Sure that's all obvious or should be but unless unless we all universally agree that Big Ben is the best QB to ever walk the face of the planet it's also ludicrous to suggest that the top reason he's been that productive is not about him specifically. We can laundry list to death other players who have been in similar positive situations but none that produced like him so consistently over a 6 year period. Playing with a QB like Big Ben in an offense that got him the ball absolutely helps and why even if I was not a Steelers fan I wish they could have worked it out but this thought process some are throwing out like he's a product of the system/QB is a horrendous take. This is the new societal normal. Someone acts out or does something wrong. Social media piles on, everyone piles on, player starts appearing more toxic and during the process of this piling on people forget the positive and all anyone can see is the negative stuff people are spouting off left and right. Amazing how quickly people's perceptions get changed.
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I posted his numbers to remind people of how good he is. You are talking about something totally different and also mainly wrong but you do you.
Dr. Octopus
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Bronco Billy
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Enderdog
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Silver & Black
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The plan WAS to stockpile picks, free up lots of salary space and build around youth at the core. I think this plan has come to fruition and now they are going to start the 2 year process of turning these things into a solid nucleus for a strong contender when we hit Vegas. I am a huge fan of Brown's talent and think he may very well be the best WR in the game. That said, I'm glad it appears the Raiders weren't willing to dump a first rounder to get him. To me, I am taking that as a sign of growth for Gruden and the front office. I have high hopes for this year and next year's drafts putting the Raiders in fine position to be a solid contender when we become the Vegas Raiders in 2020.
Bronco Billy
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Bah - nevermind. Not going to drop down to someone making excuses for Brown. My bad in the first place
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krsone21
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Winning football games, shouldn't that be every teams plan. When Cook is your best receiving weapon a player like AB will be a welcome addition to that offense IF he ends up with the Raiders.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Now the eagles are in the mix ....
joey
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I think Mack might’ve helped with this as well. You know exactly what my point is, though. You trade away young studs to build for the future, get all these picks, and then show interest in an "old" WR with wants to be the highest paid WR in the game. You know it doesn’t add up.
Deamon
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Ya I just got this update as well. Quite surprised by this. We don't have a ton of cap room and we seem to need the picks.
barackdhouse
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Previous rumor was Aguilar and a pick. A bidding war between these teams could be nice. Maybe squeeze a deal similar to what the bills offered from raiders
Deamon
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Thing is, Philly doesn't have a 3rd rounder (have 2 2nds though). I don't think we'd give up a 2, and don't think a 4 is enough. Maybe a 2020 3rd + Nelson?
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Deamon
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Deamon
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I can see the Raiders giving up their 2nd this year and a conditional pick next year depending on Browns performance/mental state.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
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Where are some good Twitter's to find some rumors on this topic?
Leeroy Jenkins
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I know Antonio is making things difficult for potential teams and the steelers are asking for a lot, but what are the true odds of any player picked or a wr picked in this draft at any selection being a hof player or projecting out at AB’s production these next few years ever?
True, but you must pay Antonio 5 times as much and there’s the chance he quits the team again
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Andy Dufresne
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King of the Jungle
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Sure, I was being a bit of a jerk to Antonio with that projection. I could see him in the 82-1075 range. He is definitely a great wide receiver, one of the best of all time. He has also been fortunate enough to have a WR friendly offense, an HOF QB, and other threats on offense to keep defenses honest. I do not doubt his talent, but if he ends up in OAK he will have a drastic reduction of production (certainly not all his fault).
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Since he full on broke out 6 years ago he's had 5 games without Ben. 3 of those games were started by Michael Vick and two by Landry Jones.
He was awful with Michael Vick. 5/42, 3/45, 3/24. But all he needed was someone the caliber of Landry Jones to go 6/124 and 7/106. Add it all up and prorate it over 16 weeks and with a god awful duo of old Vick and Landry Jones it's 77/1,107. Since 3 games out of 5 were bad I guess if you really want to beat the he was garbage in most games drum then beat away.
See above.
Old Michael Vick and Landry Jones who has not been able to land on a roster since as even a backup are not anything remotely on par with most other QB's in the league.
I wish they would, I really do. Don't like their whole approach they've taken on this AB fiasco since it started and really think if they had it to do over again they'd do a lot of things differently.
He's not QB proof, no one is. Had he landed in Buffalo that's about the range I'd have put him, maybe a little less on receptions and more yards as I think he'd have become more of a big play guy and less volume. And this was point I meant to make earlier when referencing Osweiller. Some QB/WR pairings are particularly bad fits. Osweiller is good for no one, but his reluctance to trust Hopkins to make a play was a particularly bad fit with Hopkins who is one of those open when he's not guys. In AB's case playing with an inaccruate QB would be the worst thing for him. Josh Allen would have been a horrendous fit.
If he's a Raider, especially studying success of older WR's under Gruden, targets I'd expect him to get on team that rarely will have chances to sit on a lead, I'd put him in the 100/1200 range, basically lower end of the worst he's been in past 6 years.
King of the Jungle
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I just think it is hard to compare Gruden of past to now. It is not out of question that the game has passed him by and he may have not have what it takes to lead a successful offense in today’s game (some have debated that he was a bit overrated back in the day). I just don’t think it is a forgone conclusion that Brown puts up above average numbers without his HOF QB, WR friendly offense, and multiple other threats to keep the defense honest. Time will tell, should be an interesting development to watch.
I found the way Jordy Nelson finished the season pretty encouraging myself and all kidding aside he looked so bad to me last year that a few times I thought he might retire before end of season.
Will be interesting for sure. AB sure is will have a point to prove he can do without Ben and I don't think this was lost on the Steelers when they tried to send him to Buffalo either. Nothing is a foregone conclusion but if he's a Raider I'll be investing with confidence.
irish eyes
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So what is the moron going to do if they cant trade him? I hope it comes to that & he sits out so he doesn't get paid. What does that tell you when they cant get even get remotely decent compensation. They took care of him financially when they didn't have to. I didn't like what bell did but he wasn't under contract. Screw Brown, he is an idiot, and I think has mental issues. If he plays somewhere else next year you can cut last years numbers in half at least.
Mr. Peterson
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In light of updated reports suggesting his contract demands continue to be an issue it's time for Steelers to take back control. I'm sure a team out there will pay AB $18-20M, I'm sure a team out there will compensate the Steelers to their pleasing for him, but I don't think any team will do both of those things.
Here is what I can only hope Colbert is telling Rosenhaus/AB tonight. "We tried to do right for all parties and find a trade partner but your contract negotiations have impeded all trade progress. We will not accept any less compensation then we agreed to with team X, if you are unable to agree to contract terms with team X based on compensation we are getting back by start of the new league year we are pulling AB off the trade market and he will be a Steeler in 2019 or he will not play in the NFL. Please be advised any mandatory missed time will be fined up to an including recouping any previously paid bonus money should AB choose to sit out out any portion of the 2019 season. You have until the new league year."
DropKick
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Needs to change his handle to "Me know Brown".Uh oh. Meno Brown is not going to be very happy about this post.
Mr. Peterson
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I've discussed a variety of topics on AB and I've been far from universally positive regarding him and general highly critical of his actions this from week 17 till now. A lot of simple jacks in here that can't differentiate between being down on his current actions and still acknowledging he's been and remains a great player.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Did you just call me an idiot?
My whole point is you’re simply taking everything too personal. Relax. Antonio is not gonna come on here and thank you for defending him no matter what anybody says about him.
I'd have put your opinion in the bad takes department. The Irish guy in the idiot aisle but I don't read his takes anymore.Did you just call me an idiot?
My whole point is you’re simply taking everything too personal. Relax. Antonio is not gonna come on here and thank you for defending him no matter what anybody says about him.
Not a thing about me is taking this personal and that is a baseless accusation. Contrary to your belief I've not defended him at all costs and have been pretty down on everything he's done since week 17 but I can separate how he's acting from the player he is.
krsone21
Footballguy
This Raider fan will except AB with open arms. This team needs offensive weapons. I don't care how old AB is he is still one of the best WR's in the league.
Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me about the Mack trade. Did I want to lose Mack, nope, but let's be honest the team didn't win many games with him on the team.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I actually went through and saw some of your critical comments. So you’re not defending him no matter what. But for a while you seemed to not acknowledge Browns craziness recently.
Yea, his stats are incredible. But he’s close to being the most unstable WR of all time. And there’s definitely been some crazies out there.
Will you accept him at $20mil per year? I'd be pretty pissed paying him that much based on our roster. The only good thing is we have no up and coming young WR's that he can poison.
