WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (5 Viewers)

[Soulfly3]

I have a feeling if we were talking about almost ANY other team, we wouldn't be saying "the team has the leverage".

Maybe KC. That's about it.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

He could sit out 6 weeks. Or whatever. Just because you and I consider it stupid doesn’t make it unlikely or impossible.

That said, I agree that it would be stupid.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

He could sit out 6 weeks. Or whatever. Just because you and I consider it stupid doesn’t make it unlikely or impossible.

That said, I agree that it would be stupid.

Also, if he’s fighting over a couple of million dollars difference, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to lose many more millions than that by sitting out.

But you’re right… We have no idea what Brandon Aiyuk is thinking here.

 

[packdog]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

He could sit out 6 weeks. Or whatever. Just because you and I consider it stupid doesn’t make it unlikely or impossible.

That said, I agree that it would be stupid.

Also, if he’s fighting over a couple of million dollars difference, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to lose many more millions than that by sitting out.

But you’re right… We have no idea what Brandon Aiyuk is thinking here.

i know exactly what aiyuk is thinking. the same as the other big time wrs holding in. he wants to get paid and have guarantees in the amounts. threatening to lose 14m by holding out is nothing in the long run when you have 100m or more and like 70-80m in guarantees waiting for you. a knee injury playing on the cheap is too risky to sacrifice the big payday. plus, he's in a position to go where he wants. playing on his current contract would be the stupid move

 

[jabarony]

just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap

I just want to point out to people who do want to bash the 49'ers for being cheap that they are 4th in the league in actual cash spending on players. $21M behind the leader(Eagles) and a whopping $100M over the team in last, which is not a team people associate with cheap-at least not until this off-season.

Also not paying a player what they want does not mean a team is cheap. It likely means they'd just rather spend that money elsewhere.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap

I just want to point out to people who do want to bash the 49'ers for being cheap that they are 4th in the league in actual cash spending on players. $21M behind the leader(Eagles) and a whopping $100M over the team in last, which is not a team people associate with cheap-at least not until this off-season.

Also not paying a player what they want does not mean a team is cheap. It likely means they'd just rather spend that money elsewhere.

Bingo. They’ve made it abundantly clear that they see Fred Warner, CMC, Trent Williams, George Kittle, and Deebo Samuel as higher priorities.

That said, $26 million a year for four years isn’t exactly an insulting offer.

 

[massraider]

Also, if he’s fighting over a couple of million dollars difference, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to lose many more millions than that by sitting out.

14 miill divided by 18 weeks=$777,777 weekly paychecks.

Multiply by 6 games (the acceptable amount to sit out, and still count the season towards free agency) : $4.666 million

Taxes etc, and amount of dollars actually hitting the bank account: $2.3 mill, give or take.

That is no joke, and I don't think it'll get to that point, but maybe only one game convinces the team he's serious. And that will only cost him 350 grand, give or take.

 

[Anarchy99]

As the best Team in the NFL.

Funny, I thought the last two Lombardi trophies found their way to Kansas City. But I don't watch much football these days.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

Wanting 2 first round picks for Brandon Ayuk is bad faith?

I’m confused by that. Can you explain?

Let's say that link is true. (I don't know if it is or not) You can't tell your player to go find a team and negotiate a contract if your asking price is so high that no one will make the trade even if he does agree to a deal.

That is why I said IF this story is true then the 49ers are negotiating in bad faith.

If you were the 49ers, and the only thing being offered were pics, wouldn’t you ask for two first round picks?

No

 

[Rockchild]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

I don't see a season long hold out but, like others have mentioned, maybe the 6 weeks he can and his neck injury, or whatever it is, lingers. I don't blame him for trying to maximize his return. It's easy for us to say it's only a couple of million difference but it's a couple of million difference!!!

 

[nittanylion]

Why not?

"Don't ask, don't get; the worst that can happen is 'no' ", which gives one the added benefit of creating a formidable follow-up request, utilizing addtional info, acquired at no cost.

That's how I've handled every single negotiation I've made since I learned how to negotiate, both personally and professionally.

Ask for the universe, and, in falling short, realize that the galaxy makes for a pretty sweet consolation prize.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

I don't see a season long hold out but, like others have mentioned, maybe the 6 weeks he can and his neck injury, or whatever it is, lingers. I don't blame him for trying to maximize his return. It's easy for us to say it's only a couple of million difference but it's a couple of million difference!!!

See, I didn’t mean it in the context of “it’s only a couple of million dollars”

I meant it in the context of “he’s negotiating to try to get a couple more million a year, so losing three, five, $8 million by holding out for six weeks… The math isn’t mathing”

 

[Deamon]

i know exactly what aiyuk is thinking.

What does he feel like having for dinner tonight?

 

[massraider]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

I don't see a season long hold out but, like others have mentioned, maybe the 6 weeks he can and his neck injury, or whatever it is, lingers. I don't blame him for trying to maximize his return. It's easy for us to say it's only a couple of million difference but it's a couple of million difference!!!

Maybe his accountant is telling him that getting the bigger signing bonus will allow him to make up that difference quickly.

 

[Payne]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

 

[Payne]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

You literally answered your own question. He is worth a 1st. Not two. Sorry.

I would be shocked if any team gave up that much.

Edit: Hill is WAYYYYY better and received this. I just don't see two 1st rounders.

Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

You literally answered your own question. He is worth a 1st. Not two. Sorry.

I would be shocked if any team gave up that much.

Edit: Hill is WAYYYYY better and received this. I just don't see two 1st rounders.

Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks

Actually, yes, I did. I would not accept the same price that I paid for a player who has ascended since I drafted or purchased him.

As with any trade, the 49ers want to turn a profit on their investment. They drafted a guy who then out performed his draft position. Sort of like taking Puca in the fifth round, and dealing him a year later for the 1.0 one or 102 in super flex.

I think Brandon Aiyuk is worth more than a random first. Especially if there’s no player coming back as compensation. I don’t see that is particularly outrageous.

We can agree to disagree on Brandon ‘s value, though. Certainly in the eye of the beholder.

 

[msudaisy26]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

That isn't the way the NFL works. You are comping fantasy football to real life football.

 

[apalmer]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.

Doesn't mean it won't happen. See Bell, Le'Veon.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

You literally answered your own question. He is worth a 1st. Not two. Sorry.

I would be shocked if any team gave up that much.

Edit: Hill is WAYYYYY better and received this. I just don't see two 1st rounders.

Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks

Actually, yes, I did. I would not accept the same price that I paid for a player who has ascended since I drafted or purchased him.

As with any trade, the 49ers want to turn a profit on their investment. They drafted a guy who then out performed his draft position. Sort of like taking Puca in the fifth round, and dealing him a year later for the 1.0 one or 102 in super flex.

I think Brandon Aiyuk is worth more than a random first. Especially if there’s no player coming back as compensation. I don’t see that is particularly outrageous.

We can agree to disagree on Brandon ‘s value, though. Certainly in the eye of the beholder.

This isn't Fantasy Football. You get the value the market determines if you don't want to pony up for that 2nd contract. If BA stays a 49er and holds out, the chances of him being franchised in 2025 are nil and the 49ers get absolutely nothing of value for him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Doesn't mean it won't happen. See Bell, Le'Veon.

True, but that was a very different time. Certainly possible, but I think it’s unlikely.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This isn't Fantasy Football. You get the value the market determines if you don't want to pony up for that 2nd contract. If BA stays a 49er and holds out, the chances of him being franchised in 2025 are nil and the 49ers get absolutely nothing of value for him.

For sure. I don’t disagree with that. That said, if I’m the 49ers, I’m going to ask for two first round picks. And then I’ll wait to see what Pittsburgh counters with.

That doesn’t mean it’s unreasonable to ask for two round picks, which seemed to be the assertion. It’s not “bad faith” to ask for the moon.

And while it isn’t Fantasy Football, I do believe the 49ers would prefer to get more than they paid for an asset that is appreciated in value.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Two 1st rounders isn't bad faith, it's stupid. If that's what San Fran wants, he can stay.

They should be happy to get one 1st rounder.

They paid a 1st (well, a very early 2nd) and he’s put up WR1 numbers. Why would his value drop from when they drafted him?

Do you make deals like that in FF?

That isn't the way the NFL works. You are comping fantasy football to real life football.

Yes, that’s exactly what I was doing. I thought that was obvious.

Really, I’m just trying to get this topic three more pages in so my earlier prediction comes true.

 

[nittanylion]

How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.

 

[msudaisy26]

How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.

Because there is a huge difference between a ridiculous ask like two firsts and coming in with an offer in your favor and settling in the middle.

 

[LawFitz]

I think Brandon Aiyuk is worth more than a random first.

I do believe the 49ers would prefer to get more than they paid for an asset that is appreciated in value.

The problem with your line of thought here is that the contract he's demanding now is ten times the price of the contract they acquired when drafting him. The appreciation in value you are asserting is true for the player, but the monstrous additional salary-capital allocation makes up for a large portion, if not all of it, and some could argue even more - as in he's a good WR, but not $30 MM+ per year good. They are trading for the contract, not just the player - that nuance is what you seem to be missing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Brandon Aiyuk is worth more than a random first.

I do believe the 49ers would prefer to get more than they paid for an asset that is appreciated in value.

The problem with your line of thought here is that the contract he's demanding now is ten times the price of the contract they acquired when drafting him. The appreciation in value you are asserting is true for the player, but the monstrous additional salary-capital allocation makes up for a large portion, if not all of it, and some could argue even more - as in he's a good WR, but not $30 MM+ per year good. They are trading for the contract, not just the player - that nuance is what you seem to be missing.

Oh, I’m not missing it. I’m well aware of his demands.

But as has been pointed out, if it were just money, why didn’t he go to the patriots? Reportedly they were willing to pay that, and had a package the 49ers wanted.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.

Because there is a huge difference between a ridiculous ask like two firsts and coming in with an offer in your favor and settling in the middle.

Do we know what the Steelers countered with? Do we know that it’s a fact that the 49ers asked for two first round picks?

I’m not sure I’ve seen confirmation of either of those things.

 

[-jb-]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

 

[JoeJoe88]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

The artist formerly known as Robbie?

 

[-jb-]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

The artist formerly known as Robbie?

The immortal and illustrious.

 

[farfromforgotten]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

The artist formerly known as Robbie?

Also formerly known as Robby.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

I mean, he could be out of the league and nobody would care. This signing could mean nothing.

 

[Anarchy99]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

You mean the guy that caught 4 passes in Miami last year and spent most of the season on the practice squad? That performance somehow exempts him from being a camp body?

 

[Grid71]

Curious what the folks who say BA isn't elite thinks his trade value is worth. If he isn't worth DJ Moore money, he's not worth a 1st round pick either. Be lucky to get a 3rd which is higher than best case compensatory pick would be. Aiyuk is like the 5th best offensive skill player on the team anyhow. Bum. CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Brock, Aiyuk sound about right?

 

[massraider]

Do we know that it’s a fact that the 49ers asked for two first round picks?

I ain't even seen a link to rumor

 

[-jb-]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

You mean the guy that caught 4 passes in Miami last year and spent most of the season on the practice squad? That performance somehow exempts him from being a camp body?

16.6% of his targets were 60+ yard bombs for TDs. Who wouldn't want that?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kyle Shanahan: Hope Brandon Aiyuk's here, but ready for "next man up"

Aiyuk's future with the 49ers remains up in the air with Week One approaching.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[JohnnyU]

They signed Chosen, who is most certainly not a camp body, and most certainly is a perfect replacement for BA. Checkmate.

You mean the guy that caught 4 passes in Miami last year and spent most of the season on the practice squad? That performance somehow exempts him from being a camp body?

16.6% of his targets were 60+ yard bombs for TDs. Who wouldn't want that?

I just wish this was over and I don’t have any Aiyuk shares. I’m a fan of his play however.

 

[Soulfly3]

2 1sts?

They're likely not even getting 1. Maybe. Probably not.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Athletic’s Dianna Russini reports, “The 49ers, to this point, haven’t been satisfied with the Steelers’ offers” for Brandon Aiyuk.
According to Russini, the 49ers “would like a receiver in return for Aiyuk” but “are open to players at other positions.” As it stands right now, the Steelers seem like the most likely team to acquire the star receiver, especially with the Patriots now appearing out of the sweepstakes. However, this negotiation appears far from over for the time being. The 49ers have little ground to negotiate a more favorable trade at this time. Their relationship with Aiyuk appears frayed beyond repair at this point, and the downside to keeping him on the roster this season could mean another year of trade/contract negotiations next offseason when they would have to franchise tag him to keep him on the roster. We’ll likely know in the near future if the Steelers are willing to up their current offer or if they prefer to move on from trade discussions

 

[msudaisy26]

How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.

Because there is a huge difference between a ridiculous ask like two firsts and coming in with an offer in your favor and settling in the middle.

Do we know what the Steelers countered with? Do we know that it’s a fact that the 49ers asked for two first round picks?

I’m not sure I’ve seen confirmation of either of those things.

What kind of confirmation are you looking for? Is Lynch and the 49er front office going to come out and say it. I highly doubt it, but that link I sent said they were asking for two firsts.

 

[msudaisy26]

2 1sts?

They're likely not even getting 1. Maybe. Probably not.

This is where I am at. I would be pretty shocked if they got a first. Probably a conditional second and maybe a player that is a depth piece.

 

[msudaisy26]

The Athletic’s Dianna Russini reports, “The 49ers, to this point, haven’t been satisfied with the Steelers’ offers” for Brandon Aiyuk.
According to Russini, the 49ers “would like a receiver in return for Aiyuk” but “are open to players at other positions.” As it stands right now, the Steelers seem like the most likely team to acquire the star receiver, especially with the Patriots now appearing out of the sweepstakes. However, this negotiation appears far from over for the time being. The 49ers have little ground to negotiate a more favorable trade at this time. Their relationship with Aiyuk appears frayed beyond repair at this point, and the downside to keeping him on the roster this season could mean another year of trade/contract negotiations next offseason when they would have to franchise tag him to keep him on the roster. We’ll likely know in the near future if the Steelers are willing to up their current offer or if they prefer to move on from trade discussions

This is why it is so weird. There were leaks that deals were in place with other teams and Aiyuk was holding it up, then the 49ers asking price is to high, now the Steelers aren't offering enough.

My guess is the 49ers are leaking stuff they want to drive up price or to get him to stay.

 

[sm8680]

Omar Khan infamously nicknamed the con artist. In my opinion will not fleece the 9'ers like he did the Bears. Nor grab Russell Wilson for next to nothing. I envision him circling his prey waiting them out. Problem is the 9'ers are better off with BA. BA is under contract and then next year he can be franchised. Although not ideal for BA could become disgruntled and sit out x amount of games this season.

If your the Steelers your trying to get BA on a discount trade. Steelers are better off developing their own WR via the draft which they are known for. Paying 30 million while not having an established QB under contract for 2 years doesn't make sense. Which has been mentioned HSG and others.

Could the infatuation with BA be because he looks like Mike Tomlin.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.

Because there is a huge difference between a ridiculous ask like two firsts and coming in with an offer in your favor and settling in the middle.

Do we know what the Steelers countered with? Do we know that it’s a fact that the 49ers asked for two first round picks?

I’m not sure I’ve seen confirmation of either of those things.

What kind of confirmation are you looking for? Is Lynch and the 49er front office going to come out and say it. I highly doubt it, but that link I sent said they were asking for two firsts.

Sorry, I’m on the road. Driving to Portland for a hot sauce expo. Just checking my phone at gas and urination stops.

Didn’t have time to look at that link to see if it was actually sourced. That was my question.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Omar Khan infamously nicknamed the con artist. In my opinion will not fleece the 9'ers like he did the Bears. Nor grab Russell Wilson for next to nothing. I envision him circling his prey waiting them out. Problem is the 9'ers are better off with BA. BA is under contract and then next year he can be franchised. Although not ideal for BA could become disgruntled and sit out x amount of games this season.

If your the Steelers your trying to get BA on a discount trade. Steelers are better off developing their own WR via the draft which they are known for. Paying 30 million while not having an established QB under contract for 2 years doesn't make sense. Which has been mentioned HSG and others.

Could the infatuation with BA be because he looks like Mike Tomlin.

I thought a trade was significantly more realistic when there were three teams involved. Now that it’s just down allegedly to the Steelers, that really hurts the return the 49ers can get. To me, that pretty much kills any chance of a trade… But I guess we’ll see soon. Or maybe we won’t. Lol.

 

[sm8680]

Brandon Aiyuk sends message to Mike Tomlin after NFL fans spot resemblance

SAN Francisco 49ers star Brandon Aiyuk has reached out to Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin in a post on social media. The Second-Team All-Pro wideout, 26, recently went viral on X, former…

www.the-sun.com

 

[crushedspirit]

Omar Khan infamously nicknamed the con artist. In my opinion will not fleece the 9'ers like he did the Bears. Nor grab Russell Wilson for next to nothing. I envision him circling his prey waiting them out. Problem is the 9'ers are better off with BA. BA is under contract and then next year he can be franchised. Although not ideal for BA could become disgruntled and sit out x amount of games this season.

If your the Steelers your trying to get BA on a discount trade. Steelers are better off developing their own WR via the draft which they are known for. Paying 30 million while not having an established QB under contract for 2 years doesn't make sense. Which has been mentioned HSG and others.

Could the infatuation with BA be because he looks like Mike Tomlin.

Another Steeler fan that knows how the Steelers operate.

Khan showed up to a Gucci shop with spare change in his pocket. I think SF will quickly get annoyed with their offers, which is why I predict he'll stay in SF. The only wildcard is if someone else comes in and makes a proper offer both parties can't pass up.