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Will the Raiders win a game? (1 Viewer)

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Honest question. I can't remember a team looking this hopeless entering the season.

They've got below average talent pretty much everywhere on the field. Barring a miracle, their QB play will be very bad. My guess is that they'll fluke their way to a win or two, but wow are they awful. Even other strugglers like the Jaguars, Cardinals, and Browns would probably trounce them. Only the Sanchez-less Jets might rival them for sheer ineptitude, and that team might have enough pride/playoff memories to steal a couple decent wins this season.

 
Ok, after reading the following comments online this morning, I'm starting to reconsider whether the Raiders can win a single game.

According to Scott Bair of CSNBayArea.com, there were no overt signs of ineptitude in Menelik Watson’s first game at left tackle.
I didn’t see guys running around him left and right,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “I didn’t see him make a lot of mental errors. I think that, for the first time out, in this tough environment, he gave us something solid to improve on.”
High praise indeed.

 
They are setting a new low bar in terms of talent. I can't think of a single player on their roster that would start for any other team in the league unless they have someone on the oline I don't know about. I guess McFadden would start on most teams. But after him, not a single skill player or defensive player.

0 wins is a definite possibility, but I think they split with SD. 1-2 wins.

 
What is their Vegas over/under? It it the "5 1/2" from earlier in the thread? If so, how is it that high?

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Ok, after reading the following comments online this morning, I'm starting to reconsider whether the Raiders can win a single game.

According to Scott Bair of CSNBayArea.com, there were no overt signs of ineptitude in Menelik Watson’s first game at left tackle.
I didn’t see guys running around him left and right,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “I didn’t see him make a lot of mental errors. I think that, for the first time out, in this tough environment, he gave us something solid to improve on.”
High praise indeed.
While it was a preseason game, if you have been following the play of Barron at LT, this INDEED is high praise.

 
Clifford said:
They are setting a new low bar in terms of talent. I can't think of a single player on their roster that would start for any other team in the league unless they have someone on the oline I don't know about. I guess McFadden would start on most teams. But after him, not a single skill player or defensive player.
Lamaar Houston

Pat Sims

Vance Walker

Sio Moore

Nick Roach

DJ Hayden

Tyvon Branch

Charles Woodson

Stephan Wisnewski

Jared Veldheer

Menelick Watson

Marcel Reece

Certainly not a long list, but all of these players would be starters on other teams.

 
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ImTheScientist said:
Wager? Winner gets to pick the Loser's signature?
He's instigating.I'll bet him anywhere from $500 to $5,000 and a mod of his choosing can hold the cash. And now I'll hold my breath.

 
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Yes.

Pryor could be Tebow west (I said this before RW's comment today btw...), he was a winner at Ohio State. I wasn't a fan but I'm becoming one. If he can lead and pull off some key runs and passes maybe he can pull out some wins. Maybe 3-4.

As bad as the offense is, Dennis Allen is a defensive coach, I really think that's where the Raiders need to improve to win some games this year.

 
McKenzie took the pain pill.

Gut out all bad contracts, smack all the dead money into this season.

Next season should be interesting with the #1 overall pick and 80 Million in cap space.

I still think they fluke out a game or two against either KC, SD or Jax.

 
It used to kinda suck being a Bears fan before Lovie, but I don't think it ever got so bad that I was debating whether a 2-3 win season was within reach before week 1. Good God must suck to be a Raiders fan.

 
If I had to bet everything I have on just one thing on earth it would be the under on 5 1/2 wins by the Raiders.
Where is everyone seeing this 5.5? Sportsbook has 5 under at -150.

Meaning you risk $150 to win $100 on under 5 wins. Which I still couldn't argue with, BTW.

 
It used to kinda suck being a Bears fan before Lovie, but I don't think it ever got so bad that I was debating whether a 2-3 win season was within reach before week 1. Good God must suck to be a Raiders fan.
The team has been rebuilding for awhile. What can you do. I've seen them raise the Lombardi 3 times in my life. That's pretty good. :shrug:

Compare that to Seattle's trophy case, for example.

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.

 
Here in Germany I can also bet on the under of 5.5 wins, but the return is 1.70 for 1 so I'm really not interested.

 
It used to kinda suck being a Bears fan before Lovie, but I don't think it ever got so bad that I was debating whether a 2-3 win season was within reach before week 1. Good God must suck to be a Raiders fan.
The team has been rebuilding for awhile. What can you do. I've seen them raise the Lombardi 3 times in my life. That's pretty good. :shrug:

Compare that to Seattle's trophy case, for example.
or the Bears (at least in my lifetime). Good perspective.

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.

ETA: People may not know this but Sean Payton turned the Raiders down for the HC position while still with the Cowboys. He's probably not the only one.

 
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It used to kinda suck being a Bears fan before Lovie, but I don't think it ever got so bad that I was debating whether a 2-3 win season was within reach before week 1. Good God must suck to be a Raiders fan.
I've never understood the motivation of posters to come into a thread simply to kick a downtrodden team and fanbase.

 
As bad as the Raiders are, if the 2012 Jags could win TWO games, the 2013 Raiders can win at least one.

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?
Wait a second - the comment above was correct, the Raiders were pointed in the right direction, and then he got canned for trying to make them a playoff team then and there. You think teams held all that against him?

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?
Isn't that more because his Raider tenure has left him labeled as "power-hungry" and "backstabbing"? I think the front office folks wouldn't trust him for a top-level job (coordinator, etc) and he's overqualified to be a position coach.

 
This McKenzie could be a big clown.

"Well Hue, yes you did take what's been a laughing stock franchise over the last decade, got us to 8 wins and playing for the div title in the final week of the season, so great job with all that. But, I didn't hire you so you're fired. I need a guy like Dennis Allen to get us over the hump"

 
This McKenzie could be a big clown.

"Well Hue, yes you did take what's been a laughing stock franchise over the last decade, got us to 8 wins and playing for the div title in the final week of the season, so great job with all that. But, I didn't hire you so you're fired. I need a guy like Dennis Allen to get us over the hump"
No offense, but you should probably research what actually happened.

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?
Wait a second - the comment above was correct, the Raiders were pointed in the right direction, and then he got canned for trying to make them a playoff team then and there. You think teams held all that against him?
I know that they did. Else he would have been a hot commodity as an OC, right? Makes sense with his relative success in Oakland. But he proved to be a megalomaniac who tried to strong arm Al Davis's son into greater GM authority and sayso. Once Reggie McKenzie came on as GM, he saw all he needed to see and showed Hue the door. Nobody goes from being a head coach to an assistant secondary coach in one year. The writing is on the wall as to what real GM's and owners think of Hue. Cincy bailed him out from the unemployment line. Maybe in consideration for that one-sided deal to scam Oakland of its high draft picks in the Carson Palmer deal.

 
Clifford said:
They are setting a new low bar in terms of talent. I can't think of a single player on their roster that would start for any other team in the league unless they have someone on the oline I don't know about. I guess McFadden would start on most teams. But after him, not a single skill player or defensive player.
Lamaar Houston

Pat Sims

Vance Walker

Sio Moore

Nick Roach

DJ Hayden

Tyvon Branch

Charles Woodson

Stephan Wisnewski

Jared Veldheer

Menelick Watson

Marcel Reece

Certainly not a long list, but all of these players would be starters on other teams.
. Uhh is everyone forgetting Sea Bass?
 
This McKenzie could be a big clown.

"Well Hue, yes you did take what's been a laughing stock franchise over the last decade, got us to 8 wins and playing for the div title in the final week of the season, so great job with all that. But, I didn't hire you so you're fired. I need a guy like Dennis Allen to get us over the hump"
No offense, but you should probably research what actually happened.
What, that he wanted too much power? C'mon man, that can't be what you're talking about is it?

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?
Wait a second - the comment above was correct, the Raiders were pointed in the right direction, and then he got canned for trying to make them a playoff team then and there. You think teams held all that against him?
I know that they did. Else he would have been a hot commodity as an OC, right? Makes sense with his relative success in Oakland. But he proved to be a megalomaniac who tried to strong arm Al Davis's son into greater GM authority and sayso. Once Reggie McKenzie came on as GM, he saw all he needed to see and showed Hue the door. Nobody goes from being a head coach to an assistant secondary coach in one year. The writing is on the wall as to what real GM's and owners think of Hue. Cincy bailed him out from the unemployment line. Maybe in consideration for that one-sided deal to scam Oakland of its high draft picks in the Carson Palmer deal.
Honestly, I defer to the Raider fan.

But from the outside: it looked like an unmoored ship, no direction, Al kind of out of it, and that team had a shot at the playoffs and Hue had to take control. That Palmer deal may have ruined his rep in terms of being a personnel decision maker, but again he was probably thinking he was looking at one year to do something and you know what - he was.

To me Hue going back to Cincy where he had been and had been successful made total sense, a natural. Marvin Lewis obviously saw no problems with him.

Hard to remember, but from what I recall Oak had a top-10/15 offense a couple years ago, McFadden and Bush were terrific.

 
Unreal that Hue almost had the arrow pointing up a couple of years ago. What a dumb decision to fire him when they did.
Well he did orchestrate that great Carson Palmer trade.
Well when management shows zero patience and as coach you could be out because boss man got the wrong calzone for lunch, it was pretty much then or never, this was the result. Can't blame Hue it was a rational move from his POV. Hue's a respected guy.

Now they have Flynn and Pryor.

This franchise needs to restore patience and long term thinking.
Respected you say? He went from an up and coming offensive coordinator to a head coach and Cincy picked him up when no one else wanted him to help shuttle water buckets as the asst secondary coach. Tell me how that looks like a linear professional progression of a 'respected guy'?
Wait a second - the comment above was correct, the Raiders were pointed in the right direction, and then he got canned for trying to make them a playoff team then and there. You think teams held all that against him?
I know that they did. Else he would have been a hot commodity as an OC, right? Makes sense with his relative success in Oakland. But he proved to be a megalomaniac who tried to strong arm Al Davis's son into greater GM authority and sayso. Once Reggie McKenzie came on as GM, he saw all he needed to see and showed Hue the door. Nobody goes from being a head coach to an assistant secondary coach in one year. The writing is on the wall as to what real GM's and owners think of Hue. Cincy bailed him out from the unemployment line. Maybe in consideration for that one-sided deal to scam Oakland of its high draft picks in the Carson Palmer deal.
Honestly, I defer to the Raider fan.

But from the outside: it looked like an unmoored ship, no direction, Al kind of out of it, and that team had a shot at the playoffs and Hue had to take control. That Palmer deal may have ruined his rep in terms of being a personnel decision maker, but again he was probably thinking he was looking at one year to do something and you know what - he was.

To me Hue going back to Cincy where he had been and had been successful made total sense, a natural. Marvin Lewis obviously saw no problems with him.

Hard to remember, but from what I recall Oak had a top-10/15 offense a couple years ago, McFadden and Bush were terrific.
You're right on. McKenzie came in with a big rep and was not about to have a guy he didn't hire try to throw his weight around. It was his and only his show now. Hiring and finding a competent head coach is one of the hardest things to do in sports. His arrogance got in the way of him working with what looked like the makings of a good head coach.

 
It used to kinda suck being a Bears fan before Lovie, but I don't think it ever got so bad that I was debating whether a 2-3 win season was within reach before week 1. Good God must suck to be a Raiders fan.
I've never understood the motivation of posters to come into a thread simply to kick a downtrodden team and fanbase.
Wasn't meant that way. Was expressing sympathy cause I kinda know what it's like.

 
This McKenzie could be a big clown.

"Well Hue, yes you did take what's been a laughing stock franchise over the last decade, got us to 8 wins and playing for the div title in the final week of the season, so great job with all that. But, I didn't hire you so you're fired. I need a guy like Dennis Allen to get us over the hump"
No offense, but you should probably research what actually happened.
What, that he wanted too much power? C'mon man, that can't be what you're talking about is it?
The other guys touched on most of it. He made a bad mistake crushing his players after the season-ending loss to the Chargers. You don't throw your guys under the bus like that. And that's when he said he was "going to take a bigger hand in everything", after which he was canned. Nobody in the building trusted him. Not to mention that his team set the NFL record for most penalties and most yards penalized.

 
This McKenzie could be a big clown.

"Well Hue, yes you did take what's been a laughing stock franchise over the last decade, got us to 8 wins and playing for the div title in the final week of the season, so great job with all that. But, I didn't hire you so you're fired. I need a guy like Dennis Allen to get us over the hump"
No offense, but you should probably research what actually happened.
Cliff Notes?

 
Besides fantasy football, I don't really gamble on football.

That said, I put 2 bills on the Raiders under 5 1/2.

Hate to root against my team but this team looks worse than any Raiders team I've seen in decades.

So I should get something out of this sure-to-be-horrible year.

 

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