Would you fire Dan Quinn if you were the owner? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

The game was a blowout and Dan Quinn should have been protecting his franchise QB, now the season is over
Washington has only one full season left without having to extend Jayden Daniels to the tune of about $60M+ per year
What was Dan Quinn thinking last night? As a new owner, I would make an example out of him quickly.
Sure they made the NFCC last season but that had little to do with Quinn and everything to do with Jayden Daniels,
Is the Washingoton Defense all that good after 18 months as Head Coach?
We know the best thing would be a more offensive minded head football coach to maximize Daniels the next couple years
Quinn will be fired at some point in coming seasons and this thread will be bumped

Fire Dan Quinn and do it right now, he's a good DC but a lousy head football coach

 

[zamboni]

I don't think he's a very good coach, but I wouldn't fire him just because of the Daniels injury.

As I mentioned in the Daniels thread, it's football and we see guys get hurt badly each week regardless of situation. Yes, you want to limit hits to him and, in hindsight, wouldn't want him out there down 28 in the early 4th, but they also may have wanted to get some offensive rhythm going to build on for next week. It's a brutal sport.

 

[Boston]

I don't think he's a very good coach, but I wouldn't fire him just because of the Daniels injury.

As I mentioned in the Daniels thread, it's football and we see guys get hurt badly each week regardless of situation. Yes, you want to limit hits to him and, in hindsight, wouldn't want him out there down 28 in the early 4th, but they also may have wanted to get some offensive rhythm going to build on for next week. It's a brutal sport.

Agreed...if Harris wants to lose faith in his ownership the easiest way to do it is to fire Quinn this quickly then miss on the next HC hire by hiring someone like McDaniels...now all of a sudden Daniels is looking at his third HC/OC in about a five-year period and a total lack of stability.

 

[Dizzy]

Daniels is a bean pole. Runs way too much given his slight build.

His career path is looking like RGIII 2.0.

 

[Payne]

They are not going to fire him. He's a good coach.

 

[ffmail4me]

But they should fire both the offensive and defensive coordinators. This offense is pitiful. So predictable and Kliff refuses to run a balanced attack. Way too pass happy and very little creativity in his play calling. Just look at the Chiefs, Bills, and Eagles offense for example. They use all kinds of misdirection and trick plays to keep the defenses guessing. We NEVER do that. And the defense, beyond putrid. Yes they are old but coaching is still an issue. Way too many blown assignments, poor tackling, etc. And honestly I wouldn't be upset if they fired Quinn but without anything better in place what's the point?

 

[Da Guru]

Daniels is a bean pole. Runs way too much given his slight build.

His career path is looking like RGIII 2.0.

I thought the same thing last year but Daniels avoided injury for the most part. Daniels has a very thin build and running will take it`s toll on him. Needs to pick and choose his spots.

 

[Terpman22]

No way, this guy was a coach on the Cowboys and saw Dak Prescott put up garbage time stats a lot while he was there and never got injured like this. And this wasn't even like that bad of a hit at all or anything, sometimes fluke/freak injuries happen.

 

[Desert_Power]

Daniels is a bean pole. Runs way too much given his slight build.

His career path is looking like RGIII 2.0.

I thought the same thing last year but Daniels avoided injury for the most part. Daniels has a very thin build and running will take it`s toll on him. Needs to pick and choose his spots.

Yeah. I thought last year they were running him way too much but it kept working. He looks smaller than he is out there.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We're not predicting what Washington will or won't do, the question is what would YOU do as the Washington owner
I've made my feelings/opinion very clear

 

[Dizzy]

Daniels is a bean pole. Runs way too much given his slight build.

His career path is looking like RGIII 2.0.

I thought the same thing last year but Daniels avoided injury for the most part. Daniels has a very thin build and running will take it`s toll on him. Needs to pick and choose his spots.

Agreed. Just like RGIII in his rookie season.

 

[msudaisy26]

I would say yes, but he isn't the only one doing it. Dan Campbell has done this twice this year. He did it against the Bears and Packers. One time nothing happened the other time Marcus Davenport got hurt and has missed like five games.

 

[cdclopper]

If the internet ran a football team it would be even more of a disaster than the Jets or Browns combined.

 

[Smack Tripper]

We can call it flukey or an accident and as my coach told me when I was young, its not a contact sport, its a collision sport. For the vast majority of players its when not if in terms of a major injury. Travis Hunter went down in practice, it can happen any time.

That said, all reps aren't created equal and we all know that. These guys don't play but a series or two in preseason these days, and they play fewer games now, I think there's an acknowledgement of the risk.

At 38-7 last night, with no healthy weapons for Washington, this was an exhibition game. They weren't running hurry up to try to win the game. Did Denver win last week? Yes, one in 1700.

So if you fire him today or after a five win season, the result will be the same.

Also turn your hat around you clown. Only winners get to look like that much of a goof.

 

[Dizzy]

We're not predicting what Washington will or won't do, the question is what would YOU do as the Washington owner
I've made my feelings/opinion very clear

I would not.

JD's injuries were inevitable. He runs with wreckless abandon and has the muscle tone of a skinwalker.

It falls under the category of, "Things you can get away with in high school and college, but not in the NFL."

 

[Smack Tripper]

I would probably not fire him today as why am I paying another coach dead money. Thats my strictly business analytical side

That said, if the locker room wasn't lost, it probably will be now so why keep him?

 

[Max Power]

Daniels frame has a been a concern since the NFL draft. It was largely the biggest knock against him. We can't sit here and be that shocked when he doesn't hold up.

Freak accident, but it was always the risk.

 

[Chaka]

What kind of reactionary TikTok driven poll is this?

 

[Joe Bryant]

No way this early.

 

[JohnnyU]

Who are you going to hire? Firing the coach isn't always the right move, especially right now.

 

[zamboni]

Who are you going to hire? Firing the coach isn't always the right move, especially right now.

Many were touting him as coach of the year last year, now want him to leave town on a bus. Their two biggest offensive weapons have been banged up all year and they have no running game to take pressure off. They definitely have a lot of holes to fix on both sides of the ball, but I don't put it squarely on Quinn.

 

[miqws]

No, I would not fire him. However, I would ask Quinn why he punts the ball start of the fourth quarter down 38-7 and then has Daniels out there the next series. Disconnected decision process.

 

[dgreen]

I think the bigger question is whether or not the larger football culture needs to rethink their mindset. Fantasy owners have been screaming for years about things like this. Fantasy owners worry a lot about injuries. Football people, at all levels, don't seem to think about it much. At the highest levels of the game, I think they really do have the attitude of: "Not much you can do. This is football. Next man up." Which approach is right?

Now, we have seen changes over time when it comes to preseason. There's now a belief that it's not worth the risk in those situations. It's probably worth asking if the same logic applies to being down four scores in the fourth quarter. Not sure how much the industry is willing to consider that question, though. As long as there is any chance of winning, they are going to go for it. "So you're telling me there's a chance" is their motto. I think we have to realize that these guys think differently.

The trade deadline is tomorrow. I think every fantasy owner looks at Washington's current situation and says, "Sell off as much as you can." But, is that how Peters and Quinn think about it? Or are they just thinking how to win next week and start a playoff run?

 

[Snotbubbles]

The game was a blowout and Dan Quinn should have been protecting his franchise QB, now the season is over
Washington has only one full season left without having to extend Jayden Daniels to the tune of about $60M+ per year
What was Dan Quinn thinking last night? As a new owner, I would make an example out of him quickly.
Sure they made the NFCC last season but that had little to do with Quinn and everything to do with Jayden Daniels,
Is the Washingoton Defense all that good after 18 months as Head Coach?
We know the best thing would be a more offensive minded head football coach to maximize Daniels the next couple years
Quinn will be fired at some point in coming seasons and this thread will be bumped

Fire Dan Quinn and do it right now, he's a good DC but a lousy head football coach

Any Daniels extension won't kick in for 3 more years. The big question is, can the kid stay healthy? Doesn't look like he can.

 

[fatness]

The rest of the season will show whether Quinn, Kingsbury, and Whitt can make changes to right the ship and start playing functional football again. Right now they play disjointed, confused football and don't have very many good players. Whether the coaches can make changes and turn things around (in terms of execution and playcalling) or not by the end of the year should determine if they need to go or not.
I seriously doubt Quinn would go. I could do without either or both coordinators, but I'd wait til the end of the year. Let's see if they can get the team to respond well to this massive adversity.

By the way, Luke McCaffrey broke his collarbone and Marshon Lattimore probably has a torn ACL.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-roundup-latest-league-updates-from-monday-nov-3

 

[Smack Tripper]

No, I would not fire him. However, I would ask Quinn why he punts the ball start of the fourth quarter down 38-7 and then has Daniels out there the next series. Disconnected decision process.

Thats a terrific point.

Either you're PLAYING TO WIN or you're not, and they weren't even in hurry up.

If your philosophy is play to the final whistle I can tolerate this more, he was looking for window dressing respectability and ... he got it?

 

[fatness]

I don't see any advantage in trying to trade players just to swap a 7th round pick for a 6th round pick. All that does is let them draft more players like the ones they'd be trading.

 

[Chaka]

And, if Quinn pulls Daniels with 12:30 left in the fourth quarter two weeks after Denver put up 24 points in 10:30 people would be calling him a quitter and demanding he be fired.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Daniels is young and needs the reps.

I would not have had him out there but these dudes are competitors.

Also, @Dizzy is correct, JD is frail.

 

[Kiddnets]

I know its a lot of Mon am QB - I just didnt see before it got out of hand - why they didnt even try to run the ball except with JD who was coming off an injury in general - then double down and have him run even more while down by a ton in the 4th. Just seemed very strange to me.

 

[Gally]

Fantasy owners have been screaming for years about things like this. Fantasy owners worry a lot about injuries.

FF people also want their players to play the whole game because they don't get points on the bench. I think most FF players would prefer their players to keep playing than get benched in blowouts. While the NFL game is a blowout your FF matchup might not be so you want that guy to keep playing.

 

[Gally]

Daniels is yopung and needs the reps.

I was going to say the same thing. This is his second year and he has missed a few games already this year. He needs to play. Now I would have called a lot less runs for him as the game went on but work on pocket passing and reads in game. You can limit risk with play calls that still allow him to work on his game.

 

[Chaka]

I know its a lot of Mon am QB - I just didnt see before it got out of hand - why they didnt even try to run the ball except with JD who was coming off an injury in general - then double down and have him run even more while down by a ton in the 4th. Just seemed very strange to me.

Because Kliff Kingsbury hates quarterbacks and never met a pass play he didn't love.

I think I posted about it in the JCM thread but, the teams he has coached (or OC'd) end of season rushing attempts generally look solid relative to the rest of the league but, literally all of those were with Kyler Murray or Jayden Daniels. I didn't break down how many QB rushes were designed vs scrambles but, the bottom line is if you just look at the RBs KK's offenses have something like a 60%-40% pass run split (give or take).

He is impatient, probably thinks he is smarter than he is (we're all guilty of that) and the result is he never commits to truly establishing a running game. That could also be because he designs poor run plays. IDK.

 

[travdogg]

Wouldn't even consider it.

Its important to recall where Washington was. This was a franchise before last season, that had made the playoffs 5 times in the previous 25 years. This was a team in massive turmoil. They were in the NFC Championship game last year, and Quinn absolutely played a role in that.

Should Daniels have been playing? No, probably not. Would 75% of NFL HCs done exactly the same thing Quinn did? Absolutely. For whatever reason, teams don't really pull players until the last couple minutes, I don't get it, but its very much the norm, and ingrained in most coaches AND players.

 

[Smack Tripper]

And, if Quinn pulls Daniels with 12:30 left in the fourth quarter two weeks after Denver put up 24 points in 10:30 people would be calling him a quitter and demanding he be fired.

Literally no one would

Daniels off an injury, no healthy wr on their team and Seattle is not the Giants

Are you ok with them running out the last. 3 minutes if that’s the take? Hey you’re only down 3 scores

 

[fatness]

"Obviously, I'm just gutted by it, I'm just bummed," Washington coach Dan Quinn said. "We didn't have any read plays on it, and the one he was injured on is usually a run or a throw to the flat. It's not a scramble. It wasn't a designed read or play into that spot. If we run it 50 times, it's either a handoff or a throw 50 times."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-commanders-qb-dislocated-elbow-mri-seahawks/

 

[Smack Tripper]

Daniels is yopung and needs the reps.

I was going to say the same thing. This is his second year and he has missed a few games already this year. He needs to play. Now I would have called a lot less runs for him as the game went on but work on pocket passing and reads in game. You can limit risk with play calls that still allow him to work on his game.

He single-handedly brought them to an nfc title game last year. He’s already a franchise qb

But he got a drive of reps against a prevent D.

Now let’s get Mariota some reps

 

[Joe Bryant]

At the highest levels of the game, I think they really do have the attitude of: "Not much you can do. This is football. Next man up." Which approach is right?

What would be the alternative to this?

 

[Jewell]

I don't see any advantage in trying to trade players just to swap a 7th round pick for a 6th round pick. All that does is let them draft more players like the ones they'd be trading.

Trading players for slightly higher draft picks could allow the Commanders to get younger. The Commanders have the oldest average age of any team in the NFL, and the oldest average age of any NFL team since 2007. I don’t see this old, underwhelming roster competing for a championship so why not try to get younger?

 

[Joe Bryant]

No, I would not fire him. However, I would ask Quinn why he punts the ball start of the fourth quarter down 38-7 and then has Daniels out there the next series. Disconnected decision process.

What was the down and distance?

Wasn't it like 4th and 14 from the 50 with 15 minutes left in the 4th quarter? You're saying they should have gone for it?

 

[Joe Bryant]

And for pulling the QB, I don't see that happening in today's NFL where games completely flip in the last 5 minutes.

 

[Snotbubbles]

No, I would not fire him. However, I would ask Quinn why he punts the ball start of the fourth quarter down 38-7 and then has Daniels out there the next series. Disconnected decision process.

What was the down and distance?

Wasn't it like 4th and 14 from the 50 with 15 minutes left in the 4th quarter? You're saying they should have gone for it?

Only a bad coach would go for it in that spot...and then watches Andy Reid go for it on 4th and 17 at the BUF 40 with 14:20 left in the 4th.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The game was a blowout and Dan Quinn should have been protecting his franchise QB, now the season is over
Washington has only one full season left without having to extend Jayden Daniels to the tune of about $60M+ per year
What was Dan Quinn thinking last night? As a new owner, I would make an example out of him quickly.
Sure they made the NFCC last season but that had little to do with Quinn and everything to do with Jayden Daniels,
Is the Washingoton Defense all that good after 18 months as Head Coach?
We know the best thing would be a more offensive minded head football coach to maximize Daniels the next couple years
Quinn will be fired at some point in coming seasons and this thread will be bumped

Fire Dan Quinn and do it right now, he's a good DC but a lousy head football coach

Any Daniels extension won't kick in for 3 more years. The big question is, can the kid stay healthy? Doesn't look like he can.

He's in Year 2, only a fool would play for a 5th year option
Hurts 36 months
Burrow 36 months
Herbert 36 months
TLaw 36 months

To my knowledge most of the better perceived QBs in the NFL regardless of Playoff wins, they get big money right after Year 3, they do have to play Year 4 of the rookie deal but they get that signing bonus in their bank account as soon as the ink is dry

 

[ffmail4me]

And for pulling the QB, I don't see that happening in today's NFL where games completely flip in the last 5 minutes.

While I know what you are saying Joe this wasn’t close from the kickoff. Seattle was completely dominating both lines. I have a better chance dating the top 10 hottest women in Hollywood than Washington had a chance to come back and make this game close, much less steal a win. Daniels had no business being in that game that late in the 4th quarter. And why Cliff refuses to give carries to his best Rb on the roster is beyond my comprehension

 

[Gally]

He single-handedly brought them to an nfc title game last year. He’s already a franchise qb

That doesn't mean he knows everything and doesn't need more game reps to get better. Plenty of players look good for a year and then falter due to inexperience. He doesn't even have two seasons under his belt. He still needs reps to get better..........even if he is already a "franchise QB".

 

[bolzano]

I think the bigger question is whether or not the larger football culture needs to rethink their mindset. Fantasy owners have been screaming for years about things like this. Fantasy owners worry a lot about injuries. Football people, at all levels, don't seem to think about it much. At the highest levels of the game, I think they really do have the attitude of: "Not much you can do. This is football. Next man up." Which approach is right?

Now, we have seen changes over time when it comes to preseason. There's now a belief that it's not worth the risk in those situations. It's probably worth asking if the same logic applies to being down four scores in the fourth quarter. Not sure how much the industry is willing to consider that question, though. As long as there is any chance of winning, they are going to go for it. "So you're telling me there's a chance" is their motto. I think we have to realize that these guys think differently.

The trade deadline is tomorrow. I think every fantasy owner looks at Washington's current situation and says, "Sell off as much as you can." But, is that how Peters and Quinn think about it? Or are they just thinking how to win next week and start a playoff run?

With the bigger contracts and the push for longer seasons, it’s probably inevitable that NFL teams start taking an NBA-like approach to protecting their investments. That is, I think we’re gonna start to see players not playing through minor injuries, taking longer recovery times, and even sitting with phantom ones for load management reasons. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s happening right now. (I’m looking at how my Niners have been treating Purdy, Aiyuk, and Pearsall.) And, of course, this also applies to how they handle preseason games, blowouts, end of season games that are “meaningless”, etc.

 

[Smack Tripper]

He single-handedly brought them to an nfc title game last year. He’s already a franchise qb

That doesn't mean he knows everything and doesn't need more game reps to get better. Plenty of players look good for a year and then falter due to inexperience. He doesn't even have two seasons under his belt. He still needs reps to get better..........even if he is already a "franchise QB".

Can’t get better on the IR

 

[Gally]

That is, I think we’re gonna start to see players not playing through minor injuries, taking longer recovery times, and even sitting with phantom ones for load management reasons.

I would find that hard to believe because they don't play 82 games like NBA does. Every game in the NFL matters. They cannot take a game off because it will likely cost them a higher seed/playoff spot. Big difference in how much a single game matters in NBA vs NFL.

 

[Gally]

He single-handedly brought them to an nfc title game last year. He’s already a franchise qb

That doesn't mean he knows everything and doesn't need more game reps to get better. Plenty of players look good for a year and then falter due to inexperience. He doesn't even have two seasons under his belt. He still needs reps to get better..........even if he is already a "franchise QB".

Can’t get better on the IR

So why even play him then? Just keep him on the bench so he doesn't go to the IR. Players get hurt. It's part of the game. Players rarely practice with the rules. The best time for them to learn is on the job while playing. Tough to limit those opportunities any more than they already do.

While I agree that he probably should not have been playing I do understand they it's not completely cut and dry with a clear answer. I understand why a coach would want him still in the game.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think the bigger question is whether or not the larger football culture needs to rethink their mindset. Fantasy owners have been screaming for years about things like this. Fantasy owners worry a lot about injuries. Football people, at all levels, don't seem to think about it much. At the highest levels of the game, I think they really do have the attitude of: "Not much you can do. This is football. Next man up." Which approach is right?

Now, we have seen changes over time when it comes to preseason. There's now a belief that it's not worth the risk in those situations. It's probably worth asking if the same logic applies to being down four scores in the fourth quarter. Not sure how much the industry is willing to consider that question, though. As long as there is any chance of winning, they are going to go for it. "So you're telling me there's a chance" is their motto. I think we have to realize that these guys think differently.

The trade deadline is tomorrow. I think every fantasy owner looks at Washington's current situation and says, "Sell off as much as you can." But, is that how Peters and Quinn think about it? Or are they just thinking how to win next week and start a playoff run?

With the bigger contracts and the push for longer seasons, it’s probably inevitable that NFL teams start taking an NBA-like approach to protecting their investments. That is, I think we’re gonna start to see players not playing through minor injuries, taking longer recovery times, and even sitting with phantom ones for load management reasons. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s happening right now. (I’m looking at how my Niners have been treating Purdy, Aiyuk, and Pearsall.) And, of course, this also applies to how they handle preseason games, blowouts, end of season games that are “meaningless”, etc.

Jalen Carter did that this season when he didn't play against the NY Giants at MetLife. He landed on the injury report mid-week and then was out for the game.