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Again, you are caching your response with sarcasm and really providing nothing to support your disagreement with the premise of this thread. You are clearly aware of the silliness of your response so I am wondering if you are really getting anything out of this thread or if you just like the attention that responses to your posts provide you. I hope that is not the case because that would be quite sad.
I think you are exactly right, that the Cowboys and Romo by extension, get a whole more attention then they necessarily should for the modest amount of success they have had recently. People love the Cowboys and people hate the Cowboys, therefore they generate ratings. Romo, as QB, gets the same over-coverage by the media. Since he did have some bad performances in big games the media's story becomes "Can Tony Romo overcome his history of choking in big games". This feeds the haters and angers the supporters and ultimately drives interest, whether that is a correct interpretation of his career or not. The media is not doing anything with Tony Romo that they don't do with any other story. They take the angle that generates the most interest to make money off of it. It is not a witch hunt, and it is not exclusive to Tony Romo. It just comes with the territory of being Dallas' QB.
"Where we disagree is how much negative attention vs. positive attention he gets"Manster said:
Unlike last week when he played at home against the worst pass defense in the NFL, and put up a whopping 9.9 fantasy points?meatwad1 said:
If you don't care then why did you just type multiple paragraphs about the team and Romo?"Where we disagree is how much negative attention vs. positive attention he gets"Really? Tony Romo gets bashed more than Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Vick, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Palmer, Eli, Schaub, Alex Smith, and the great punching bag of the season RGIII?Manster said:
Almost all of whom, by the way, have been in a playoff game within the last 4 years.
"What is irritating is the irrational lambasting of Romo, while the other players seem to get a pass....."
What "irrational lambasting" has he endured? Show the articles, link to the analysis and then compare them to any of the other names I listed above. You make wild claims but you haven't really brought anything to prove there is a media bias against Tony Romo. Does he get covered more? Sure, but that alone is not bias.
But you also stated "while the other players seem to get a pass....." What QBs get a pass exactly? You mean like Flacco, Roethlisberger, and Eli? Or Schaub, RGIII or Vick? Or are you referring to the Pass that Sanchez got last week, while not only dismantling the Cowboys on national TV but also having to endure the endless mentions of "Butt Fumble" all week.
Or lets take the "pass" that RGIII is getting. His team is 3-9, terrible and going nowhere. He is benched for a third string journeyman, will likely be traded all the while the Redskins are the most covered 3-9 team in history...(other than the Cowboys of course) But that is a "pass"?
Flacco is mocked as "elite" for his crazy contract.
Dalton is described as "Good Andy Dalton" or "Bad Andy Dalton".
Cutler is a pouter who wont finish a title game.
Palmer is a "soft So Cal" guy
Vick kills dogs.
Roethlisberger rapes women.
Eli, well, he throws interceptions.
Smith is a first round bust, and on and on.....
The sad truth is Romo is playing in the shadow of great franchise QBs and he simply isn't up to the task. The Media just can't accept that America's Team simply has not been good for some time. But they go where the ratings are and then have to come up with the story lines. However, Dallas isn't the only team that is overhyped.
The Redskins are in the same boat and America pays the price for having to endure these two miserable franchises on prime time year after year.
But don't mistake 'hate" for "fear" of the Cowboys as the type of "cool" hate as say for Duke, the Yankees or other "successful" teams. No, the Cowboys are hated because having that team shoved down our throats at every opportunity is like forcing the nation to watch Jacksonville. And this is the hard part for Cowboy fans to swallow. NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT YOUR TEAM!! No really, we don't. They don't strike fear into any other fan base. It has been over 20 years since they ate playoff wins for breakfast and drank Division Championships like Orange Juice. The only hearts they have broken are their own fans.
Romo isn't hated/feared the way Rodgers or Brady are and why should he be? A 1-3 playoff record only frightens the Cowboy Fan Base. Jim Kelly lost more Super Bowls than Romo's entire playoff career appearances. Romo is simply a likeable dufus. He isn't threatening, but he plays hard and is tough. He is our generation's Archie Manning, a fun quarterback to watch, but stuck on the wrong team. In many ways, Romo is almost viewed as separate from the Cowboys franchise. He is looked upon almost sympathetically, like that friend or brother who is stuck in a bad marriage and everyone knows it.
My personal bias is as a fan of good football. My personal team has been a irrelevant franchise for over a decade and I would not wish them upon the national stage because good people deserve better.
Dallas has jumped the shark to become the "Notre Dame" of the NFL long ago.
"Your hatred for the Cowboys is clouding your vision"
See here is the rub. I don't personally "hate" Dallas. I am bored by them. I am bored by the media worship of Dallas and other undeserved franchises, but as I stated above, Dallas offers no competitive threat for fans to bother getting upset over anyways. Again, my team has been irrelevant for so long now that I don't really "hate" teams anymore. I've grown past it. I now simply admire franchises like Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay. I root for teams like Cleveland that are just starting to climb out of their mire while I admire New England for their great run, just as admired Dallas' great run from Landry through Jimmy Johnson. I enjoy watching great players like J Charles, Manning, Gronk etc.
this is one of the funniest stats they have come up with. So you mean he had his team losing in a lot of 4th quarters right? Is that a good stat? it is amazing he is above guys like Peyton and Brady in this stat, maybe it is because they do not let their teams fall behind and enter a 4th Q losing?
I've thought the same thing myself. A better stat might be 4th quarter comeback percentage. What percent of the time did you rally your team when they trailed in the 4th quarter.
Somehow I doubt that Tony Romo was the only thing that cost you, and them, a playoff spot.
I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
Well maybe if he wasn't such an ######## Romo would throw it to him. I didn't see Cole Beasley blowing up at all year when the ball wasn't going his way and it's probably impacting his earning potential as well.I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
Are you really comparing Cole Beasley to Dez Bryant? #####ing or not, Dez is an phenomenal player that should be fed. Like I said earlier, on the 44 yarder, that should've been 6. But Dez had to bail Romo out because of a poor throw. If that's Cole Beasley, that's a pick. As far as whining and #####ing, let's not act like this is something new. Weather it be football, basketball, baseball, or whatever, the great ones want the ball at all times no matter the score or situation.Well maybe if he wasn't such an ######## Romo would throw it to him. I didn't see Cole Beasley blowing up at all year when the ball wasn't going his way and it's probably impacting his earning potential as well.I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
There are comparisons. Both are male professional football players who rely on production to dictate future salary. I love watching Dez throw his fits, he's too stupid to realize that it's the fits that cost him money.Are you really comparing Cole Beasley to Dez Bryant? #####ing or not, Dez is an phenomenal player that should be fed. Like I said earlier, on the 44 yarder, that should've been 6. But Dez had to bail Romo out because of a poor throw. If that's Cole Beasley, that's a pick. As far as whining and #####ing, let's not act like this is something new. Weather it be football, basketball, baseball, or whatever, the great ones want the ball at all times no matter the score or situation.Well maybe if he wasn't such an ######## Romo would throw it to him. I didn't see Cole Beasley blowing up at all year when the ball wasn't going his way and it's probably impacting his earning potential as well.I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
If you were on your job negotiating a new salary with management, and a coworker does something that limits your ability to show management you deserve a higher salary; would you not blow up if you knew you were one of the top 5 persons in the WORLD to do your job? If you wouldn't, your a much better man than me. I would be acting much worse than Bryant.
One other point. Romo has received his big "set for life" contact. Dez is trying to get his. And Dez is near the top of his position skill wise, while Romo would be lucky to be in the upper middle of his.
I doubt that. you can't hide talent. Everyone knows Dez is an elite WR and he will have no shortage of high-dollar suitors should he become a FA.I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
Hahaha...Ok if you want call that a comparison. Cole Beasley is lucky to be in the league and would be absolutely ecstatic to make the league minimum for the next 5 years. I can understand Bryant's frustration when I see other QB/WR combos with absolute confidence in each other. Manning to Thomas, Brady to Gronk, Stafford to Johnson, Brees to Graham, Rothlisberger to Brown, Ryan to Julio, etc. With these QBs, if there's one on one coverage, the cornerback better be Revis. Cause if it's not, they're going to attack you relentlessly until you roll the coverage to stop them. And even then, sometimes that's not enough to stop them from going to their stud. Romo to Bryant should be in this group as well, but for some reason Romo (or it could be the coaching staff) seems to be afraid to attack that way. You saw it on the TD to Escobar. Dez was singled up on some nobody cornerback. Romo looked his way, quickly left, and jittered around for a while before Escobar got free in the back of the endzone. Now cudos for the TD, but that should have been a no brainer to Bryant without a second thought. Being a Saints fan, when Brees gets deep into the redzone and Graham is split out wide in single coverage; you know EXACTLY what's coming with out fail. and most times you aren't going to stop it.There are comparisons. Both are male professional football players who rely on production to dictate future salary. I love watching Dez throw his fits, he's too stupid to realize that it's the fits that cost him money.Are you really comparing Cole Beasley to Dez Bryant? #####ing or not, Dez is an phenomenal player that should be fed. Like I said earlier, on the 44 yarder, that should've been 6. But Dez had to bail Romo out because of a poor throw. If that's Cole Beasley, that's a pick. As far as whining and #####ing, let's not act like this is something new. Weather it be football, basketball, baseball, or whatever, the great ones want the ball at all times no matter the score or situation.Well maybe if he wasn't such an ######## Romo would throw it to him. I didn't see Cole Beasley blowing up at all year when the ball wasn't going his way and it's probably impacting his earning potential as well.I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
If you were on your job negotiating a new salary with management, and a coworker does something that limits your ability to show management you deserve a higher salary; would you not blow up if you knew you were one of the top 5 persons in the WORLD to do your job? If you wouldn't, your a much better man than me. I would be acting much worse than Bryant.
One other point. Romo has received his big "set for life" contact. Dez is trying to get his. And Dez is near the top of his position skill wise, while Romo would be lucky to be in the upper middle of his.
I agree with you that there will be many high dollar suitors. But there's a difference between high dollar and maximum dollar. And when you're at the top of you're profession, you don't want high dollar. You want every dollar you could get. And to get maximum dollars you need to show both skill and production.I doubt that. you can't hide talent. Everyone knows Dez is an elite WR and he will have no shortage of high-dollar suitors should he become a FA.I also saw Dez very happily animated last night when Beasley and Escobar were catching TDs. I think he just wants to win. period. He's not the same guy we saw acting immaturely a few years ago. He used to whine. Now he is just passionate and pumping teams up. It may be selective in what they show on the sound bites but these days, when they show them, I never hear him whining, I hear him saying things like "Good job, great effort. That's how we do it" or, if they are down "Come on, we can get this. We can do this."I could see this if you started Romo only. But when you start Romo and Dez against the atrocious Bears def, then Romo's performance was just, meh. He missed Dez a bunch of times when Dez was wide open. On that long reception to Dez if he throws a good ball that's a TD. That's why Dez blows up on the sidelines even though they're up by three scores. Romo's play and unwillingness to give Dez chances is starting to effect Dez's earning potential. This was a game where Dez should have easily had 100+ yards and at least 1 TD.
He's back in my circle of trust!
(temporarily)
I just think he's a completely different player right now.
Where have I written that Romo sucks? I even said he'd rank about in the upper middle among QBs in the league. But what's stopping him from being great is something the great ones are doing. And that's giving their studs every opportunity that they could.@ now Romo sucks because he isn't throwing to your fantasy player.
You missed his point. If Romo has 23 4th Quarter comebacks on 50 opportunities (just a guess, I have no idea how many times Dallas trailed in the 4th quarter), that is less impressive than if Manning had 21 4th quarter comebacks on only 30 opportunities. I would love to see a stat of 4th quarter comeback percentage. Even that would not tell the whole story as a QB on a worse team will have more opportunites, will probably be behind by more points, and have less tools to use to actually comeback.
Check your numbers.Where have I written that Romo sucks? I even said he'd rank about in the upper middle among QBs in the league. But what's stopping him from being great is something the great ones are doing. And that's giving their studs every opportunity that they could.
His point was that Romo sucks because his team falls behind and the other guys don't fall behind as often. Ignoring the whole defense and opponent thing, just look at the top 5 in this stat for their careers:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201412040chi.htm
I second stig's post.If you don't care then why did you just type multiple paragraphs about the team and Romo?"Where we disagree is how much negative attention vs. positive attention he gets"Really? Tony Romo gets bashed more than Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Vick, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Palmer, Eli, Schaub, Alex Smith, and the great punching bag of the season RGIII?
Almost all of whom, by the way, have been in a playoff game within the last 4 years.
"What is irritating is the irrational lambasting of Romo, while the other players seem to get a pass....."
What "irrational lambasting" has he endured? Show the articles, link to the analysis and then compare them to any of the other names I listed above. You make wild claims but you haven't really brought anything to prove there is a media bias against Tony Romo. Does he get covered more? Sure, but that alone is not bias.
But you also stated "while the other players seem to get a pass....." What QBs get a pass exactly? You mean like Flacco, Roethlisberger, and Eli? Or Schaub, RGIII or Vick? Or are you referring to the Pass that Sanchez got last week, while not only dismantling the Cowboys on national TV but also having to endure the endless mentions of "Butt Fumble" all week.
Or lets take the "pass" that RGIII is getting. His team is 3-9, terrible and going nowhere. He is benched for a third string journeyman, will likely be traded all the while the Redskins are the most covered 3-9 team in history...(other than the Cowboys of course) But that is a "pass"?
Flacco is mocked as "elite" for his crazy contract.
Dalton is described as "Good Andy Dalton" or "Bad Andy Dalton".
Cutler is a pouter who wont finish a title game.
Palmer is a "soft So Cal" guy
Vick kills dogs.
Roethlisberger rapes women.
Eli, well, he throws interceptions.
Smith is a first round bust, and on and on.....
The sad truth is Romo is playing in the shadow of great franchise QBs and he simply isn't up to the task. The Media just can't accept that America's Team simply has not been good for some time. But they go where the ratings are and then have to come up with the story lines. However, Dallas isn't the only team that is overhyped.
The Redskins are in the same boat and America pays the price for having to endure these two miserable franchises on prime time year after year.
But don't mistake 'hate" for "fear" of the Cowboys as the type of "cool" hate as say for Duke, the Yankees or other "successful" teams. No, the Cowboys are hated because having that team shoved down our throats at every opportunity is like forcing the nation to watch Jacksonville. And this is the hard part for Cowboy fans to swallow. NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT YOUR TEAM!! No really, we don't. They don't strike fear into any other fan base. It has been over 20 years since they ate playoff wins for breakfast and drank Division Championships like Orange Juice. The only hearts they have broken are their own fans.
Romo isn't hated/feared the way Rodgers or Brady are and why should he be? A 1-3 playoff record only frightens the Cowboy Fan Base. Jim Kelly lost more Super Bowls than Romo's entire playoff career appearances. Romo is simply a likeable dufus. He isn't threatening, but he plays hard and is tough. He is our generation's Archie Manning, a fun quarterback to watch, but stuck on the wrong team. In many ways, Romo is almost viewed as separate from the Cowboys franchise. He is looked upon almost sympathetically, like that friend or brother who is stuck in a bad marriage and everyone knows it.
My personal bias is as a fan of good football. My personal team has been a irrelevant franchise for over a decade and I would not wish them upon the national stage because good people deserve better.
Dallas has jumped the shark to become the "Notre Dame" of the NFL long ago.
"Your hatred for the Cowboys is clouding your vision"
See here is the rub. I don't personally "hate" Dallas. I am bored by them. I am bored by the media worship of Dallas and other undeserved franchises, but as I stated above, Dallas offers no competitive threat for fans to bother getting upset over anyways. Again, my team has been irrelevant for so long now that I don't really "hate" teams anymore. I've grown past it. I now simply admire franchises like Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay. I root for teams like Cleveland that are just starting to climb out of their mire while I admire New England for their great run, just as admired Dallas' great run from Landry through Jimmy Johnson. I enjoy watching great players like J Charles, Manning, Gronk etc.
You're like the people on Facebook who hate the cowboys, yet post meme after meme about them.
You hate the cowboys , yet all you people do is talk about them.
I dunno, Murray was a BEAST. He made some great cutback runs. I don't think any RB Dallas has is near him in vision and finishing runs. The guy reminds me of another Oklahoma RB you might have heard of.And yes, the O-line and TE's did a great job blocking. They got the second level a lot. I love Martin. Great draft pick.
Thats YOUR view... Romo is not that far superior to Jay Cutler and that shows you are not being subjective. Nothing you can say will make me think Romo is drastically better than Cutler except Romo doesn't turn over the ball as much.
Murray is the story of the season for the Cowboys and while there is a lot of pieces around him I think he is the MVP of that team by far. I can only equate this season for Murray to AP with the Vikings when he ran them into the playoffs. That being said Murray does have ALOT more around him including Romo compared to what AP had.
Close but no cigar. Rodgers
Yes, actually he is far superior in every way to Cutler. And it's by a wide margin. Holding onto the idea that Romo = Cutler suggests that you either don't care about the truth or...well, yeah.
Okay fun numbers but where do they both land in your NFL QB rankings? Again can you point to where I said Romo was worse than Cutler? Can you point to where I said Romo was bad?
