Who's Your #1 RB (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

I would be very happy if someone took Portis with the 1st overall pick in my league and pushed ANY of the big 3 down to me at 2-4. It would seem a great many other FFers feel the same way.

http://xpertsports.com/adp.php

http://www.antsports.com/adp.aspx

http://footballguys.com/currentproj-rb.php

I doubt anyone will take him with that pick. They will trade down. Thas what I did in one draft already and got Portis and Moss because of it.

 

[joffer]

I would be very happy if someone took Portis with the 1st overall pick in my league and pushed ANY of the big 3 down to me at 2-4. It would seem a great many other FFers feel the same way.

http://xpertsports.com/adp.php

http://www.antsports.com/adp.aspx

http://footballguys.com/currentproj-rb.php

in a no-trade league, taking Portis in the top 3 is not a bad pick. he may not be as likely to finish in the top 3 as the others, but he's definitely got a good shot.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

I voted for Alexander. There are all players with great potential. But SA has one thing I don't think any of the others have. He wants the same thing we want. He wants his stats. He loves getting stats. And the coach doesn't want to have SA talk about "stabbing him in the back" again. He will continue to roll up yards in games that are out of hand and whatnot.

 

[The Jacket]

LJ is in a new system

Fiction.

 

[The Jacket]

Sheesh. Enough of this Portis as number 1 nonsense. Yeah he'll be a top 5-8 guy but c'mon.

Saunders is not Midas - he had the personell.

So does Wash.

The Chiefs have 3 Pro Bowl offensive linemen and an offensive line coach (I mean, come on, for christ sake) calling plays.

The Redskins have the personnel? Yeah, to be a nice running team. They don't have the personnel to be a dominant force running the football like the Chiefs were.

People are kidding themselves if they think Al Saunders is going to bump Portis up to #1 surpassing players such as Johnson, Tomlinson and Alexander. Portis, albeit unlikely, may end up as the #1 running back. But it won't be because Al Saunders showed up. Saunders is a passing guy.

The brains behind the rushing game has been and will be Mike Solari. The muscle behind it has been and will be the offensive line and Larry Johnson.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I had to go with LT2 based on consistency and his propensity to rack up points in rushing, receiving AND passing. With a new man under center, I expect even more production in the latter two categories out of LT (maybe not so much in the passing dept., but hey, it's always a nice bonus when he throws one in).

I just don't believe the Hawks will lean on SA as much as they did last season. First off, he had a lot of carries, most in his career and that doesn't take into account his playoff carries. The loss of Hutch cannot be underestimated either.

As for LJ, call it a hunch. Dicky V. was a God in producing fantasy RBs. Gone is his (and Al Saunders) offense. I'm just skeptical, that's all.

 

[Chewyguru]

I put LJ #1

After what he did last year there is just too may signs that he could have a record setting season. He could finish outside the top five anything could happen; but the scenario is lined up for him to be the #1. I put him #1 because of the potential he has to light it up this year.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

 

[Routilla]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

 

[jurb26]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

 

[jurb26]

Sheesh. Enough of this Portis as number 1 nonsense. Yeah he'll be a top 5-8 guy but c'mon.

Saunders is not Midas - he had the personell.

So does Wash.

The Chiefs have 3 Pro Bowl offensive linemen and an offensive line coach (I mean, come on, for christ sake) calling plays.

The Redskins have the personnel? Yeah, to be a nice running team. They don't have the personnel to be a dominant force running the football like the Chiefs were.

People are kidding themselves if they think Al Saunders is going to bump Portis up to #1 surpassing players such as Johnson, Tomlinson and Alexander. Portis, albeit unlikely, may end up as the #1 running back. But it won't be because Al Saunders showed up. Saunders is a passing guy.

The brains behind the rushing game has been and will be Mike Solari. The muscle behind it has been and will be the offensive line and Larry Johnson.

The Cheifs had 2 Pro Bowl Olinemen last year. Roaf and Shields. You just said in another thread how unimportant and disappointing Shields paly was last year.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

 

[jurb26]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

 

[MelvinTScupper]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

 

[jurb26]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

So I'll mark you down for one of the people expecting LJ to touch the ball around 550 times this year.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

So I'll mark you down for one of the people expecting LJ to touch the ball around 550 times this year.

No. You can mark me down that he's as good a pick as LT2, and better than SA, who has a much worse change in the loss of Steve Hutchinson.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors.  Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

So I'll mark you down for one of the people expecting LJ to touch the ball around 550 times this year.

Jurb,It just seems to me that each year there a pocket of guys who predict busts without solid reasons. I believe the motivation for this is the ...I told you so syndrome. It's like throwing a big piece of shiate against a door and hoping some of it sticks. Then saying....."I told you so".

Jurb, for the record.....I don't think you are one of these people. Your usually post quality stuff with a bit sarcasm (Just like me).

For my money...I do not see the running game changing too much in KC. That team is built around the run. LJ will carry the load, but obviously not at the 550 range. I think 330-380 carries is realistic.

LJ as of today is in the best position to be the top producing RB. While nothing is "for sure", I would have no problem taking LJ with the number one pick.

Edit..changed my carries projection.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

It just seems to me that each year there a pocket of guys who predict busts without solid reasons. I believe the motivation for this is the ...I told you so syndrome. It's like throwing a big piece of shiate against a door and hoping some of it sticks. Then saying....."I told you so".

There is a huge difference between predicting someone to bust vs. saying that someone is not the runaway #1 overall pick. Some people feel that legitimate concerns exist with LJ, the major point being the losses of Vermeil and Saunders. I haven't seen too many people saying that he isn't in tier one...Personally, I think that there will be someone in most drafts that is expecting LJ to produce at last year's pace for 16 games, and that person will likely overpay for the #1 overall. I'll be looking to trade down from #1 this year, as I see the top tier as pretty closely bunched.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

It just seems to me that each year there a pocket of guys who predict busts without solid reasons. I believe the motivation for this is the ...I told you so syndrome. It's like throwing a big piece of shiate against a door and hoping some of it sticks. Then saying....."I told you so".

There is a huge difference between predicting someone to bust vs. saying that someone is not the runaway #1 overall pick. Some people feel that legitimate concerns exist with LJ, the major point being the losses of Vermeil and Saunders. I haven't seen too many people saying that he isn't in tier one...Personally, I think that there will be someone in most drafts that is expecting LJ to produce at last year's pace for 16 games, and that person will likely overpay for the #1 overall. I'll be looking to trade down from #1 this year, as I see the top tier as pretty closely bunched.

so you don't feel a rookie QB with no snaps isn't a risk?how about losing an All*Pro player on the side you've run with most success on?

#1, #2, and #3 all have concerns, but they are by far the best RBs in any draft you're in.

 

[jurb26]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors. Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

So I'll mark you down for one of the people expecting LJ to touch the ball around 550 times this year.

Jurb,It just seems to me that each year there a pocket of guys who predict busts without solid reasons. I believe the motivation for this is the ...I told you so syndrome. It's like throwing a big piece of shiate against a door and hoping some of it sticks. Then saying....."I told you so".

Jurb, for the record.....I don't think you are one of these people. Your usually post quality stuff with a bit sarcasm (Just like me).

For my money...I do not see the running game changing too much in KC. That team is built around the run. LJ will carry the load, but obviously not at the 550 range. I think 330-380 carries is realistic.

LJ as of today is in the best position to be the top producing RB. While nothing is "for sure", I would have no problem taking LJ with the number one pick.

Edit..changed my carries projection.

This post makes it clear that you have not done any research what so ever on my position on LJ. Look at the player spotlight thread in which I project:360 carries, 1720 yds, 16 TDs, 48 rec, 510 yds, 2 TDs

Yeah those numbers scream bust huh... Sorry if I'm not expecting the guy to reinvent the wheel or walk on water like many of you would like me too. LJ is a solid top 5 Player this year and I have stated that. Much like last year in the LT debate he is not a clear #1 IMO and I have him at option 3 or 4 overall.

The problem I see is that every year the FF population wants to worship a guy as the next great thing and get far to carried away with both projections and ranking him in reflection to his peers. Last year it was LT. This year it seems to be LJ. Why so many feel the need to adopt some sort of fantasy god is beyond me.

 

[The Jacket]

The Cheifs had 2 Pro Bowl Olinemen last year. Roaf and Shields. You just said in another thread how unimportant and disappointing Shields paly was last year.

Three.Don't try and correct me when you're incorrect yourself.

 

[The Jacket]

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well.

No, Edwards isn't any good at running the ball, is he?Is your shirt splitting at the sides yet? Heck, reach any more and you'll need to raise the ceiling in your house.

 

[jurb26]

The Cheifs had 2 Pro Bowl Olinemen last year. Roaf and Shields. You just said in another thread how unimportant and disappointing Shields paly was last year.

Three.Don't try and correct me when you're incorrect yourself.

http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2005.htm

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

 

[jurb26]

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well.

No, Edwards isn't any good at running the ball, is he?

Yeah thats what I said.

 

[The Jacket]

The Cheifs had 2 Pro Bowl Olinemen last year. Roaf and Shields. You just said in another thread how unimportant and disappointing Shields paly was last year.

Three.Don't try and correct me when you're incorrect yourself.

http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2005.htm

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

Are you illiterate?Tackles (3) Willie Anderson, CIN

Jonathan Ogden, BAL Tarik Glenn, IND##

Willie Roaf, KC

(injured)

Guards (3) Alan Faneca, PIT

Will Shields, KC Brian Waters, KC

 

[jurb26]

Are you illiterate?

Tackles (3) Willie Anderson, CIN

Jonathan Ogden, BAL Tarik Glenn, IND##

Willie Roaf, KC

(injured)

Guards (3) Alan Faneca, PIT

Will Shields, KC Brian Waters, KC

No, but I think you just proved you might be. The 2 sites conflict each other hense the confusion. Profootballreference is the site I always go to first in regards to stats and such. Clearly they don't keep as up to date on Pro Bowls as they do stats. I realize that your a KC homer, but glasses are on a bit thick I would say.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't see anything to lead me to believe LJ will not tear it up this year.

For the LJ detractors.  Help me understand why you DON'T think he will be number 1?

My thoughts exactly. I can only assume many folks who got drilled by LJ in their playoffs last year are still a little queazy.

2 new coaches, the loss of his FB, injury concerns to the Oline or Green and inflated stats towards the end of the year due to fresh legs are all things to worry about with Johnson.

The new coach loves to run - quashedThe loss of his fullback is valid, but his one back sets he didn't exactly struggle

injury concerns are stupid, everyone has those - quashed

Just because new coach loves to run the ball does not mean he does it as well. They lost both HC and OC. Play calling will change, your being nieve if you think otherwise. How much is the real question. Its not just about injuries to LJ's Oline, this offence is getting old in a hurry and you have to also worry about them maintaining their level of play IMO ( think Oak Raiders a few years ago). You never touched his extreme and unrealistic workload during the second half of the season. No thoughts?

Unrealistic? Hmmmm, where were his injuries last year? Who's being naive now? Why don't you just predict an injury and get it over with.

So I'll mark you down for one of the people expecting LJ to touch the ball around 550 times this year.

Jurb,It just seems to me that each year there a pocket of guys who predict busts without solid reasons. I believe the motivation for this is the ...I told you so syndrome. It's like throwing a big piece of shiate against a door and hoping some of it sticks. Then saying....."I told you so".

Jurb, for the record.....I don't think you are one of these people. Your usually post quality stuff with a bit sarcasm (Just like me).

For my money...I do not see the running game changing too much in KC. That team is built around the run. LJ will carry the load, but obviously not at the 550 range. I think 330-380 carries is realistic.

LJ as of today is in the best position to be the top producing RB. While nothing is "for sure", I would have no problem taking LJ with the number one pick.

Edit..changed my carries projection.

This post makes it clear that you have not done any research what so ever on my position on LJ. Look at the player spotlight thread in which I project:360 carries, 1720 yds, 16 TDs, 48 rec, 510 yds, 2 TDs

Yeah those numbers scream bust huh... Sorry if I'm not expecting the guy to reinvent the wheel or walk on water like many of you would like me too. LJ is a solid top 5 Player this year and I have stated that. Much like last year in the LT debate he is not a clear #1 IMO and I have him at option 3 or 4 overall.

The problem I see is that every year the FF population wants to worship a guy as the next great thing and get far to carried away with both projections and ranking him in reflection to his peers. Last year it was LT. This year it seems to be LJ. Why so many feel the need to adopt some sort of fantasy god is beyond me.

You are correct. I did no research on your position on LJ, nor did I specifically say you said "bust". My projections are higher for LJ but whatever. The simple point I am trying to make is that some people like to disagree just for the sake of being different.Again....I'm just generalizing. Perhaps my usage of the word bust should have read he will "perform at lower levels than his current ADP suggests." I believe he will be deserving of the first pick.

 

[jurb26]

You are correct. I did no research on your position on LJ, nor did I specifically say you said "bust". My projections are higher for LJ but whatever. The simple point I am trying to make is that some people like to disagree just for the sake of being different.

Again....I'm just generalizing. Perhaps my usage of the word bust should have read he will "perform at lower levels than his current ADP suggests." I believe he will be deserving of the first pick.

Even if he only puts up the numbers I project (which are well below what others seem to think) he is worth a 1st overall selection. I happen to like a few other guys a little more (LT and Portis). I kinda have LJ and SA as a flip flop at 3-4 Thats what makes this fun.

 

[The Jacket]

The 2 sites conflict each other hense the confusion.

Then find a source that doesn't conflict.If that's too difficult for you, I'd suggest going with the official NFL website.

I realize that your a KC homer, but glasses are on a bit thick I would say.

If that's your way of saying, "sorry, you were right and I was wrong - the Chiefs had three Pro Bowl offensive linemen, not two", then I accept your apology.Gotta love the old homer line, though. Funny that people actually think it still covers up mistakes. Oh, I screwed up and look like an idiot - perhaps I'll call someone a homer and it'll go away!

 

[jurb26]

The 2 sites conflict each other hense the confusion.

Then find a source that doesn't conflict.If that's too difficult for you, I'd suggest going with the official NFL website.

I realize that your a KC homer, but glasses are on a bit thick I would say.

If that's your way of saying, "sorry, you were right and I was wrong - the Chiefs had three Pro Bowl offensive linemen, not two", then I accept your apology.Gotta love the old homer line, though. Funny that people actually think it still covers up mistakes. Oh, I screwed up and look like an idiot - perhaps I'll call someone a homer and it'll go away!

I only went to the NFL site after you said the info was incorrect. Again, this is why I said I go to profootballreference 1st. I appologize for posting the wrong info in that regard.Yes, you seem like homer and I would say a bit unrealistic in you passion for LJ and the Chiefs. You did project 27 TDs for the guy and call it "conservative." The NFL record is 28 for crying out loud. You have continually twisted peoples words in KC threads on top of that. Sorry if that has pegged you as having KC glasses on to me, but it does.

 

[The Jacket]

You have continually twisted peoples words in KC threads on top of that.

No, I just selected the relevant information. I didn't take quotes of importance out of context.

Sorry if that has pegged you as having KC glasses on to me, but it does.

I'm glad for you. Sorry if you're pegged as an illiterate homer-hater with bad sources.

 

[Routilla]

QUOTE(jurb26

[/quote)The problem I see is that every year the FF population wants to worship a guy as the next great thing and get far to carried away with both projections and ranking him in reflection to his peers. Last year it was LT. This year it seems to be LJ. Why so many feel the need to adopt some sort of fantasy god is beyond me.

I've seen some folks do this in regards to Portis as well. To each his own I guess.