WR A.J. Brown, PHI (3 Viewers)

[travdogg]

Bro's team is 11-2 and is miserable.

Idk if there's going to be any helping their relationship with someone like that.

I would disagree a bit here. I think its frustrating for any elite player to not be used especially when they are playing at elite efficiency. The Eagles are undefeated this year in games Brown has played in, and that's not a coincidence in my opinion.

Obviously, I think Brown (and almost any player) would prefer to win and be underused, then lose and be featured. But that doesn't mean that they should be thrilled when not used. The ideal would be to win and be featured. I think that ties into any walk of life.

 

[steelcityman]

Would certainly help the Steelers causes if there is a rift b/w Hurts and Brown, that only leaves Smth, Goddert and some RB, #26 I think it is, and a running QB, and the tush push. Philly is tough, and for reasons that have been around forever, the Steelers, much like the Penguins used to have, cannot win in Philly. Plus, Pickens is likely out again.

Damn I didn't know Pickens was out again. That is a huge loss against a team like Philly. We can beat a team like Cleveland without our top WR but not the upper elites of the league. Goddert is out I'm pretty sure.

Tomlin left the window open a bit today in his presser. But seeing how they play 3 games in 10 days starting Sunday, i wouldnt be surprised to see him rest it again, esp with Bmore and KC coming up after Philly in that stretch.

 

[Faust]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

 

[JohnnyU]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown had 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown and 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

All signs point to yes. These receivers are tired of seeing Jamarr Chase blowing up every week.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I'm hoping his pouting gets him a Doubs-like boost for us Brown owners.

 

[Drake Hater]

Bro's team is 11-2 and is miserable.

Idk if there's going to be any helping their relationship with someone like that.

I would disagree a bit here. I think its frustrating for any elite player to not be used especially when they are playing at elite efficiency. The Eagles are undefeated this year in games Brown has played in, and that's not a coincidence in my opinion.

Obviously, I think Brown (and almost any player) would prefer to win and be underused, then lose and be featured. But that doesn't mean that they should be thrilled when not used. The ideal would be to win and be featured. I think that ties into any walk of life.

I have no doubt he was frustrated that a backup TE was getting more targets.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

the biggest diva plays in SF and he just cost his team a game by forcing the issue and then dropping easy catches. it might have been just the one drop, but it was a big one as far as game script goes, so there's that.

Throughout this season Hurts missed AJB wide open in more than a couple of games, so quantity isn't the issue. Hurts seems to have accepted getting the ball out of his hands is the way to win. AJB will have to learn that means less targets for him if he wants a ring. Drafting AJB cost me my fantasy season, but i'm okay with that as long as this winning continues for the Eagles. I mean, if I'm good losing out on a few bucks and a whole year of bragging rights, AJB should be too, right?

 

[menobrown]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown had 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

People will say no but the only times I see him having outburst are games they are winning and he's not heavily involved.

Counter that to say Devonta Smith who after getting 2 targets and for 1/-2 earlier this year said it was all good, they were rolling with Barkley and what was working so why change a thing.

From a team angle I think dealing with players like AJB can become tiresome, trying to devise a gameplan and making sure they are properly placted can wear on you if they don't always match up. But from a fantasy angle, I'd much rather have the players on my fantasy team act like AJB then Devonta.

 

[unckeyherb]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown and 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

All signs point to yes. These receivers are tired of seeing Jamarr Chase blowing up every week.

They'll get more tired of being 5-8, IMO.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown and 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

All signs point to yes. These receivers are tired of seeing Jamarr Chase blowing up every week.

They'll get more tired of being 5-8, IMO.

They need stats and wins to achieve happiness.

 

[JohnnyU]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown and 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

All signs point to yes. These receivers are tired of seeing Jamarr Chase blowing up every week.

They'll get more tired of being 5-8, IMO.

prima donna diva

 

[unckeyherb]

Will Hurts-Brown episode change balance for Eagles offense?

A J Brown needs to chill. They are 11-2. Throwing your helmet after a 3 and out against Carolina? Brown and 4/43 for the game. Would he be happier if he had 12 catches and lost?

All signs point to yes. These receivers are tired of seeing Jamarr Chase blowing up every week.

They'll get more tired of being 5-8, IMO.

They need stats and wins to achieve happiness.

Stats are great, but wins cure all. I'd think that Chase would gladly give back 2-3 receptions per game for 3-4 more games in the win column. But maybe not. I remember in '22 in the Divisional round of the playoffs the Eagles were on their way to a Giants curb stomping. While up something like 30 to 6 in the fourth quarter, AJ Brown was seen bitching on the sidelines about his lack of targets.

 

[Rig24]

Dirty hip tackle on Brown at the end of the game...disgusting. Will be freaking out until I find out if he is seriously injured.

 

[Rig24]

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AJ Brown said after the game that he is fine after an awkward tackle at the end of the game Wasn’t walking with any limp or anything

 

[need2know]

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AJ Brown said after the game that he is fine after an awkward tackle at the end of the game Wasn’t walking with any limp or anything

Stud

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Man I hope he keeps cooking. He has to complain more often!

 

[ffguru56]

Racking my brain whether it's Brown or BTJ this week. Being on a BYE was so much less stressful.

 

[Faust]

Eagles' Brown: 'I'm OK with being whatever bad guy I have to be'

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Racking my brain whether it's Brown or BTJ this week. Being on a BYE was so much less stressful.

Both are good options, but I am only picking a few WRs over AJB each week and Thomas Jr. is not one of them.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

He's so back. I just pray Hurts is not out long-term.

 

[Jppaul]

He's limited with a knee issue.

With Lamb going on IR (Dak already there), do any of you think that PHI just runs the ball all game. I mean, isn't Barkley close to the record. It seems like PHI has multiple reasons to rest AJ?

 

[zamboni]

He's limited with a knee issue.

With Lamb going on IR (Dak already there), do any of you think that PHI just runs the ball all game. I mean, isn't Barkley close to the record. It seems like PHI has multiple reasons to rest AJ?

They’re gunning for the #1 seed in the NFC and a bye, so I doubt they want to rest any of their key players as long as they’re able to go.

 

[Dizzy]

He's limited with a knee issue.

With Lamb going on IR (Dak already there), do any of you think that PHI just runs the ball all game. I mean, isn't Barkley close to the record. It seems like PHI has multiple reasons to rest AJ?

They’re gunning for the #1 seed in the NFC and a bye, so I doubt they want to rest any of their key players as long as they’re able to go.

Fully agree. Both the teams they are chasing play the afternoon slot so... not even an opportunity to "scoreboard watch" to know their fate (or window of opportunity).

 

[RaidersAreOne]

First AJB TD was called back on a holding. Then he almost makes the catch of the year but is just OOB for another TD. Thankfully he shrugs it all off and gets a TD later anyways.

 

[Faust]

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[unckeyherb]

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[eighsse2]

This dude sure is garbage lately.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This dude sure is garbage lately.

Conditions may be a factor today.

 

[Uncle Leo]

This dude sure is garbage lately.

Conditions may be a factor today.

Loved how he’s celebrating his team’s success. You think Pickens does that?

 

[TampaMike19]

This dude sure is garbage lately.

Conditions may be a factor today.

Loved how he’s celebrating his team’s success. You think Pickens does that?

Brown does have his diva moments but when the chips are down, looks like a good teammate to me!

 

[scothawk]

This dude sure is garbage lately.

Gameplan and conditions and umm, lets be honest Hurts has been below his usual level of play. Throw in their RB breaking every game open and its a perfect storm against him.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I think the knee is a way bigger issue than they’re asvertising. Would not surprise me if he needs surgery in the off season.

 

[GoBirds]

He had one on his hands close to the goal line, gotta pull those in. Hopefully due for a bounce back but running the ball and defense is the name of the game this time of year.

 

[scothawk]

Also Hurts is regressing fast

 

[ShamrockPride]

Also Hurts is regressing fast

I just think it's another year of him not being healthy. He just may be that kind of guy.

He's a warrior though. You're not gonna hear him complain about it. But I think there's a lot more going on under the hood than they're letting on.

 

[eighsse2]

Also Hurts is regressing fast

I just think it's another year of him not being healthy. He just may be that kind of guy.

He's a warrior though. You're not gonna hear him complain about it. But I think there's a lot more going on under the hood than they're letting on.

One big factor is just the low attempts/game. Due to Barkley I suppose. Per attempt, he's done perfectly fine.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Also Hurts is regressing fast

I just think it's another year of him not being healthy. He just may be that kind of guy.

He's a warrior though. You're not gonna hear him complain about it. But I think there's a lot more going on under the hood than they're letting on.

One big factor is just the low attempts/game. Due to Barkley I suppose. Per attempt, he's done perfectly fine.

This was deliberate after the bye in week 5. The first 4 games, the Eagles passed a lot and turned the ball over a bunch. During the bye, the offense, partly due to pleas from the OL, was redesigned to become run-heavy, and the team won every game thereafter except the one where Hurts got hurt in the first quarter.

 

[menobrown]

I think he's absolutely dealing with an injury issue and hinted at such before the playoffs, saying stuff like no choice but to play.

But I wanted to ask if someone could explain something to me.

Next Gen Stats shows him having the third worst average separation in the league among qualifying WR's, just a tad better then Keon Coleman and MHJ. But in ESPN's Receiving analytic scores he's the league leader in their "Open" score which essentially measures the probability the WR could complete a catch if they were targeted?

I'm just puzzled howyou can almost the worst graded WR at separation but the league leader in likelihood of catching a pass if targeted? Does the ESPN "Open" score model just assume AJB is going to bully ball and make the catch no matter how covered he is? Really wanting to understand this above and beyond AJB, but he's a great case study.

 

[eighsse2]

I think he's absolutely dealing with an injury issue and hinted at such before the playoffs, saying stuff like no choice but to play.

But I wanted to ask if someone could explain something to me.

Next Gen Stats shows him having the third worst average separation in the league among qualifying WR's, just a tad better then Keon Coleman and MHJ. But in ESPN's Receiving analytic scores he's the league leader in their "Open" score which essentially measures the probability the WR could complete a catch if they were targeted?

I'm just puzzled howyou can almost the worst graded WR at separation but the league leader in likelihood of catching a pass if targeted? Does the ESPN "Open" score model just assume AJB is going to bully ball and make the catch no matter how covered he is? Really wanting to understand this above and beyond AJB, but he's a great case study.

Great observation and question, will be awaiting a good answer to this one.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think he's absolutely dealing with an injury issue and hinted at such before the playoffs, saying stuff like no choice but to play.

But I wanted to ask if someone could explain something to me.

Next Gen Stats shows him having the third worst average separation in the league among qualifying WR's, just a tad better then Keon Coleman and MHJ. But in ESPN's Receiving analytic scores he's the league leader in their "Open" score which essentially measures the probability the WR could complete a catch if they were targeted?

I'm just puzzled howyou can almost the worst graded WR at separation but the league leader in likelihood of catching a pass if targeted? Does the ESPN "Open" score model just assume AJB is going to bully ball and make the catch no matter how covered he is? Really wanting to understand this above and beyond AJB, but he's a great case study.

I mean I think it’s as simple as your suggestion. When he is in single coverage Jalen has no problem tossing it up and like 97% of the time AJ wins the battle. It’s probably like 80% when he’s double covered.

But yeah, he’s dealing with a knee injury and it’s very clearly affecting him on the field. I’d wager a hundred dollar bill that he gets a knee scope cleanup in the offseason.

 

[IHEARTFF]

If he catches that 22 yd TD, I think the narrative is probably a bit different. Hurts also missed him on another couple plays so far in the playoffs where he was open. It's definitely possible he's playing hurt and toughing it out.

 

[jm192]

He's a slight value.

He finished as the PPR WR 5 in 2023, WR6 in 2022. He averaged 1476 yards and 9 TD's those 2 seasons.
This past season, he was on pace for over 1400 yards and 9 TD's (8.5 that I'm rounding up if anyone wants to nitpick). He was the WR12 going by FPPG.

FBG has him ranked as their PPR WR12. Fantasypros has him as the PPR WR10. Those aren't bad or unreasonable rankings. But it seems like he can easily outperform this. I think after the top 5 or 6, you can rank the next 5 or 6 in any order and you probably won't be wrong by much.

If he winds up around WR10 or WR12 with 1400 yards and ~9-10 TD's, you're still really happy with that pick.

Edit: He's going ~mid 2nd round it looks like, which makes it a bit harder to capitalize. I think he's a hell of a pick at ADP. Maybe a little more motivation to pick around the middle if you're in a league to pick your spot.

 

[Payne]

He's a slight value.

He finished as the PPR WR 5 in 2023, WR6 in 2022. He averaged 1476 yards and 9 TD's those 2 seasons.
This past season, he was on pace for over 1400 yards and 9 TD's (8.5 that I'm rounding up if anyone wants to nitpick). He was the WR12 going by FPPG.

FBG has him ranked as their PPR WR12. Fantasypros has him as the PPR WR10. Those aren't bad or unreasonable rankings. But it seems like he can easily outperform this. I think after the top 5 or 6, you can rank the next 5 or 6 in any order and you probably won't be wrong by much.

If he winds up around WR10 or WR12 with 1400 yards and ~9-10 TD's, you're still really happy with that pick.

Edit: He's going ~mid 2nd round it looks like, which makes it a bit harder to capitalize. I think he's a hell of a pick at ADP. Maybe a little more motivation to pick around the middle if you're in a league to pick your spot.

I agree. He is a value this year.

 

[menobrown]

He's a good value relative to the cost you had to pay for him last year, but I also think he's getting drafted in the range he should get drafted so on the whole is that really value?

 

[Payne]

He's a good value relative to the cost you had to pay for him last year, but I also think he's getting drafted in the range he should get drafted so on the whole is that really value?

FBG has him ranked 12th behind players he could easily surpass. He could easily finish top 7. To me, that is a value. Not a lot, but some.

 

[menobrown]

He's a good value relative to the cost you had to pay for him last year, but I also think he's getting drafted in the range he should get drafted so on the whole is that really value?

FBG has him ranked 12th behind players he could easily surpass. He could easily finish top 7. To me, that is a value. Not a lot, but some.

I don't really pay attention to rankings so have no idea where people are ranking him but in actual drafts the last week he's going as WR11 and Overall 22 in a TEP format.

When I look at the 21 players getting picked ahead of him I think you could say all of them could easily finish top 7 and it's hard for me to say he's clearly better then anyone going over him.

Just looking at the 10 WR's getting drafted ahead of him that list in order is: Chase, JJ, Lamb, Nabers, Puka, BTJ, ARSB, Collins,London and Ladd.

I can certainly see preferring him to some of those 10 WR's getting drafted ahead of him but nothing about taking him over them would scream "value" to me. I do think where he's going does represent a tier break after where AJB is going but not a big one.

I get the gist of the OP saying he was value because I've been in some draft this year when I pick early in round one and see him approaching me in round 2 and because of what he cost last year with zero sign of play falling off I think it's amazing that I have the option of drafting AJB in late second . So like I started off by saying that feels like value, I just can't say it is relative to the other options that could have fallen to me.

More a case to me of just being pushed back from last year based a little on his lower target volume but mainly on an influx of new high caliber players.

 

[Payne]

He's a good value relative to the cost you had to pay for him last year, but I also think he's getting drafted in the range he should get drafted so on the whole is that really value?

FBG has him ranked 12th behind players he could easily surpass. He could easily finish top 7. To me, that is a value. Not a lot, but some.

I don't really pay attention to rankings so have no idea where people are ranking him but in actual drafts the last week he's going as WR11 and Overall 22 in a TEP format.

When I look at the 21 players getting picked ahead of him I think you could say all of them could easily finish top 7 and it's hard for me to say he's clearly better then anyone going over him.

Just looking at the 10 WR's getting drafted ahead of him that list in order is: Chase, JJ, Lamb, Nabers, Puka, BTJ, ARSB, Collins,London and Ladd.

I can certainly see preferring him to some of those 10 WR's getting drafted ahead of him but nothing about taking him over them would scream "value" to me. I do think where he's going does represent a tier break after where AJB is going but not a big one.

I get the gist of the OP saying he was value because I've been in some draft this year when I pick early in round one and see him approaching me in round 2 and because of what he cost last year with zero sign of play falling off I think it's amazing that I have the option of drafting AJB in late second . So like I started off by saying that feels like value, I just can't say it is relative to the other options that could have fallen to me.

More a case to me of just being pushed back from last year based a little on his lower target volume but mainly on an influx of new high caliber players.

I think he fits in right behind Chase, JJ, Lamb and ARSB. I don't have great confidence in Puka and he now shares with Adams. Nabers still has nobody throwing to him. BTJ might not even be the #1 on his own team to be honest. Collins is fantastic when healthy and how is Shrouds shoulder? I think Brown is ahead of London and Ladd easily. So that puts him in the mix as a top 5 WR that can be had at #12 price. Again, not great value, but value none the less.

 

[pinkstapler]

Hurts was 22nd in the league in passing attempts, 21st in passing TDs, and 20th in passing yards. They dominated the league, went 14-3, and won the SB. Devonta Smith is still there and is one of the better WR2s in the league. Saquon Barkley is still there and one of, if not the, best RBs in the league (and he is predominantly the reason for the passing numbers changing from what they were in 22/23 to what they were in 24).

AJB a top 5 WR talent in the league, sure, I don't see much debate to be had there. Top 5 fantasy WR? I think you'd need a long term Barkley injury to get those results. We've seen 0 indication the team is changing their formula coming into this season, and why would they coming off a SB win. I'd say WR12 feels just about right for ADP. I wouldn't fight too hard maybe a couple spots higher, but top 5 fantasy finish seems like rose colored glasses to me. It's not a knock against AJB's talent; just an acknowledgement of his situation. I also don't want to be spending a second round pick on a player who likely needs a star teammate to get an injury to open up his ceiling.

 

[Payne]

Hurts was 22nd in the league in passing attempts, 21st in passing TDs, and 20th in passing yards. They dominated the league, went 14-3, and won the SB. Devonta Smith is still there and is one of the better WR2s in the league. Saquon Barkley is still there and one of, if not the, best RBs in the league (and he is predominantly the reason for the passing numbers changing from what they were in 22/23 to what they were in 24).

AJB a top 5 WR talent in the league, sure, I don't see much debate to be had there. Top 5 fantasy WR? I think you'd need a long term Barkley injury to get those results. We've seen 0 indication the team is changing their formula coming into this season, and why would they coming off a SB win. I'd say WR12 feels just about right for ADP. I wouldn't fight too hard maybe a couple spots higher, but top 5 fantasy finish seems like rose colored glasses to me. It's not a knock against AJB's talent; just an acknowledgement of his situation. I also don't want to be spending a second round pick on a player who likely needs a star teammate to get an injury to open up his ceiling.

Fair enough.