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Why do we keep putting up with the South? (2 Viewers)

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth
New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
Well, for example, my exact same job in the exact same company living in NY pays 10% more in NYC, however, cost of living was 20-25% higher in NYC. For me, that translates to a net cut in money for me. Sheer volume of jobs, you're absolutely correct. Not sure how meaningful that is though.
Well for just you it isn't. When we are arguing, oh I don't know, relative strength and weaknesses of huge regions of the country (hint: that's what we are doing) then aggregating number of jobs would probably be an important stat.
 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth
New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.
There is way more to the music and food of the South than New Orleans.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
If it costs twice as much to live there getting paid twice as much isn't all that impressive.
This.

And in the case of a place like NYC, you live in an apartment the size of a shoebox and/or have and 1.5 hour commute.

 
:lmao: Ok Commish. Keep chipping away. Is there anything you'll concede to the North?
Banking for certain. Quantity as well. What I love about the North is the diversity. You can find all kinds of people everywhere. That's something missing here in the south that needs to be here IMO. I also conceded private institutions of higher learning. Hard to argue against the likes of Harvard, Yale, etc. There's plenty. I just think one word answers to these questions are silly, that's all.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
Well, for example, my exact same job in the exact same company living in NY pays 10% more in NYC, however, cost of living was 20-25% higher in NYC. For me, that translates to a net cut in money for me. Sheer volume of jobs, you're absolutely correct. Not sure how meaningful that is though.
Well for just you it isn't. When we are arguing, oh I don't know, relative strength and weaknesses of huge regions of the country (hint: that's what we are doing) then aggregating number of jobs would probably be an important stat.
Okay. When nine of the top 15 cities for jobs in the U.S. are in the South and One is in the Northeast/Midwest, what does that tell you?

 
Missouri part of the north? Sure....

No rebel flags, n-words, or rednecks in MO.
Missouri was a divided state. Men went to both sides. They had a star on both flags. And there was an interstate war between the two sides during the Civil War.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth
New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.
Not just NO. The musical heritage from the south that contributed to Rock is a huge win for Dixie.
 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
Well, for example, my exact same job in the exact same company living in NY pays 10% more in NYC, however, cost of living was 20-25% higher in NYC. For me, that translates to a net cut in money for me. Sheer volume of jobs, you're absolutely correct. Not sure how meaningful that is though.
Well for just you it isn't. When we are arguing, oh I don't know, relative strength and weaknesses of huge regions of the country (hint: that's what we are doing) then aggregating number of jobs would probably be an important stat.
Okay. When nine of the top 15 cities for jobs in the U.S. are in the South and One is in the Northeast/Midwest, what does that tell you?
Where are a majority of Americans employed? Where are the majority of jobs? Economic activity? I understand that the South is growing and faster that the North. In 30 years it may have flipped. But for now, the North still has the lead in economic categories.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth
New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.
Not just NO. The musical heritage from the south that contributed to Rock is a huge win for Dixie.
so we're debating which was better 100 years ago or which produces more quality now? I don't really know which is better in terms of music so I'll concede the point.

 
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Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
Well, for example, my exact same job in the exact same company living in NY pays 10% more in NYC, however, cost of living was 20-25% higher in NYC. For me, that translates to a net cut in money for me. Sheer volume of jobs, you're absolutely correct. Not sure how meaningful that is though.
Well for just you it isn't. When we are arguing, oh I don't know, relative strength and weaknesses of huge regions of the country (hint: that's what we are doing) then aggregating number of jobs would probably be an important stat.
You mean like the link that Henry Ford just posted??

 
You guys see what happens when you try to be reasonable and measured?!??? I'm getting it from both sides. #### you all. Now I know what Lincoln felt like right before the Civil War.

 
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Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South
About a year ago, I was looking for a change in jobs. Found that pay was higher in the south when compared to cost of living. Not sure "jobs" is all that clear.
Where is the majority of high-paying jobs? Not just your experience. NY/Chi beat any cities in the South for number of jobs.
Well, for example, my exact same job in the exact same company living in NY pays 10% more in NYC, however, cost of living was 20-25% higher in NYC. For me, that translates to a net cut in money for me. Sheer volume of jobs, you're absolutely correct. Not sure how meaningful that is though.
Well for just you it isn't. When we are arguing, oh I don't know, relative strength and weaknesses of huge regions of the country (hint: that's what we are doing) then aggregating number of jobs would probably be an important stat.
Okay. When nine of the top 15 cities for jobs in the U.S. are in the South and One is in the Northeast/Midwest, what does that tell you?
Where are a majority of Americans employed? Where are the majority of jobs? Economic activity?I understand that the South is growing and faster that the North. In 30 years it may have flipped. But for now, the North still has the lead in economic categories.
In GDP, yes, but if you're trying to go get a job, which is what individuals care about, the South is a much better bet right now.

 
You guys see what happens when you try to be reasonable and measured?!??? I'm getting it from both sides. #### you all. Now I know what Lincoln felt like right before the Civil War.
Walk on left: okay. Walk on right: okay. Walk in middle: squish. Just like grape.

 
Missouri part of the north? Sure....

No rebel flags, n-words, or rednecks in MO.
Missouri was a divided state. Men went to both sides. They had a star on both flags. And there was an interstate war between the two sides during the Civil War.
Yes, I know the history. Let's get real. Nobody travels through Missouri and associates it with the north.

 
You guys see what happens when you try to be reasonable and measured?!??? I'm getting it from both sides. #### you all. Now I know what Lincoln felt like right before the Civil War.
:cry:
Leave the Northerner alone. They like to cry before they drink. I know it's weird.
I gave you music, food, weather. Why must you keep hurting me Hank?
I'm defending you. Let it all out.

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.
The jobs thing doesn't ring true to me. Granted I live in Atlanta, but all I know is that people are flocking from everywhere to Atlanta, Charlotte, Texas...for jobs.

 
Suppose you are a Young Earth Creationist and you don't want your kids heads brainwashed with all that science stuff. Which region will you feel more comfortable in?

 
As a native Californian who has lived sixteen years in the South and nine years in the North, I feel like I can be somewhat objective about this debate.

Weather: South

White Collar Jobs: North

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: North

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): South

Hotness of women (median): North

Now, if we were to add the West into the mix:

Weather: West

White Collar Jobs: West

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: West

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): West

Hotness of women (median): West

 
Suppose you're sick of all these states giving gay people the right to marry each other and you want to move somewhere where you KNOW it's never gonna happen. Which direction are you heading?

 
Suppose you are a Young Earth Creationist and you don't want your kids heads brainwashed with all that science stuff. Which region will you feel more comfortable in?
Suppose you don't want to have your kid shot walking to school.

Suppose you're sick of all these states giving gay people the right to marry each other and you want to move somewhere where you KNOW it's never gonna happen. Which direction are you heading?
Wait two months, for the ruling in Louisiana. It's going to happen everywhere, and everyone knows it.

 
I think one point that must be made is that the hot girls in the South are super, super, hot. But once you get out of that top quartile, things go downhill quickly. That's why I think the category had to be broken out (unless we include the West, in which case they sweep the category). But one other point to be made is that the guys aren't as good looking in the South. So in terms of outkicking your coverage, the South wins. So many average looking dudes pulling down smoking hot chicks here. Dads, send your boys to school at University of Texas (or any of the big SEC schools). They'll thank you later.

 
Suppose you don't want your son to watch The Bachelorette, but you do want him to know the name of the All-American QB from UGA?

 
Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.
The jobs thing doesn't ring true to me. Granted I live in Atlanta, but all I know is that people are flocking from everywhere to Atlanta, Charlotte, Texas...for jobs.
The growth in Nashville is there as well.

 

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