And we’ll never know in this case. I think you’re right for some providers, but I think I’ve seen other sites handle differently. What site were you referring to?
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WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (2 Viewers)
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jumper
Footballguy
So I'm not a salary cap expert, but abovethecap.com showed Niners as having $39.1MM in cap space before the signing with Aiyuk being at $14.1MM before the extension. So subtract another $16MM from their cap (difference between old $14.1mm salary and new $30mm salary) and that leaves $23MM. That's going to make it really hard to extend Trent Williams unless he's willing to take a below-market deal.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Well, I guess Aiyuk knew what he was doing. The hold out and drama worked out exactly how he wanted.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
CBS & MFL would both only allow it for IR.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Or one that’s got some more guaranteed but back-loaded?
Got several other wr to hold out and get 30 mm also but I am also not super serious
jumper
Footballguy
No idea. I understand why they extended Aiyuk, but as others have said Trent Williams is more important to the team and he remains unsigned.
Tau837
Footballguy
My point was Aiyuk has an importance to what SF does beyond just catching passes. His blocking prowess enables many of the big plays (all long with others for sure) and not many WR's in the NFL can block like Aiyuk. It is one of the things he does best.
Sure, try to reason that out. The SF offense gained x yards. How much of x can we attribute to a single WR's blocking? We have to attribute credit to the QB, OL, FB, TE, and other WRs, as well as the ballcarrier... and we have to consider the quality of the opposing defense and the quality of the offensive playcalling. What do you figure, 5-10 yards per game due exclusively to Aiyuk's blocking? I think that is more than generous. So maybe ~85-170 yards per season? Does that make up for the difference in receiving production between Lamb and Aiyuk?
I get that. But when you try to actually place a tangible value on it, it doesn't turn out to be much. I knew this from past discussions in this forum about Hines Ward.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Only if his goal was to waste 18 days & piss off a bunch of people while causing unecessary drama and burning some goodwill with fans.
In that case, yes - he’s achieved that. Because reportedly he coulda signed this 18 days ago.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
maybe he was trying to get more but when push came to shove he took what he could get
FarFromHome
Footballguy
In a massive game of chicken, the Niners held their ground.
psychobillies
Footballguy
His goal was to get 30m a year with lots of guaranteed money and stay in San Fran. I suspect he cares 0 about what the fans think because all will be forgiven instantly if he produces.
Chaka
Footballguy
I can't think of a single reason why Aiyuk would, or should care about any of that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Some players do.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Which reportedly was on the table 18 days ago, so the last 18 days achieved nothing, is my point.
I guess it probably depends on what point in time you're talking about. Certainly not from the time that BA was asking for 28.5 per year.
The 49ers really read the market poorly on this one.
Wingnut
Footballguy
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
correct me if I'm misinterpreting your stance here but you are outraged that Aiyuk didn't sign this 18 days ago. I assume his intent was to hold out and try and get more $$$. So yes, maybe it backfired on him since the 49ers didn't cave...if you want to be outraged at Aiyuk for holding out fine but the holdout achieving nothing is more on the 49ers than Aiyuk.
FarFromHome said it best, it was a game of chicken.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Looks like the national nightmare is finally over.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The full contract terms haven’t been announced but there are several things at play. First, he signed a 4-year extension, meaning the starting off point is still $14 million for this year. However, the Niners can allocate the five years he is under contract for however they see fit, meaning they can give him a $1 million salary for this year and potentially reduce their cap hit for this year. Look at it this way: Aiyuk now has a 5-year, $134 million contract. The 49ers can write that up however they want to do it.
His cap number will actually probably go down this year and next.
I think it’s a perfectly fair contract for him.
I dunno. Maybe they did. But some of the reporting has suggested that the Niners met his demands a couple times, but Aiyuk kept moving the goalposts a couple times after they did so. I can imagine that would have been aggravating for the team if so.
Don’t you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
So injured week 1 or week 2? Just a dumb from an otherwise intelligent GM, especially with Deebo, Kittle, CMC and Pearsall to pick up the slack. If I couldn't have gotten a high pick for him I'd have told him to get on the field or kick rocks. Whatever, I actually like Purdy and the 49ers are my wife's favorite team, so I hope they get it done this season and no one will be talking about how crappy this contract was in years 2,3 and 4.
massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Grid71
Footballguy
Apparently SF agrees he is elite. Glad he got his bag. I do think Aiyuk is the best WR in the league for real football.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IIRC he said he “would delete my account if he’s not a Steeler”.
Guess he’s a man of his word. H/T for keeping it I suppose.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Personally I think it’s a little bit of an overpay. I’d have given him 90% of ARSB. That’s where I think his ability sits on the “Aiyuk ~> JJ” scale.
Chaka
Footballguy
Florio reporting they could have gotten Aiyuk in July for $27 mil/year, before ARSB got his extension.
The overall point being, if you know you're going to resign the guy eventually, then do it immediately. The longer you wait, the more expensive it gets.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You are entirely, utterly misinterpreting my stance here.
I am in no way, shape, nor form “outraged” by this.
I did not say, nor did I imply any semblance of “outrage”. You didn’t quote anything saying “outraged”, so clearly you are misinterpreting it. Deliberately so, it seems, since you framed it like that, knowing I never said I was “outraged”.
if I am anything, I am mildly irritated that he wasted everyone’s valuable time, and missed important weeks of camp that could have better been spend developing with his teammates, especially his young QB.
It was 18 useless days, spent achieving literally nothing. The 49ers advanced a 120/4 contract, more than initially reported, and he still made them spin their wheels with the Steelers, Pats, and Browns, only to sign the offer he had 18 days prior.
As a fan of the team, I’m allowed to be irritated by that. Good for Aiyuk - he got his paper. He’d better go out and prove he was worth it now, because he pissed off a lot of fans with these shenanigans.
So no - I’m actually very happy as a 49er fan that our offense is intact, and will be even happier when Trent gets his ample butt to practice.
“Outrage” never entered the equation. You inferred / assumed that. Appreciate you asking.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is facts. I think we’ve been saying this for a while now.
So if Denver would have surrendered a Sutton for a third to SF then Aiyuk would have been a Steeler and this would have been over weeks ago.
Wild. Over Sutton? Honestly I did not think he was that good, may need to rethink it. And @Stoneworker, you were right to say Sutton was worth a third a few months ago. Still glad my Steelers did not pay it, but guess Denver was not doing it anyway
Wild. Over Sutton? Honestly I did not think he was that good, may need to rethink it. And @Stoneworker, you were right to say Sutton was worth a third a few months ago. Still glad my Steelers did not pay it, but guess Denver was not doing it anyway
Chaka
Footballguy
It cost 12 million more and Aiyuk is unprepared going into the season.
The Niners botched this one. Aiyuk got paid and he got a nice stay-cation.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Soooooo.
In terms of drafting. I’m thinking he’s a late 3 early 4 guy.
Kupp Waddle Aiyuk Metcalf . I’m going to have to decide in my home league.
I think I’m going Waddle then hope Kupp or Aiyuk is there.
In terms of drafting. I’m thinking he’s a late 3 early 4 guy.
Kupp Waddle Aiyuk Metcalf . I’m going to have to decide in my home league.
I think I’m going Waddle then hope Kupp or Aiyuk is there.
massraider
Footballguy
Well hang on here, because one of these reports has to be a lie, right?
28 per year reported initially, and then when he gets 30/year, suddenly the info guys are saying he had this standing offer for weeks. Well, OK, where was THAT report? Where was Shefter and Russini 3 weeks ago saying 4/120??
Maybe the 49ers budged on the guaranteed money. Maybe Aiyuk wanted to surpass ARSB money, and then settled for matching him.
I am not coming at you here, I wouldn't do that. Hope you know that.
I am just really unhappy with the state of our NFL media, and the info guys, pretty clearly to me, are carrying water for whomever is giving them info. I son't trust anything they say about what they knew, or claim they knew, AFTER the fact.
I do think it is possible/reaonable that they did offer to match ARSB, and Aiyuk was hoping to get more, and that initial 28/year was speculation. Mainly because I don't think less than ARSB was realistic, and the 49ers aren't dummies, so I doubt they were trying to come in under ARSB. No reason Aiyuk should accept less than ARSB on an extension. Why, because he has more catches? ARSB isn't the weapon Aiuyk is. He's a compiler.
I hope he comes back. He knows stuff for sure, was hinting at this Aiyuk signing about half an hour before everyone else was reporting it. What he reports is not usually 100% accurate, more like he gives 80-90% of the truth, but I'll take a source that points me in the right direction and let me figure out the rest vs just getting no info.
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Think I’m taking Aiyuk over all of that group. Though, I do think there’s a legit possibility DK has a career year.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Thanks, meno.
IIRC our conversation took place in mid-April before the draft. So I'm wondering if a '24 3rd was offered to DEN back then might the outcome have been different.
At this point the Broncos WR room is set with a large dropoff behind Sutton so not too surprising it was turned down
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I think we can have reasonable debate without coming to blows
Chaka
Footballguy
Just went 3.08 as the 17th WR off the board in #21 - FBG $50 Home League.
After Evans, Olave, Kupp & DK and with DJ Moore, Nico, Waddle, Devonta etc still on the board.
Seems like the right move for everyone. Good to have it settled.
