway never exceeded 60% passing until his 11th year in the league and he started his career with a season at sub-50%. Guys like Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick also never surpassed it until season 8 and while neither of them turned into Drew Brees in their twilight years, they both did become more accurate passers than when they came into the league. McNabb exceeded that barrier for the first time in his 6th year and wasn't exactly a WR killer. Nobody has said he's the best passer out there, only that he's had WR's have success in the past and there is no reason Moore can't succeed despite his limitations.
This may be something. He’s kind of stuck in limbo with this offense, the Lions need to open it up but Golladay has the goods.
No, you made a statement about him not reaching 60% completion percentage until his 8th year and I provided examples of QB's with a similar start who went on to HOF or otherwise very successful careers and whom put up some pretty prolific passing seasons despite these limitations and whom improved in their accuracy as their careers went on. I'm not saying Newton will continue to improve in that but it is not out of the realm of possibility and it isn't an absolute necessity in order for Moore to be a successful WR for real life or fantasy football. People point out WR's that have had success with Newton and your response is to point out a bunch of JAG's who didn't.
1. I never mentioned combine numbers
Hankmoody said:
You said he was more athletically gifted. If you weren't talking about athletically gifted in terms of speed or other things measured at a combine, what were you talking about? But no, you didn't specifically mention Mike's combine numbers or the combine itself, but when you said he was more athletically gifted it was heavily implied unless you were talking about some other form of athleticism that NFL scouts have chosen to disregard at the combine. The only reason I specifically mentioned the combine is because that's what the studies used to determine that athleticism (beyond the baseline required to play well enough to get invited to the combine) has no correlation to performance... making your questionable statement irrelevant in the hunt for the next great WR.
Right now, DJ Moore heads my list of the potentially elite 2018 rookie WRs. At 6'0 210 with 4.42 speed and YAC ability, he lacks the length of some receivers but has a sturdy frame that should help him be a versatile play-maker. I think we saw some of that as a rookie. Cam is a concern but not a stopper for me. CMC commands a lot of touches but the sheer physical toll of the position should put a ceiling on his touches in the long run.
It's ok that you have your opinion. I just think we are at a point where there isn't a need to discuss it anymore.
