Why do we keep putting up with the South? (1 Viewer)

[Village Idiot]

Sounds like everyone wishes they were in the mid-atlantic.

I wish I was back home in Cleveland instead of Tenneessee but that's because I was born and raised in Cleveland.

I note that throughout the 5 pages of this thread, nobody has offered a single positive about the state of Mississippi. Is there one?

I always laugh at the "Mississippi tourism" ads I used to hear on the radio.

Seriously, it's an odd state. I've heard Natchez is an interesting town, though I've never made it there.

Just a really poor state. Very little money, and that feeds on itself and leads to bad schooling, etc.

But it's not as if the OP's feelings toward the south can be summarized in Mississippi. Yes, there are a lot of rednecks there. But the state is also 37% black too. Basically it's a state of poor people, no big towns, a lack of great jobs, terrible schools, etc.

The Hooters in Horn Lake has some hot chicks.

That's all I've got.

 

[TPW]

mr roboto, on 15 Jul 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth

If there was some way to take Wall Street and the mercantile exchanges out of the equation I really would like to see how they stacked up. New York and Chicago get credit for billions of dollars of economic activity which in fact originate from wealth generated in other areas of the nation and around the world.

 

[dgreen]

Plenty of diversity in the South. A higher % of the population in the North is White than in the South. And, the South has a higher % of their population who are Black or Hispanic (the two major groups in the U.S. after White). Asians are a growing group, but a distant 4th, and the North has more than the South.

Now, whether the groups actually interact with eachother? I'd guess it's more likely that Northerners have friends of various backgrounds than Southerners.

 

[Henry Ford]

Suppose you want your kids to go to the least segregated schools you can find. Which direction do you head?

North. Definitely not West (unless Asians=diversity).

Really? The local schools in South Louisiana here have a lot of African-American, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian kids. Are there a lot of Native American kids in the North?

 

[bigbottom]

Suppose you want your kids to go to the least segregated schools you can find. Which direction do you head?

North. Definitely not West (unless Asians=diversity).

Really? The local schools in South Louisiana here have a lot of African-American, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian kids. Are there a lot of Native American kids in the North?

I guess I was considering the urban/rural divide which is more stark in the South than in the North (or Northeast).

 

[East Coast Bias]

Suppose you want your kids to go to the least segregated schools you can find. Which direction do you head?

North. Definitely not West (unless Asians=diversity).

Really? The local schools in South Louisiana here have a lot of African-American, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian kids. Are there a lot of Native American kids in the North?

I meant to write most segregated and the answer would be the North. Maybe that's how he read it.

 

[timschochet]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

 

[Henry Ford]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

New Jersey. It's the only state where it isn't a criminal act.

Any of the states in the Deep South, you can get life in prison.

 

[dozer]

Missouri part of the north? Sure....

No rebel flags, n-words, or rednecks in MO.

Wait, are you implying that there are no racists in the north?

LOL

Thank you.

Not at all. But Missouri has more rebel flags used as curtains than Alabama.

 

[Todd Andrews]

As a native Californian who has lived sixteen years in the South and nine years in the North, I feel like I can be somewhat objective about this debate.

Weather: South

White Collar Jobs: North

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: North

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): South

Hotness of women (median): North

KooKs: South

Now, if we were to add the West into the mix:

Weather: West

White Collar Jobs: West

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: West

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): West

Hotness of women (median): West

KooKs: South

Fixed that for you.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Suppose you want your kids to go to the least segregated schools you can find. Which direction do you head?

North. Definitely not West (unless Asians=diversity).

Really? The local schools in South Louisiana here have a lot of African-American, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian kids. Are there a lot of Native American kids in the North?

That depends. Do people offended by the Redskins count?

 

[NCCommish]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

As already mentioned there is only one state in the union where incest is legal. It isn't in the south.

 

[The Commish]

Suppose you're sick of all these states giving gay people the right to marry each other and you want to move somewhere where you KNOW it's never gonna happen. Which direction are you heading?

out of the country It's going to happen everywhere. you're a terrible fisherman. they need you in the border thread. go back over there please.

 

[Thunderlips]

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth

New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.

Hating snow is overrated. Oppressive summer weather is as bad as oppressive winter weather.

 

[Henry Ford]

Suppose you want your kids to go to the least segregated schools you can find. Which direction do you head?

North. Definitely not West (unless Asians=diversity).

Really? The local schools in South Louisiana here have a lot of African-American, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian kids. Are there a lot of Native American kids in the North?

That depends. Do people offended by the Redskins count?

If they're Native American, they do.

 

[dgreen]

Missouri part of the north? Sure....

No rebel flags, n-words, or rednecks in MO.

Wait, are you implying that there are no racists in the north?

LOL

Thank you.

Not at all. But Missouri has more rebel flags used as curtains than Alabama.

Well, yeah, because no self-respecting Alabaman would be so disrespectful and treat the flag in such a way.

 

[Henry Ford]

If you live someone that "porch" isn't a verb, you're doing it wrong.

 

[dgreen]

The South was already totally owning this thread and now there's the added bonus of tim arguing for the North. Let's lock this one up.

 

[NCCommish]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

 

[Parrothead]

breaking the US up by time zones would make a more interesting debate..

EST vs CST vs MST vs PST

 

[Thunderlips]

Plenty of diversity in the South. A higher % of the population in the North is White than in the South. And, the South has a higher % of their population who are Black or Hispanic (the two major groups in the U.S. after White). Asians are a growing group, but a distant 4th, and the North has more than the South.

Now, whether the groups actually interact with eachother? I'd guess it's more likely that Northerners have friends of various backgrounds than Southerners.

Isn't the diversity in the North partly based on the different Caucasian ethnic enclaves that still permeate the North? Northerners still celebrate Irish/Italian/German/Polish American heritages.

 

[Henry Ford]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

You mean like New York, which has the second highest percentage of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills in the country? Second to California?

 

[The Commish]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

Note: NCC said the UNC system is one of the best...and he's right, but he's talking about the whole system...not just UNC-CH

 

[Rick James]

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth

New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.

Hating snow is overrated. Oppressive summer weather is as bad as oppressive winter weather.

My wife has family in Michigan. Their summers are just as bad as ours (in Georgia). Only difference is we don't get 30 feet of snow.

 

[Henry Ford]

Plenty of diversity in the South. A higher % of the population in the North is White than in the South. And, the South has a higher % of their population who are Black or Hispanic (the two major groups in the U.S. after White). Asians are a growing group, but a distant 4th, and the North has more than the South.

Now, whether the groups actually interact with eachother? I'd guess it's more likely that Northerners have friends of various backgrounds than Southerners.

Isn't the diversity in the North partly based on the different Caucasian ethnic enclaves that still permeate the North? Northerners still celebrate Irish/Italian/German/Polish American heritages.

So do Southerners. They just don't hate the other heritages while they do it. Which is why there's an annual Irish-Italian Parade, for instance.

 

[Thunderlips]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

How much has the South improved since Northerners started coming there? Kind of ironic that Southerners are calling it a victory when they're more or less being colonized by the North.

 

[dgreen]

Plenty of diversity in the South. A higher % of the population in the North is White than in the South. And, the South has a higher % of their population who are Black or Hispanic (the two major groups in the U.S. after White). Asians are a growing group, but a distant 4th, and the North has more than the South.

Now, whether the groups actually interact with eachother? I'd guess it's more likely that Northerners have friends of various backgrounds than Southerners.

Isn't the diversity in the North partly based on the different Caucasian ethnic enclaves that still permeate the North? Northerners still celebrate Irish/Italian/German/Polish American heritages.

Yes, I'd guess there's more diversity within the White category in the North.

 

[NCCommish]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

You mean like New York, which has the second highest percentage of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills in the country? Second to California?

Yes I do.

 

[Thunderlips]

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth

New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.

Hating snow is overrated. Oppressive summer weather is as bad as oppressive winter weather.

My wife has family in Michigan. Their summers are just as bad as ours (in Georgia). Only difference is we don't get 30 feet of snow.

Hating snow is overrated. Snow's nice.

 

[Politician Spock]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

As already mentioned there is only one state in the union where incest is legal. It isn't in the south.

NCCommish: Germans?

Spock: Forget it. He's on a roll.

 

[Henry Ford]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

How much has the South improved since Northerners started coming there? Kind of ironic that Southerners are calling it a victory when they're more or less being colonized by the North.

Assimilation, not colonization.

 

[sho nuff]

Sounds like everyone wishes they were in the mid-atlantic.

I wish I was back home in Cleveland instead of Tenneessee but that's because I was born and raised in Cleveland.

I note that throughout the 5 pages of this thread, nobody has offered a single positive about the state of Mississippi. Is there one?

I always laugh at the "Mississippi tourism" ads I used to hear on the radio.

Seriously, it's an odd state. I've heard Natchez is an interesting town, though I've never made it there.

Just a really poor state. Very little money, and that feeds on itself and leads to bad schooling, etc.

But it's not as if the OP's feelings toward the south can be summarized in Mississippi. Yes, there are a lot of rednecks there. But the state is also 37% black too. Basically it's a state of poor people, no big towns, a lack of great jobs, terrible schools, etc.

The Hooters in Horn Lake has some hot chicks.

That's all I've got.

Tunica can be fun.

Enjoyed a few weeks at Diamond Head in Bay St. Louis.

 

[NCCommish]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

Note: NCC said the UNC system is one of the best...and he's right, but he's talking about the whole system...not just UNC-CH

Yes the whole system but UNC-Charlotte has some very cutting edge stuff going on. Big into robotics for example. They need a med school though.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Only difference is we don't get 30 feet of snow.

that's a huge negative imo.

snow rules

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

aren't the bugs in the South like 5x as big as the ones in the North?

 

[Henry Ford]

aren't the bugs in the South like 5x as big as the ones in the North?

Yep. And the roaches fly.

 

[bigbottom]

As a native Californian who has lived sixteen years in the South and nine years in the North, I feel like I can be somewhat objective about this debate.

Weather: South

White Collar Jobs: North

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: North

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): South

Hotness of women (median): North

KooKs: South

Now, if we were to add the West into the mix:

Weather: West

White Collar Jobs: West

Blue Collar Jobs: South

Pay: West

Cost of Living: South

Taxes: South

Traffic: South

Education (K-12): North

Higher Education: North

Arts and Culture: North

Food: South

Music: South

Friendliness of People: South

Hotness of Women (top quartile): West

Hotness of women (median): West

KooKs: South

Fixed that for you.

I don't disagree.

 

[sho nuff]

Weather - South

Education - North

Jobs - North

Food - South

Arts and Fine Culture - North

Music - South

Economic Output - North

I feel like when you are productive (ie young-middle age) the North is better. Better to raise a family, get a job etc. But as you retire, all the arrows point to the South.Oth

New Orleans carrying the whole South for food and music? Take them out, and I'm not sure it's particularly close for those categories.

I haven't been following the thread. Weather seems pretty subjective. You couldn't pay me to live in the South, but I love snow and hate extreme heat. YMMV.

Hating snow is overrated. Oppressive summer weather is as bad as oppressive winter weather.

My wife has family in Michigan. Their summers are just as bad as ours (in Georgia). Only difference is we don't get 30 feet of snow.

BS.

I am from Wisconsin...pretty similar to Michigan. Live In TN now.

Summers here are worse and last longer...winters there are way worse and last longer.

Ask them how their summer up there has been so far and they will say how "cold" it has been. This after a terrible winter.

Do they have warm and humid weeks up there? Yes, but not for nearly as long as its hot and humid in the south.

 

[Henry Ford]

I don't disagree.

I don't know - the North gets O'Reilly, Hannity, and Coulter.

 

[sho nuff]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

How much has the South improved since Northerners started coming there? Kind of ironic that Southerners are calling it a victory when they're more or less being colonized by the North.

If the north was so good...why are all the northerners coming to the south?

 

[bigbottom]

Suppose you're sick of all these states giving gay people the right to marry each other and you want to move somewhere where you KNOW it's never gonna happen. Which direction are you heading?

out of the country It's going to happen everywhere. you're a terrible fisherman. they need you in the border thread. go back over there please.

It was an okay attempt, but when you're on the lake with Otis, your casts will appear amateurish at best.

 

[The Commish]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

Note: NCC said the UNC system is one of the best...and he's right, but he's talking about the whole system...not just UNC-CH

Yes the whole system but UNC-Charlotte has some very cutting edge stuff going on. Big into robotics for example. They need a med school though.

Yup. It's really amazing what that campus has turned into even since I left. My wife would love for a med school to open up there. I've heard rumblings from people, but that's about it. Winthrop isn't cutting it as a "research" facility for her and with the president firing recently, doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon.

 

[bigbottom]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

You're going to stack UNC up against all the Ivys? Come on.

 

[Greggity]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

How much has the South improved since Northerners started coming there? Kind of ironic that Southerners are calling it a victory when they're more or less being colonized by the North.

If the north was so good...why are all the northerners coming to the south?

Because the north is lame, they wont be happy until they make the south lame as well..

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

aren't the bugs in the South like 5x as big as the ones in the North?

Yep. And the roaches fly.

They can also bite. And they big large nests under old trees and houses. Fun.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

Australia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10958728/Australian-judge-says-incest-may-no-longer-be-a-taboo.html

 

[dgreen]

So when Otis arrives (probably still on his way to work), he'll want to compare the top cities again. Nothing in the South is going to beat NYC, so we should just throw Jacksonville at it and take the L. I assume he'll launch Chicago 2nd. That's also a tough matchup, so we can go with Little Rock and take another L. After that, I think we can start using our good cities (DC, Miami, NO, Nashville, etc.) and get a few Ws. It's going to be tough to win the Cities battle, but we can make a good effort.

If we get down to smaller cities, Charleston and Savannah are going to kick ###.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

You're going to stack UNC up against all the Ivys? Come on.

The Ivys are overrated. 8 schools, take out Brown, which is a joke, that leaves 7 (and Cornell is a close call). UNC, Duke, Vandy, UT, Tulane, Rice, UVA are all in that class (or better).

 

[bigbottom]

I am going to disagree with BB on the education thing. There are some really, really good schools in the south. UNC is one of the best public systems in the country as one example. And be careful with the broadbrush on k-12. Lots of really good school systems in the south. Obviously some bad ones as well. But people might be surprised at some of the northern states that lose the literacy race to southern states.

How much has the South improved since Northerners started coming there? Kind of ironic that Southerners are calling it a victory when they're more or less being colonized by the North.

And the West. Good point.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Suppose you love family. You love family so much that when it's time to marry, what could be more natural than hooking up with somebody you've known forever? But some communities might scorn you for such a liaison. You need to find somewhere that is warm and accepting, where the term "in-bred" is not spoken of in disdain, but as a source of pride. Where can you go?

Delaware.