Woman gets 100 cat calls in 10 hours in NYC (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I remember sitting in front of a bar down in Milwaukee this summer with a group of older guys. Two cute and came be girls come walking right down the middle of our group. I had to say something. I went with "looking good tonight ladies" and the high five setup...the two girls went right down the line and high fived every one of us.

I didn't think it was offensive at all. Just a bunch of people having fun.

I don't think this girl in the video is a hi fiver though.

 

[Sabertooth]

Many of the people were just being polite. This is a very good illustration of how offense cannot be given, it can only be taken. When you go out looking to be offended, you will be. If you go out looking for people smiling, you will find those too.

I'm going to guess those guys weren't being polite to:

other guys

older women

less attractive women

So once we narrow it down to the subset of poeple they were being polite and friendly and complimentary toward, it looks a little less magnanimous.

Meh. It isn't offensive to say hi to a pretty girl. JFC, what is the world coming too. But then again, I'm from the North....land of Conan the Cimmerian. We know what is good in life.

 

[JaxBill]

Now imagine she was wearing yoga pants....

 

[Christo]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

 

[Jayrok]

Donate to a group to try and stop verbal street harassment? Sounds like a winnable cause. I'd donate to this and the continuing war on drugs if I could just get back all that money I sent to that tv preacher.

 

[3C's]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/5ndnit/jessica-s-feminized-atmosphere

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/v7vq7r/masters-of-sexism---claps-and-catcalls

 

[Harry Manback]

I'm not sure if I should admit that I think she is very attractive, and that Shoshana is a sexy name.

Please. Despite how they like to portray themselves, there's not a single straight male on here who wouldn't hit that.

They will deny it, but they are liars.

 

[eoMMan]

She got hit on. Who cares? Girls like that. It makes them feel good. You know how many fat, ugly girls would love to get 100 cat calls a day?

As long as the guys weren't being vulgar or physical, who cares.

 

[Harry Manback]

She got hit on. Who cares? Girls like that. It makes them feel good. You know how many fat, ugly girls would love to get 100 cat calls a day?

As long as the guys weren't being vulgar or physical, who cares.

I don't think you watched it, there were at least a couple guys who followed her (walking directly beside her) hitting on her and generally being pathetically creepy.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I think she should try this in some other cities.

I bet she'd be pining for the safety and tranquility of good ole NYC after a 10 hour jaunt in some place like Islamabad.

 

[Harry Manback]

I think she should try this in some other cities.

I bet she'd be pining for the safety and tranquility of good ole NYC after a 10 hour jaunt in some place like Islamabad.

Good point. Anyone who has issues here in America should go to a different country.

#### free speech.

 

[jon_mx]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

The only thing this video is going to do is inspire hundreds of women to walk around the streets of New York trying to get hit upon.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

"Hello, miss, have a nice evening."

"STOP HARASSING ME YOU MISOGYNIST SHIITLORD"

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

Sure, and as pointed out, plenty of women defended Ray Rice. My friend posted this on FB and out of about 100 responses, I'd say about 95% of them sympathized with her.

And fwiw, I don't think anyone just saying "hey" would be considered to be harassing. The problem arises when they say "hey" hoping that she's interested and when she ignores them they get hostile. It's freaking NYC. People are busy, there are like a trillion people in NYC and she doesn't freaking know these guys. She has no obligation to respond to them. My bet is that if she did, they wouldn't just let it go and let her keep walking without making further comments. They're not being polite, they're hitting on her and by not responding she is letting them know she's not interested.

The problem is that a lot of guys look at this and view it as a one off experiment. The reality is that when we see a couple of the guys being really creepy, we see it as just being a small minority and so perceive it as not happening very often. But it wasn't like she was inviting that behavior in any way or doing something different than most women do every day. So the likelihood is that women are dealing with creepy guys like that quite often. And for a woman, she has to wonder which one of those guys might be brazen enough to sexually assault her. Dealing with that behavior day after day after day has to be annoying at the very least.

 

[James Daulton]

This type of approach must work for the dudes some percentage of the time or they wouldn't even bother.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

You know how many fat, ugly girls would love to get 100 cat calls a day?

Apparently not this one.

 

[jon_mx]

I love the comparison of guys saying "God bless you" to punching a woman in the face and knocking her out cold.

 

[Christo]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

Sure, and as pointed out, plenty of women defended Ray Rice. My friend posted this on FB and out of about 100 responses, I'd say about 95% of them sympathized with her.

And fwiw, I don't think anyone just saying "hey" would be considered to be harassing. The problem arises when they say "hey" hoping that she's interested and when she ignores them they get hostile. It's freaking NYC. People are busy, there are like a trillion people in NYC and she doesn't freaking know these guys. She has no obligation to respond to them. My bet is that if she did, they wouldn't just let it go and let her keep walking without making further comments. They're not being polite, they're hitting on her and by not responding she is letting them know she's not interested.

The problem is that a lot of guys look at this and view it as a one off experiment. The reality is that when we see a couple of the guys being really creepy, we see it as just being a small minority and so perceive it as not happening very often. But it wasn't like she was inviting that behavior in any way or doing something different than most women do every day. So the likelihood is that women are dealing with creepy guys like that quite often. And for a woman, she has to wonder which one of those guys might be brazen enough to sexually assault her. Dealing with that behavior day after day after day has to be annoying at the very least.

The majority of guys just said "Hey" or "Hey, beautiful" or "How you doin?" without any follow up whatsoever. Yet all were classified as harassment.

 

[GroveDiesel]

She got hit on. Who cares? Girls like that. It makes them feel good. You know how many fat, ugly girls would love to get 100 cat calls a day?

As long as the guys weren't being vulgar or physical, who cares.

Yeah, women are all just insecure sluts that want guys to ogle them and proposition them all the time.

 

[Harry Manback]

I mean, 90% of what she recorded was harmless if not polite flattery.

Hell, if she wasn't trying to prove something maybe she would've entertained one or two of them.

But there were a significant amount of creepy/over the line folks to make this noteworthy.

 

[jon_mx]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

Sure, and as pointed out, plenty of women defended Ray Rice. My friend posted this on FB and out of about 100 responses, I'd say about 95% of them sympathized with her.

And fwiw, I don't think anyone just saying "hey" would be considered to be harassing. The problem arises when they say "hey" hoping that she's interested and when she ignores them they get hostile. It's freaking NYC. People are busy, there are like a trillion people in NYC and she doesn't freaking know these guys. She has no obligation to respond to them. My bet is that if she did, they wouldn't just let it go and let her keep walking without making further comments. They're not being polite, they're hitting on her and by not responding she is letting them know she's not interested.

The problem is that a lot of guys look at this and view it as a one off experiment. The reality is that when we see a couple of the guys being really creepy, we see it as just being a small minority and so perceive it as not happening very often. But it wasn't like she was inviting that behavior in any way or doing something different than most women do every day. So the likelihood is that women are dealing with creepy guys like that quite often. And for a woman, she has to wonder which one of those guys might be brazen enough to sexually assault her. Dealing with that behavior day after day after day has to be annoying at the very least.

You know why 95% agree with her. The vast majority of people don't want to start an iFight with their friends. I am sure she posted it in a way which demonstrated she was of the opinion the girl was being harrassed, and people who disagreed wisely stayed away from commenting.

 

[mr roboto]

Now imagine if she was attractive.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That's awful!

Please, anyone ever walk with a pretty woman through the streets of Rome or another Italian city? This is nothing.

 

[Rick James]

The guy who followed her for 5 minutes was creepy as hell and that is unacceptable. I'll even say the people who were vulgar ("DAMN!") were totally inappropriate, but what is the difference between harassment and flirting? I mean good grief.

 

[eoMMan]

She got hit on. Who cares? Girls like that. It makes them feel good. You know how many fat, ugly girls would love to get 100 cat calls a day?

As long as the guys weren't being vulgar or physical, who cares.

Yeah, women are all just insecure sluts that want guys to ogle them and proposition them all the time.

I know, RIGHT?!?!?!?!??!?!!??!?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

Sure, and as pointed out, plenty of women defended Ray Rice. My friend posted this on FB and out of about 100 responses, I'd say about 95% of them sympathized with her.And fwiw, I don't think anyone just saying "hey" would be considered to be harassing. The problem arises when they say "hey" hoping that she's interested and when she ignores them they get hostile. It's freaking NYC. People are busy, there are like a trillion people in NYC and she doesn't freaking know these guys. She has no obligation to respond to them. My bet is that if she did, they wouldn't just let it go and let her keep walking without making further comments. They're not being polite, they're hitting on her and by not responding she is letting them know she's not interested.

The problem is that a lot of guys look at this and view it as a one off experiment. The reality is that when we see a couple of the guys being really creepy, we see it as just being a small minority and so perceive it as not happening very often. But it wasn't like she was inviting that behavior in any way or doing something different than most women do every day. So the likelihood is that women are dealing with creepy guys like that quite often. And for a woman, she has to wonder which one of those guys might be brazen enough to sexually assault her. Dealing with that behavior day after day after day has to be annoying at the very least.

The majority of guys just said "Hey" or "Hey, beautiful" or "How you doin?" without any follow up whatsoever. Yet all were classified as harassment.

Yeah, no. I count 5 or 6 out of 20 that were polite and either just asked how she was doing or said hey. The rest either harassed her after initially seeming polite or just outright went right to making comments about her body.

 

[jonessed]

These men should be arrested.

 

[Rick James]

I don't "catcall" but from what I've seen ON DA STREETS white women very rarely respond to catcalling whereas minorities do respond. I mean catcalling a white woman gets like a 5% response rate, but black women might respond at a 30-40% rate. So for these guys catcalling works pretty well.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Sexual Harassment
Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

 

[jon_mx]

100% of women love to be hit upon. It is part of their nature. They don't like it when it is rude or a person does not take the obvious hints there is no interest or if they guy is truly creepy.

 

[eoMMan]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

But with that definition, something as innocent as "You are beautiful" can be viewed as sexual harassment. Way too broad of a definition.

 

[Christo]

Anyone, man or woman, who believes that the men in this video were just being friendly and well intentioned and complimentary is certainly entitled to that opinion.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say their intentions were to have sex with her.

Do you not have a penis?

A lot of drama here over nothing. An average women can walk around and get hit on by a hundred guys. The one dude following her for a while was borderline harrassment, the other guys were just throwing out compliments and were fairly polite about it. This really constitutes harrassment?

That's kind of the point.

In a bar, probably to be expected.

Just walking down the street?

That's over the line, Smokey.

Why? Like others have said, the guy walking beside her so close for so long was over the line. But by the reaction of other women, the innocuous comments are not universally considered harassment. Have we really reached the point where just saying something to someone else on the street is harassment?

Sure, and as pointed out, plenty of women defended Ray Rice. My friend posted this on FB and out of about 100 responses, I'd say about 95% of them sympathized with her.And fwiw, I don't think anyone just saying "hey" would be considered to be harassing. The problem arises when they say "hey" hoping that she's interested and when she ignores them they get hostile. It's freaking NYC. People are busy, there are like a trillion people in NYC and she doesn't freaking know these guys. She has no obligation to respond to them. My bet is that if she did, they wouldn't just let it go and let her keep walking without making further comments. They're not being polite, they're hitting on her and by not responding she is letting them know she's not interested.

The problem is that a lot of guys look at this and view it as a one off experiment. The reality is that when we see a couple of the guys being really creepy, we see it as just being a small minority and so perceive it as not happening very often. But it wasn't like she was inviting that behavior in any way or doing something different than most women do every day. So the likelihood is that women are dealing with creepy guys like that quite often. And for a woman, she has to wonder which one of those guys might be brazen enough to sexually assault her. Dealing with that behavior day after day after day has to be annoying at the very least.

The majority of guys just said "Hey" or "Hey, beautiful" or "How you doin?" without any follow up whatsoever. Yet all were classified as harassment.

Yeah, no. I count 5 or 6 out of 20 that were polite and either just asked how she was doing or said hey. The rest either harassed her after initially seeming polite or just outright went right to making comments about her body.

Yet she claims she was harassed over 100 times. We're supposed to believe she left off 80 instances of what she considers worse conduct.

 

[jon_mx]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

But with that definition, something as innocent as "You are beautiful" can be viewed as sexual harassment. Way too broad of a definition.

If it is in the context of a work environment, then it could be.

 

[Christo]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

Hey is not a sexual comment.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

But with that definition, something as innocent as "You are beautiful" can be viewed as sexual harassment. Way too broad of a definition.

I think this is the way to keep unwanted "advances" from certain people.

 

[Christo]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

But with that definition, something as innocent as "You are beautiful" can be viewed as sexual harassment. Way too broad of a definition.

I think this is the way to keep unwanted "advances" from certain people.

So now its okay to misclassify some behavior to stop other behavior?

 

[Henry Ford]

Also, "Damn!" isn't really a polite compliment.

That depends on the listener, and that depends on the culture.DJs were taking calls about this video on the radio this morning. Some women were offended, some weren't. Latinas and sistas pointed out that it's largely cultural, it happens more in black and Hispanic communities (as the video suggests), and it's generally more accepted in those communities than in, say, a middle class white neighborhood. One or two of the ladies even said they get a little sad if no guy hollers at them.

But even if you don't think "Damn!" Is polite, that doesn't mean that it necessarily rises to the level of harassment.

The guys walking alongside her for blocks on end or that dude who seems to offer a thousand dollars, on the other hand, are definitely creepy.

Even if it's taken as a compliment, that doesn't make it polite.

 

[urbanhack]

If there's a great place to objectively discuss this topic....it's here!

 

[Foosball God]

There were definitely a couple of creeps in that video, but most were pretty innocuous imo. Calling some of those verbal abuse is pushing it a bit.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Sexual Harassment
Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

So if the above is harassment "sexual" if a guy was to make a mistake and "catcall" a girl say 16 years old would that fall under child molestation?

 

[Brony]

Eat that cheese. Pluck that Banjo

 

[Christo]

If there's a great place to objectively discuss this topic....it's here!

How do you suggest we objectively discuss a topic that is inherently subjective?

 

[Black Box]

This is a tough issue because women don't like unwanted attention, but like wanted attention. And it is different for each woman. And it can change for each woman based on how she is feeling at that particular moment.

This is why the guys that push the issue too far are being unacceptable/creepy (since the woman didn't return any social cues), but the one-off lines are acceptable since those men gauged her interest, didn't get anything in return, and moved on.

 

[Premier]

I want to know WTF their plan is to stop catcalling on the streets.

How does donated money actually forward that plan?

 

[Freelove]

If there's a great place to objectively discuss this topic....it's here!

How do you suggest we objectively discuss a topic that is inherently subjective?

First, we shoot all the lawyers.

 

[Freelove]

Some of these men might have been fooled into thinking this woman liked having her vanity stroked by the way she spent the whole day parading around Manhattan with someone filming her.

 

[Henry Ford]

Sexual Harassment

Different from sexual assault, sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual advance, comment, attention, gesture or behavior. Sexual harassment can be verbal, non-verbal or physical.

So if the above is harassment "sexual" if a guy was to make a mistake and "catcall" a girl say 16 years old would that fall under child molestation?

Does the definition of child molestation include catcalling?Could conceivably be prosecuted for enticing a minor.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

This type of approach must work for the dudes some percentage of the time or they wouldn't even bother.

Mike Damone: I mean don't just walk in. You move across the room. And you don't talk to her. You use your face. You use your body. You use everything. That's what I do. I mean I just send out this vibe and I have personally found that women do respond. I mean, something happens.

Mark Ratner: Well, naturally something happens. I mean, you put the vibe out to 30 million chicks, something is gonna happen.

Mike Damone: That's the idea, Rat. That's the attitude.

Mark Ratner: The attitude?

Mike Damone: Yeah! The attitude dictates that you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin'. Now when you got that, then you have the attitude

 

[Rick James]

Step 1 - be attractive

Step 2 - don't be unattractive

 

[freakinback]

Apparently this is bad too http://www.bustle.com/articles/34279-why-do-guys-spread-their-legs-when-sitting-on-the-subway-my-weekend-of-sitting-like