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I’m not. People here are smarter than the average person IMO. That means realizing that just because stuff opens doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to go.
Yea. Being a football forum, we may be centered around large population centers, ones that can support NFL franchises. So that would skew the demographic towards more problem areas.
One size does not fit all. There is no single correct answer as much of it is based on your health, age, area, and family situation.
I agree but to an extent. Going out to a restaurant is completely unnecessary with the number of restaurants doing takeout these days. And I’m someone who loves going out to eat.
I disagree if proper precautions are in place. Its a matter of risk and if 6' distance and masks are used then the risk is minimal for healthy individuals without risk profiles.
Is it even fun though? For me going out to eat is about relaxing. Seems like that part is taken away. I'd much rather just cook something at home and take a walk around the neighborhood, maybe that's just me.
Although I don’t agree with Gally that going to restaurants in the short-term is necessary to “live life”, I didn’t find my single dine-in experience stressful at all. Truth be told, it may have been more relaxing than pre-COVID, as the restaurant is popular with an open kitchen adjacent to the dining area. Previously, it was pretty loud and bustling with people, but less people with greater spacing made it much more calm and intimate. If you don’t like crowds, it’s actually pretty nice.
By "Live Life" I meant there are a lot of people that staying at home for 2 straight months is driving them batty. I am not that way and don't mind being at home but I have friends that are going nuts. If you are in that mindset and are young with no underlying conditions i see no reason you cannot take the proper precautions and go out to dinner. Every situation is different.
Good deal. Still some decent stuff to do (hiking, golf, bearizona is open). Weather is currently perfect.
The problem I see with dining out is being in one position next to others for a prolonged period of time. Even if it's outdoors it makes me a bit nervous. If they are eating, they are not wearing masks. Lots of places use umbrellas or tents outside and consider them "outdoors" but who knows how these things can enable the spread of the virus. Yes, every situation is different but people who measure the risk based on their own health are essentially ignoring how they can be asymptomatic and spreading it to others. I mean, if I were an at-risk person and to get to the grocery store I had to walk down a street with a bunch of unmasked, outdoor diners sitting around on the sidewalk, I might be a bit pissed.Gally said:
I think that is an unfair statement. You can be cognizant of the possibility of spread and take the necessary precautions to limit the possibility. That is the best anybody can do. Sitting at a restaurant that keeps people socially distanced is taking the proper precautions. If you are high risk you do need to take other precautions and that may mean not traveling down a sidewalk next to a restaurant that allows diners. Use the other side of the street to take an extra precaution.
Fair enough. I really don't disagree much with what you are saying here. The only reason I would argue is that actually sitting at a restaurant is completely unnecessary to enjoy a good restaurant meal these days. It's like a whole bunch of added risk for no reason at all, IMO.
I do disagree with that statement. Getting a good meal delivered usually degrades the quality quite a bit. It isn't "fresh" like you get eating in the restaurant. It's not terrible in most cases (although I have had some bad as well) but it is much better fresh at the restaurant.
Great food, blew it out on the wine... just a blast.
Yeah this is another good reason to stay home. People under stress do some real questionable stuff. The risk/reward ratio is way out of wack now.
I can't understand a word of what anyone is saying, but I 100% am on the side of the woman wearing the mask. The other people seem to personify everything that is wrong with this country right now.
Doesn’t sound there’s any winners in this one. Unless I’m reading the article wrong, the woman in the mask coughed on other customers and her boyfriend hit someone with a bottle.
I agree with your sentiment about businesses needing to take control of the customers. I manage a retail store--and customers don't give a flying eff about anything. Our shop is small and we implement distancing and a mask policy. We have signage out front--and luckily we have to physically "buzz" people into our shop as a security measure. We have magnetically locked doors--and they have to hit a buzzer for us to let them in. If they hit the buzzer and don't have a mask--I'll walk closer to the door to where they can see me--and I'll point to my mask as a way of telling them "no mask= no entry". I'd say that 60-65% of customers are great--but a good 30-35% of them think that they can do whatever they want and make up their own rules. I'm sorry--but our house=our rules. Our shop is small and if we have 3 people in the shop at the same time--the next person that wants to come in doesn't get buzzed in until one client leaves. If we left it up to the customers--they would all come in at once and not think twice. While I love the vast majority of our customers--I'm not going to lie--there are many people that are just selfish and entitled. With that said--there are lots of businesses that are soo hungry for business and cash that they just are just letting as many people in as they can. Both businesses and customers have to act responsible. If they dont---this thing is just going to linger on longer and longer.
Good on you. Well done. I hope it works out for you and you continue to profit doing things the right way!
So there were 10 of you getting drunk in a small space all together. Couldn't you at least be outside for #### like this?Reserved a private room at Silo for us and 4 other couples this past weekend for my birthday. 10 people. Was amazing, worth it.
@Ministry of Pain
I appreciate the time we get with our friends more than ever.
It was bound to happen. Very few bars and restaurants in Southern Cali were following the guidelines. You’d see employees wearing masks and you’d see signage but aside from that patrons were basically doing whatever they wanted. Until the businesses and patrons get on the same page- this same pattern will continue to repeat until the business eventually dissolves.Judge Smails said:
And what you just stated is what makes it hard to feel bad for any of them. Here the bartenders and owners are trying to sue the state for shutting them down again. Yet none of them even bothered to try enforcing any of the mandates when they were open. Now they want everyone to feel bad enough for them to allow them to continue to be far and away the number one source of the spread. I don't see a lot of support outside of the hard core alcoholic crowd.
I don’t think it matters if they wear it out on the way in or out. If one of them has it, and this is indoor dining, they are saturating the air with droplets in the hour or so they are sitting at the table eating. Wearing the mask on the way out won’t matter because everyone else breathing the same air for the last hour probably has it by then.
It's nearly ####### impossible to get this from ingesting the virus. I could give you a wuhan smoothie and you couldn't test positive with a toilet plunger pushed into your brain stem
Hola from the 39157. The unmasked approached 90% at my nearby grocery store today. Lots of people here clinging tight to their self-righteous indignation.
It's not the food so much as the glasses, dishes, utensils, etc. Constant contact. Bringing into contact with your face. Etc.
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Why? Do you and your family just enjoy eating out or what? Just interested in what would drive something like this in today's environment. I have a BIL that is likely doing this is SA, and I base that on the fact that his lazy wife hates to cook and it was quite common for he and his family to eat out several ties a week before this all hit. That, coupled with the fact they went to Disney on a vacation that ended exactly one day before Disney shut down tells me they are some of those that don't take it to seriously. But I know you aren't (weren't) in that boat. So just wondering why you take the risk, even if you feel the risk is pretty minimal?
It is very unlikely to get it to pass through HVAC systems. The distance and turns in ducting and filters will dispute and collect the droplets. Even directly coughing into a return vent is unlikely for transmission. Very minimal risk.
I should have been more clear. I'm thinking in terms of how air circulates within the room. I don't have link handy, but if memory serves, in the early days of the NYC covid-19 outbreak there was a restaurant where patrons on one side of a room came down with the virus while no one on the other side did.Gally said:
what does that have to do with HVAC systems? If it was spread by HVAC then the people on the opposite side would have also been affected.
It was tied to the airflow thru the restaurant. People "upwind" of the flow of air via the A/C vents didn't get it. Everyone "downwind" did.
