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WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (3 Viewers)

Adrew Fillipponi of 93.7 the fan is like the weather person always guessing speculating and wrong most of the time. Andrew has indirectly spiked the pages in this thread with his speculation.

Gotta love copilots take on him. "Andrew Fillipponi does have a reputation for being quite opinionated and speculative, especially when it comes to sports commentary. His bold takes and predictions often stir up a lot of discussions and debates among fans. Do you enjoy his style, or do you find it a bit too much?"
 
Omar Khan infamously nicknamed the con artist. In my opinion will not fleece the 9'ers like he did the Bears. Nor grab Russell Wilson for next to nothing. I envision him circling his prey waiting them out. Problem is the 9'ers are better off with BA. BA is under contract and then next year he can be franchised. Although not ideal for BA could become disgruntled and sit out x amount of games this season.

If your the Steelers your trying to get BA on a discount trade. Steelers are better off developing their own WR via the draft which they are known for. Paying 30 million while not having an established QB under contract for 2 years doesn't make sense. Which has been mentioned HSG and others.

Could the infatuation with BA be because he looks like Mike Tomlin.
Except BA is done with the 49ers right now. I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached. Having him in and around the locker room is not a good thing. Khan and the Steelers really are in the drivers seat with this and I'd expect a deal to get done sooner or later...probably without a 1st round pick at all.
 
InDitkaWeTrust your bringing up a good point. But the 9'ers have been letting this grind out since after the Super Bowl or around the draft depending on ones take.

Both the 9ers and BA could be unreasonable and/or unrealistic with their asks. 9'ers could stand their ground and make an example indirectly with BA due to the fact that they tried to renogiate his contract. BA currently is a player asset for the 9'ers and trying to strike a deal with Omar whose a shrewd tradesman.
 
I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached.
How would this help any? His contract would toll, he'd still be bound to play for SFO, and his trade value and expected rate of pay would go down, not up.

It wouldn't. There are a lot of fans/posters who are ignorant to the rules established in the CBA. And then you have other posters agreeing. There are just a lot of people who don't understand (or care to understand) the details, which leads to inaccurate posts.
 
I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached.
How would this help any? His contract would toll, he'd still be bound to play for SFO, and his trade value and expected rate of pay would go down, not up.

It wouldn't. There are a lot of fans/posters who are ignorant to the rules established in the CBA. And then you have other posters agreeing. There are just a lot of people who don't understand (or care to understand) the details, which leads to inaccurate posts.
He isn't holding out. He is holding in.
 
Drunken Cowboy yes holding in. He's at camp not participating but making his presence known hoping to score a bigger contract. If he were totally done with the 9ers he'd of skipped camp. A huge part of me hopes he stays in SF. 9ers offense is well suited for him
 
I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached.
How would this help any? His contract would toll, he'd still be bound to play for SFO, and his trade value and expected rate of pay would go down, not up.

It wouldn't. There are a lot of fans/posters who are ignorant to the rules established in the CBA. And then you have other posters agreeing. There are just a lot of people who don't understand (or care to understand) the details, which leads to inaccurate posts.
Inaccurate? No. Hold out, hold in (by suiting up and refusing to get on the field), it's all semantics. I'm sure BA will do the bare minimum required to fulfill his negotiated contract terms seeing as little of the field as possible. He won't be a contributor on the SFO offense this year. Next year, SFO would have to franchise tag him to retain his rights.
 
Drunken Cowboy yes holding in. He's at camp not participating but making his presence known hoping to score a bigger contract. If he were totally done with the 9ers he'd of skipped camp. A huge part of me hopes he stays in SF. 9ers offense is well suited for him
No, that is not even a little bit correct. He is holding in because he doesn't want to pay fines. If they don't trade him, they will pay him 15 million to sit
 
I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached.
How would this help any? His contract would toll, he'd still be bound to play for SFO, and his trade value and expected rate of pay would go down, not up.

It wouldn't. There are a lot of fans/posters who are ignorant to the rules established in the CBA. And then you have other posters agreeing. There are just a lot of people who don't understand (or care to understand) the details, which leads to inaccurate posts.
He isn't holding out. He is holding in.
And there are posters referencing holding out (not in). Chris Jones did that and lost ~$4M.

If people mean something else, they should say so. Words matter.
 
I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached.
How would this help any? His contract would toll, he'd still be bound to play for SFO, and his trade value and expected rate of pay would go down, not up.

It wouldn't. There are a lot of fans/posters who are ignorant to the rules established in the CBA. And then you have other posters agreeing. There are just a lot of people who don't understand (or care to understand) the details, which leads to inaccurate posts.
He isn't holding out. He is holding in.
And there are posters referencing holding out (not in). Chris Jones did that and lost ~$4M.

If people mean something else, they should say so. Words matter.
Again, it's semantics. BA is clearly doing what he needs to do in training camp to satisfy his minimum obligations so the contract isn't tolled. It would make no sense for him to satisfy those minimum obligations and then no-show for the entirety of the season. Of course, BA will lose the 5th year option salary for the games he doesn't attend, but he clearly is intending to suit up the minimum (6 or 8 games, it's quite ambiguous) in-season to make sure the season isn't tolled.
 
How are they supposed to get a first rounder in return if they don't ask for more in their initial salvo?

...and this is pure real-world business acumen, not Fantasy Football-specific.

Few and far between are the people I've negotiated anything with, that came with an initial offer that was 'first offer, best offer' or didn't expect to negotiate down from more than what they were expecting, that's for sure.
Exactly!
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
I stay pretty quiet about this because I’ve always believed that he’ll be with the 49ers this year. I don’t think any of us truly know what Aiyuk’s issue is with the 49ers and exactly what it is that he wants at this point. In mid-June he had the FaceTime video with Jayden Daniels in which he stated “they don’t want me back”. The whole thing is just bizarre. Seems like a lot of posturing on both sides now. To me anyway. I think the Niners knew he wouldn’t want to go to New England or Cleveland. It’s not a good time to try and pull a trade of this magnitude. If a WR comes back in return they have to learn the system and gain some chemistry with Brock. Of course the same can be said of Aiyuk going to another club. I don’t see other teams wanting to give up a 1st rd pick and signing him to a big deal either, as great as I believe him to be.

So all that to say that I don’t know if he would have stayed if SF offered him that contract or not. Sometimes guys just want a change of scenery for one reason or another. I still believe that he will be a 49er this season.
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
Brother I’m so heavily invested from a FF perspective, let me tell you.

1. I have Deebo after dealing for him late last year.

2. I have Warren in a league,

3. I have Fields in 2 leagues.

4. I have Amari after dealing for him late last year

5. I traded for Dotson (outside shot at a WAS deal)

6. I’m a 49ers fan!

It’s maddening to not know what’s going on!
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
Brother I’m so heavily invested from a FF perspective, let me tell you.

1. I have Deebo after dealing for him late last year.
2. I have Warren in a league,
3. I have Fields in 2 leagues.
4. I have Amari after dealing for him late last year
5. I traded for Dotson (outside shot at a WAS deal)
6. I’m a 49ers fan!
It’s maddening to not know what’s going on!
Yeah. I would hate to be in keeper/dynasty leagues and have to sit back and see how this unfolds.
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
I stay pretty quiet about this because I’ve always believed that he’ll be with the 49ers this year. I don’t think any of us truly know what Aiyuk’s issue is with the 49ers and exactly what it is that he wants at this point. In mid-June he had the FaceTime video with Jayden Daniels in which he stated “they don’t want me back”. The whole thing is just bizarre. Seems like a lot of posturing on both sides now. To me anyway. I think the Niners knew he wouldn’t want to go to New England or Cleveland. It’s not a good time to try and pull a trade of this magnitude. If a WR comes back in return they have to learn the system and gain some chemistry with Brock. Of course the same can be said of Aiyuk going to another club. I don’t see other teams wanting to give up a 1st rd pick and signing him to a big deal either, as great as I believe him to be.

So all that to say that I don’t know if he would have stayed if SF offered him that contract or not. Sometimes guys just want a change of scenery for one reason or another. I still believe that he will be a 49er this season.
its hard to say. we dont know all the facts.

but I will say I find it convenient that when a team has a player that goes out and does things like Aiyuk has and causes all kinds of drama and such the player almost always gets dealt to a really crappy team.

not sure if this was intentional or if those were literally the only teams interested.

either way when I see a player getting this concerned about his money when he still has a year left on his contract I have to think the guy is a Deva. and from the sound of it, he wants what the top WR are getting yet has never produced at that level.

no surprise there are not that many buyers. good organizations dont wanna bring that element into their dressing room. what are you left with? the browns

if hes smart he just plays out his last year of his contract, balls out and then goes wherever the market takes him. but it wont go down that way. I see a lot of drama. Not ideal.
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but I will say I find it convenient that when a team has a player that goes out and does things like Aiyuk has and causes all kinds of drama and such the player almost always gets dealt to a really crappy team.

not sure if this was intentional or if those were literally the only teams interested.
Crappy teams often have cap space. Crappy teams need good players. Crappy teams might be more willing to overpay a player as they can struggle to attract talent.

Just a theory.
 
As a FF'er who hates the 49'ers, I am only following because many players values will rise and fall based on the outcome. Another question for those in the know - would Aiyuk have agreed to stay in SF if they offered what NE offered?
Brother I’m so heavily invested from a FF perspective, let me tell you.

1. I have Deebo after dealing for him late last year.
2. I have Warren in a league,
3. I have Fields in 2 leagues.
4. I have Amari after dealing for him late last year
5. I traded for Dotson (outside shot at a WAS deal)
6. I’m a 49ers fan!
It’s maddening to not know what’s going on!
Yeah. I would hate to be in keeper/dynasty leagues and have to sit back and see how this unfolds.
Try being in a dynasty league with your WR of Lamb and Aiyuk. Talk about a huge swing in potential at this point...UGH
 
if hes smart he just plays out his last year of his contract, balls out and then goes wherever the market takes him. but it wont go down that way. I see a lot of drama. Not ideal.
Or he goes out there and gets a career ending injury and misses out on the payday he earned based on his previous performance. I see both sides of it and have no idea what the right answer is. I don't players for thinking about the future and understanding the injury risk associated with this game. Making it through a season unscathed is not a foregone conclusion.
 
Curious what the folks who say BA isn't elite thinks his trade value is worth. If he isn't worth DJ Moore money, he's not worth a 1st round pick either. Be lucky to get a 3rd which is higher than best case compensatory pick would be. Aiyuk is like the 5th best offensive skill player on the team anyhow. Bum. CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Brock, Aiyuk sound about right?

I don't think he is worth $30 mil a year. DJ Moore is a better receiver.
 
he ain't moving. this is taking way too long.
I can understand why if they want two 1st rounders.
Aiyuk isn't priced to move, and that's because the 49ers really don't want to move him (nor should they). They have a Pro Bowl caliber WR at an affordable price for a 2024 season with Super Bowl aspirations. Why move away from that so easily? Didn't want to pay a 1st before the NFL Draft, and now hoping Aiyuk will somehow be available for less just because the season is about to begin? Show us how bad you want him, we'll take two 1st rounders and you can pay him the money he's looking for on top of that. That's the cost of taking away our quarterback's favorite target on short notice.

I have no way of knowing how the 49ers actually do things or why they do it, but I wonder if they're playing hardball with him because of his attitude since February. Otherwise it could've been easier to simply give him a pay raise for 2024 with more guarantees and then try to negotiate again in the offseason. I get Aiyuk wanting the security and seeing others get those big extensions before him. But there also needs to be some professionalism involved in the process, and Aiyuk being passive aggressive about it on social media isn't how you do it.

I'm thinking now the 49ers just stay put and keep Aiyuk unless a team blows them out of the water with a deal (which I don't see happening barring a catastrophic injury). There's something to be said about not enabling this sort of stuff.
 
he ain't moving. this is taking way too long.
I can understand why if they want two 1st rounders.
Aiyuk isn't priced to move, and that's because the 49ers really don't want to move him (nor should they). They have a Pro Bowl caliber WR at an affordable price for a 2024 season with Super Bowl aspirations. Why move away from that so easily? Didn't want to pay a 1st before the NFL Draft, and now hoping Aiyuk will somehow be available for less just because the season is about to begin? Show us how bad you want him, we'll take two 1st rounders and you can pay him the money he's looking for on top of that. That's the cost of taking away our quarterback's favorite target on short notice.

I have no way of knowing how the 49ers actually do things or why they do it, but I wonder if they're playing hardball with him because of his attitude since February. Otherwise it could've been easier to simply give him a pay raise for 2024 with more guarantees and then try to negotiate again in the offseason. I get Aiyuk wanting the security and seeing others get those big extensions before him. But there also needs to be some professionalism involved in the process, and Aiyuk being passive aggressive about it on social media isn't how you do it.

I'm thinking now the 49ers just stay put and keep Aiyuk unless a team blows them out of the water with a deal (which I don't see happening barring a catastrophic injury). There's something to be said about not enabling this sort of stuff.

You aren't factoring in the negatives. Having a guy play out his contract because he is cheap isn't the best for morale. These are human beings not robots. Show us how bad you want him? That isn't how trades work unless teams are desperate for the guy and no one is.

I am sure there is enough blame to go around between Aiyuk and the 49ers front office, but the 49ers have handled this situation horribly.
 
he ain't moving. this is taking way too long.
I can understand why if they want two 1st rounders.
Aiyuk isn't priced to move, and that's because the 49ers really don't want to move him (nor should they). They have a Pro Bowl caliber WR at an affordable price for a 2024 season with Super Bowl aspirations. Why move away from that so easily? Didn't want to pay a 1st before the NFL Draft, and now hoping Aiyuk will somehow be available for less just because the season is about to begin? Show us how bad you want him, we'll take two 1st rounders and you can pay him the money he's looking for on top of that. That's the cost of taking away our quarterback's favorite target on short notice.

I have no way of knowing how the 49ers actually do things or why they do it, but I wonder if they're playing hardball with him because of his attitude since February. Otherwise it could've been easier to simply give him a pay raise for 2024 with more guarantees and then try to negotiate again in the offseason. I get Aiyuk wanting the security and seeing others get those big extensions before him. But there also needs to be some professionalism involved in the process, and Aiyuk being passive aggressive about it on social media isn't how you do it.

I'm thinking now the 49ers just stay put and keep Aiyuk unless a team blows them out of the water with a deal (which I don't see happening barring a catastrophic injury). There's something to be said about not enabling this sort of stuff.

You aren't factoring in the negatives. Having a guy play out his contract because he is cheap isn't the best for morale. These are human beings not robots. Show us how bad you want him? That isn't how trades work unless teams are desperate for the guy and no one is.

I am sure there is enough blame to go around between Aiyuk and the 49ers front office, but the 49ers have handled this situation horribly.
Yeah I think if the 49ers weren't committed to extended him they should've traded him earlier this offseason and not let this drag into August, especially once Aiyuk had already shown signs of displeasure. Nip it in the bud as they say. And if they did want to keep Aiyuk long term it would've been smarter to set the market rather than wait for others to set that bar even higher. Had to know that having Aiyuk play below market value, with a 2025 franchise tag possibly looming, wasn't going to be satisfactory. It's complicated because there's enough blame for both sides. It shouldn't have gotten to this point.
 
Mile-high perspective:
A lot of the stuff we think we know, we don’t actually know.

Have the 49ers handled it horribly? :shrug:
Is the relationship irreparably impaired? :shrug:
Is Aiyuk pissed at the team? :shrug:
Does Aiyuk feel disrespected? :shrug:
Are the 49ers tired of Aiyuk’s antics? :shrug:

These are all the narratives floating around. The fact is that most of what we know is guesswork by an early August media that’s got little else to write about.

As Joe B put it, thats the nature of news in the social media era.

I still believe the 49ers may end up extending Aiyuk. We think we know stuff because a lot of folks in the NFL ecosystem have been saying stuff, bloggers, Xwitterers, FF content creators, etc.

But the fact is that the team isn’t saying anything and the player isn’t saying anything. And right now those are really the only two parties that actually knows what’s going on.
 
As much as this is annoying; it's miles better than the summer we spent debating about Desean Watson. I'd read another 20 pages of this before having to see people asking about how his masseuses were dressed and whether or not those who run their business over Instagram were "asking for it". Give me the trade drama every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
Mile-high perspective:
A lot of the stuff we think we know, we don’t actually know.

Have the 49ers handled it horribly? :shrug:
Is the relationship irreparably impaired? :shrug:
Is Aiyuk pissed at the team? :shrug:
Does Aiyuk feel disrespected? :shrug:
Are the 49ers tired of Aiyuk’s antics? :shrug:

These are all the narratives floating around. The fact is that most of what we know is guesswork by an early August media that’s got little else to write about.

As Joe B put it, thats the nature of news in the social media era.

I still believe the 49ers may end up extending Aiyuk. We think we know stuff because a lot of folks in the NFL ecosystem have been saying stuff, bloggers, Xwitterers, FF content creators, etc.

But the fact is that the team isn’t saying anything and the player isn’t saying anything. And right now those are really the only two parties that actually knows what’s going on.
Yeah.

Worse negotiations than this have ended with a kiss and make up.

It's sticky, but no reason it can't be fixed. Lot of assumptions being made everywhere.
 
I have zero issue's with how SF has handled this situation. They made him a competitive offer, he refused it so not sure where this notion is coming from that they did not try and extend him.
i also have zero issues. guy is under contract for one more year. there is no need to be in a hurry. I think by making an offer they showed they are willing to talk.
 
Don't know structure but Dianna Russini is reporting that NE offered him $32.5M a year and worked out the trade with SF which was already reported.

Multiple thoughts on that if true but my main one as a Steeler's fan is nervousness. I want no part of that deal.
 
Don't know structure but Dianna Russini is reporting that NE offered him $32.5M a year and worked out the trade with SF which was already reported.

Multiple thoughts on that if true but my main one as a Steeler's fan is nervousness. I want no part of that deal.

Those kind of numbers are meaningless without the details. Agents throw in bogus last year numbers to prop up the average.
 
Tom Pelissero:

After months of speculation, sporadic negotiations and recent trade talks, the #49ers are pushing to get a deal done that keeps Brandon Aiyuk in San Francisco for the long haul.

Nothing done, but finally, things are moving.

 
Omar Khan infamously nicknamed the con artist. In my opinion will not fleece the 9'ers like he did the Bears. Nor grab Russell Wilson for next to nothing. I envision him circling his prey waiting them out. Problem is the 9'ers are better off with BA. BA is under contract and then next year he can be franchised. Although not ideal for BA could become disgruntled and sit out x amount of games this season.

If your the Steelers your trying to get BA on a discount trade. Steelers are better off developing their own WR via the draft which they are known for. Paying 30 million while not having an established QB under contract for 2 years doesn't make sense. Which has been mentioned HSG and others.

Could the infatuation with BA be because he looks like Mike Tomlin.
Except BA is done with the 49ers right now. I suspect he holds out for the season if a trade isn't reached. Having him in and around the locker room is not a good thing. Khan and the Steelers really are in the drivers seat with this and I'd expect a deal to get done sooner or later...probably without a 1st round pick at all.
He needs to play enough for the contract year to be counted, or he can sit for another year. He is under contract. I believe it's six games. I would need to look up all the specifications, but, I think it is six. I'm unsure of all the legal aspects, and there might be more.
 
Mile-high perspective:
A lot of the stuff we think we know, we don’t actually know.

Have the 49ers handled it horribly? :shrug:
Is the relationship irreparably impaired? :shrug:
Is Aiyuk pissed at the team? :shrug:
Does Aiyuk feel disrespected? :shrug:
Are the 49ers tired of Aiyuk’s antics? :shrug:

These are all the narratives floating around. The fact is that most of what we know is guesswork by an early August media that’s got little else to write about.

As Joe B put it, thats the nature of news in the social media era.

I still believe the 49ers may end up extending Aiyuk. We think we know stuff because a lot of folks in the NFL ecosystem have been saying stuff, bloggers, Xwitterers, FF content creators, etc.

But the fact is that the team isn’t saying anything and the player isn’t saying anything. And right now those are really the only two parties that actually knows what’s going on.
Yeah.

Worse negotiations than this have ended with a kiss and make up.

It's sticky, but no reason it can't be fixed. Lot of assumptions being made everywhere.
Exactly, see the Jonathan Taylor situation last year. That one was bizarre and contentious, and the man is still a Colt with a new contract. Anything can happen.
 
Just saw a report that Niners 8 Aiyuk are nearing a deal.

Don’t know how accurate. Tom Pellisaro - probably more reliable than “pretty Ricky” though.

Yes it just makes so much sense for both parties to work out a deal. Kittles is aging, Deebo missed 2 games last year, and anyone who drafts CMC will be praying he doesn't miss a game. The 3rd wide receiver Jennings isn't bad and Ricky Pearsell has a shoulder injury.
 
Absolutely pure BS and speculation on my part. Omar Khan Steelers GM low balling trade offers. Brought them together. Kyle goes we're not getting good value in return for you. We think your worth 2 number one picks. Kyle continues its a shame early in the year we were a few million away from a deal. Sure the latest signing effect any negotiations. Kyle goes we really need you so bad to help us win the Super Bowl. I want to win that so darn bad.

NFL network is reporting that Brandon and 49ers are making a renewed effort to try to get a long term deal with the estranged Brandon Ayuk.
 

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