WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

I've also heard reporting that one of the key issues is over guaranteed money and the fact that guaranteed money needs to be put in escrow at signing.

This isn't correct.

NFL bylaws state a team 'may' be required to place full guarantees in escrow. No one has reported that any teams have actually been required to do so.

I think this is a rule the NFL has to keep teams in check who may be financially in trouble. Far-fetched for the NFL, but looking at other pro leagues, it happens.

We have been told this for years, as a Raiders fan I was told this for at least 15 years, and it's not true.

 

[thecatch]

I've also heard reporting that one of the key issues is over guaranteed money and the fact that guaranteed money needs to be put in escrow at signing.

This isn't correct.

NFL bylaws state a team 'may' be required to place full guarantees in escrow. No one has reported that any teams have actually been required to do so.

I think this is a rule the NFL has to keep teams in check who may be financially in trouble. Far-fetched for the NFL, but looking at other pro leagues, it happens.

We have been told this for years, as a Raiders fan I was told this for at least 15 years, and it's not true.

That rings a bell. Now that you mention it, the reporting might have been referring more specifically to signing bonuses, which SF has used extensively as a way to keep the upfront cap hits on these big contracts relatively low. Whatever it is, it's something Tim Kawakami has talked about extensively.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

 

[massraider]

. Whatever it is, it's something Tim Kawakami has talked about extensively

Yes!! That's the f@#ker that spent a decade saying Raiders had no cash.

Anyway, no worries, everyone still assumes this, and it gets brought up once in a while. Since Raiders moved to Vegas, it's died down.

The state of American sports journalism is the worst its ever been.

 

[thecatch]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

That's where I'd start negotiations too given that that's the price for signing a franchise tagged player.

 

[thecatch]

. Whatever it is, it's something Tim Kawakami has talked about extensively

Yes!! That's the f@#ker that spent a decade saying Raiders had no cash.

Anyway, no worries, everyone still assumes this, and it gets brought up once in a while. Since Raiders moved to Vegas, it's died down.

The state of American sports journalism is the worst its ever been.

I can't stand him on podcasts/Twitter but he's also extremely plugged into the 49ers front office so he's generally worth the read.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

That's where I'd start negotiations too given that that's the price for signing a franchise tagged player.

Except no one would pay that for a wr. Lamar Jackson had that price last year and no one even tried to get him.

 

[Terpman22]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

LOL why not 3 1st round picks?

 

[thecatch]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

That's where I'd start negotiations too given that that's the price for signing a franchise tagged player.

Except no one would pay that for a wr. Lamar Jackson had that price last year and no one even tried to get him.

I suspect that's not SF's best and final offer. Like I said, that's where I'd start the negotiations.

 

[Gally]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

 

[crushedspirit]

SF has the leverage on whether they choose to trade him or not, and on what compensation they want in return for him. Setting any price is well within their rights.

Aiyuk's only leverage is veto power on any agreed upon trade. He might be down to only 1 or 2 teams now, so good luck.

The way I see it SF is playing things correctly and should not accept any fleecing just because this WR is looking for a couple of million more. They can be patient and firm as long as they want. That might seem cold to some, but they have a business to run and are well within their rights to run it as they see fit. Knowing how the Steelers tend to negotiate, the offer for BA is probably far from what SF envisions as proper compensation. I wouldn't be surprised if BA stays in SF after all is said and done.

 

[massraider]

Some guy from a blog knows the ask by San Fran?

Why would we believe that

 

[Terpman22]

SF has the leverage on whether they choose to trade him or not, and on what compensation they want in return for him. Setting any price is well within their rights.

Aiyuk's only leverage is veto power on any agreed upon trade. He might be down to only 1 or 2 teams now, so good luck.

The way I see it SF is playing things correctly and should not accept any fleecing just because this WR is looking for a couple of million more. They can be patient and firm as long as they want. That might seem cold to some, but they have a business to run and are well within their rights to run it as they see fit. Knowing how the Steelers tend to negotiate, the offer for BA is probably far from what SF envisions as proper compensation. I wouldn't be surprised if BA stays in SF after all is said and done.

I'm gonna say Aiyuk's leverage is turning this into a circus, having every media member asking at every presser after practice "What's the deal with Brandon Aiyuk getting traded?" and him slowly turning into a malcontent/cancer to the team and locker room. The signs are there for it to go down this path. I truly don't think the Niners can go back to him "See we tried, didn't work" when you have gone this far already. I guess we will see, but the illusion of him having little/no leverage, in my opinion, has evaporated, considering how far he has taken this.

 

[Gally]

I don't like this off season. My two key receivers are Aiyuk and Lamb. I am sitting on pins and needles and it could really derail my attempt at defending my title from last year. Ugh.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

You are telling Aiyuk to negotiate a contract when you have no intention on trading him.

 

[Gally]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

You are telling Aiyuk to negotiate a contract when you have no intention on trading him.

How do you say they have no intention of trading him? Because they are starting at a high asking price? Seems like that is a common approach in starting trade negotiations.

 

[thecatch]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

You are telling Aiyuk to negotiate a contract when you have no intention on trading him.

they agreed on deals with two other teams

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bold prediction: there will be no Aiyuk trade today. Also, this topic will grow by three pages.

 

[TheWinz]

For those that haven't been following too closely, can someone quickly give the short version? Something like:
- SF offered $XXM per year
- Aiyuk countered with $XXM per year
- PIT is currently offering $XX per year
- SF also wants X draft picks or player X

 

[Terpman22]

For those that haven't been following too closely, can someone quickly give the short version? Something like:
- SF offered $XXM per year
- Aiyuk countered with $XXM per year
- PIT is currently offering $XX per year
- SF also wants X draft picks or player X

The Niners are trying to be cute and cheap.
Aiyuk sees the WR market and is saying "Me Now"
They let him talk to teams
They allegedly agreed to terms with at least one team
NE allegedly offered him a $32M annual salary
He doesn't like NE
SF is also trying to get a WR + as much draft capital back as possible
That last thing seems to be holding up the deal

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For those that haven't been following too closely, can someone quickly give the short version? Something like:
- SF offered $XXM per year

$26M is the number that has been reported. I believe it was four years. We do not know the guaranteed money.

- Aiyuk countered with $XXM per year

No details of emerged with the exact demand. The word is there hasn’t actually been a number specified. Reportedly this has been a cause of frustration to San Francisco.

- PIT is currently offering $XX per year

Nothing specific has been reported

- SF also wants X draft picks or player X

All that has been reported so far is that San Francisco requires a wide receiver back and wants fair compensation for Brandon Ayuk.

 

[packdog]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

 

[Terpman22]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

I feel ya. I guess coming from my perspective and the way teams "should" operate - if you want a guy, you get a deal done asap. If you drag your feet, you end up just paying more money down the line. There is a long list of teams/players examples of a team trying to play hardball/make-the-player-prove-it sort of scenario that seems to almost always backfire on a team with zero upside.

You wait, and he actually is great? You pay more than you originally could have had him for.

You wait, and he stinks? Well, then you now have no trade value and are hoping for a 3rd round comp pick at best when he leaves via free agency.

Similar, but sort of nuclear version of this is what Dallas and Jerry & Sons are doing right now with the Cowboys.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

 

[nittanylion]

9'ers have plenty of leverage. As the best Team in the NFL, with or without Aiyuk (IMHO, of course), the San Francisco 49'ers football team is going to be playing football, and at a very high level, come September 9th, 2024.

Brandon Aiyuk, whether it be for the 49'ers or elsewhere, may or may not be.

At that level of wealth, a few million doesn't make enough of a difference not to play. Quit behaving like a petulant child. Get your butt into somebody's training camp, and start preparing for the upcoming season.

Cry me a river, Brandon Aiyuk.

 

[packdog]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

 

[TheWinz]

$26,000,000.00 divided by 75 catches equals $346.666.67 per catch.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

$26,000,000.00 divided by 75 catches equals $346.666.67 per catch.

Good work if you can get it

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Breaking news: despite “pretty Ricky“ getting over 7000 retweets, somehow Brandon Aiyuk is still not a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Cap tip to 95.7 the game. Gold.

 

[packdog]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

the leverage you think SF has though is only based on the least desirable outcome, for both parties. if they hold firm and aiyuk holds out it helps no one. with the market exploding SF knows they can't have aiyuk playing on the cheap. they just want to maximize compensation at this point. they tried at the draft, drafted with a trade in mind, and our now in the final process of finally moving for the best compensation they get. it's better for SF to move on now and that's how aiyuk can press them

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

Wanting 2 first round picks for Brandon Ayuk is bad faith?

I’m confused by that. Can you explain?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

the leverage you think SF has though is only based on the least desirable outcome, for both parties. if they hold firm and aiyuk holds out it helps no one. with the market exploding SF knows they can't have aiyuk playing on the cheap. they just want to maximize compensation at this point. they tried at the draft, drafted with a trade in mind, and our now in the final process of finally moving for the best compensation they get. it's better for SF to move on now and that's how aiyuk can press them

What I understood from the draft, they took Pearsall because they wanted a second polished route runner so that Shanahan‘s misdirection worked even better and made both CMC and Debo Samuel more effective.

As for the leverage, you are partially correct. It is the worst case scenario if Brandon sits out and the 49ers get no compensation. That doesn’t help anyone. That said, it hurts Brandon Ayuk more than it hurts the 49ers. And it still doesn’t actually give Brandon Ayuk any leverage.

 

[pinkstapler]

If the Steelers start out 5-2 and lose Pickens to a season ending injury week 8, I feel like they may be inclined to offer more than they are right now. That doesn't feel like a wild take to me.

Aiyuk is free to sit out, but agree with those who say the 49ers have 0 reason to rush to anything right now too. Aiyuk just needs to decide if the money he'll lose now by sitting out is worth getting rid of any risk of injury to help insure getting his bag later. I don't really blame either side for the current stances they've taken. And anyone bashing Aiyuk for the way he's handled it I think is just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap. I think they are both easy targets ripe for weak criticisms that will mostly be based on an individual's own biases more so than the actual situation and it's circumstances.

 

[menobrown]

Breaking news: despite “pretty Ricky“ getting over 7000 retweets, somehow Brandon Aiyuk is still not a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Cap tip to 95.7 the game. Gold.

And even if he becomes a Steeler I'm still going to say he was wrong because he's not been saying it's close, he's been crowing that it's done for days. If he becomes a Steeler he'll start a barrage of tweeting about how right he was but I won't see it that way.

*fwiw I don't think he's what I'd term a rando. I think he actually has connections but here is a good example of how a trained reporter conducts himself vs someone like him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If the Steelers start out 5-2 and lose Pickens to a season ending injury week 8, I feel like they may be inclined to offer more than they are right now. That doesn't feel like a wild take to me.

Aiyuk is free to sit out, but agree with those who say the 49ers have 0 reason to rush to anything right now too. Aiyuk just needs to decide if the money he'll lose now by sitting out is worth getting rid of any risk of injury to help insure getting his bag later. I don't really blame either side for the current stances they've taken. And anyone bashing Aiyuk for the way he's handled it I think is just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap. I think they are both easy targets ripe for weak criticisms that will mostly be based on an individual's own biases more so than the actual situation and it's circumstances.

I still have a weird weird level of optimism that they end up working out an extension.

It certainly seems like the best outcome for both sides. And also the most realistic to get done. Because I don’t see Pittsburgh giving up two of their first round picks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

*fwiw I don't think he's what I'd term a rando. I think he actually has connections but here is a good example of how a trained reporter conducts himself vs someone like him.

Is the epitome of a Twitter era “Reporter”.

In the past, journalist had standards and integrity to the point that they wouldn’t report on something until it was verified.

People like “pretty Ricky” have no such standards these days.

I completely agree with you. Even if the Steelers do end up trading for him, I give zero credit to pretty Ricky since the Steelers were one of a few teams people expected to be in the mix. He was essentially saying it was a done deal.

 

[menobrown]

just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap

I just want to point out to people who do want to bash the 49'ers for being cheap that they are 4th in the league in actual cash spending on players. $21M behind the leader(Eagles) and a whopping $100M over the team in last, which is not a team people associate with cheap-at least not until this off-season.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I'm having a hard time squaring "two firsts" in the context of previously "loosely reported" parameters that SF agreed to with NE. Which was like 2025 2nd, Bourne (coming off an ACL) and Judon-- or something to that effect. It wasn't explicitly stated (yet) that that's what the deal was but that's what it seemed like. But BA rejected 30 mil/ 4 years because - New England isn't where he wants to play. Maybe SF knew BA would never agree to the trade so it was gamesmanship?

Why would the price for the Steelers be two firsts? There's no way Wolf was parting with two firsts.. Everybody and their brother knows they need 2025 1.01 for a left tackle. Maybe the idea that the Steelers first would be in the 20s and the Pats 2nd would be roughly pick 33.

And for the SF fans, this must be rough. Aiyuk just blossomed in front of your eyes and now has one foot out the door. It's not exactly Brady leaving NE but it's the same feeling and it stinks. I hate losing my guys. Glad we never had to see Edelman or Bruschi play for another team. Hope for your sake they work it out.

 

[thecatch]

just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap

I just want to point out to people who do want to bash the 49'ers for being cheap that they are 4th in the league in actual cash spending on players. $21M behind the leader(Eagles) and a whopping $100M over the team in last, which is not a team people associate with cheap-at least not until this off-season.

Absolutely, but I do think it hurts Jed York’s soul every time he has to cut those checks. He deserves credit for being willing to spend the fistfuls of money the team pulls in while they’ve been a contender, but we also have decades of prior experience with the Yorks to draw on.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

You are telling Aiyuk to negotiate a contract when you have no intention on trading him.

they agreed on deals with two other teams

Then why is this the report now? All this information we are getting second hand has been very different.

Plus we are 3 or 4 weeks from the start of the season. Time to put real offers out there not hey here is my ridiculously high asking price that no one will pay.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm having a hard time squaring "two firsts" in the context of previously "loosely reported" parameters that SF agreed to with NE. Which was like 2025 2nd, Bourne (coming off an ACL) and Judon-- or something to that effect. It wasn't explicitly stated (yet) that that's what the deal was but that's what it seemed like. But BA rejected 30 mil/ 4 years because - New England isn't where he wants to play. Maybe SF knew BA would never agree to the trade so it was gamesmanship?

Why would the price for the Steelers be two firsts? There's no way Wolf was parting with two firsts.. Everybody and their brother knows they need 2025 1.01 for a left tackle. Maybe the idea that the Steelers first would be in the 20s and the Pats 2nd would be roughly pick 33.

And for the SF fans, this must be rough. Aiyuk just blossomed in front of your eyes and now has one foot out the door. It's not exactly Brady leaving NE but it's the same feeling and it stinks. I hate losing my guys. Glad we never had to see Edelman or Bruschi play for another team. Hope for your sake they work it out.

I’m guessing it’s because the Steelers aren’t offering enough in terms of players for the 49ers to see fair compensation.

At least in getting Judon & Bourne they’re getting back useful pieces.

That is purely speculation on my part.

 

[msudaisy26]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

Wanting 2 first round picks for Brandon Ayuk is bad faith?

I’m confused by that. Can you explain?

Let's say that link is true. (I don't know if it is or not) You can't tell your player to go find a team and negotiate a contract if your asking price is so high that no one will make the trade even if he does agree to a deal.

That is why I said IF this story is true then the 49ers are negotiating in bad faith.

 

[packdog]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

How is this negotiating in bad faith? Ask for the moon and settle for something less. What is bad faith about this?

You are telling Aiyuk to negotiate a contract when you have no intention on trading him.

they agreed on deals with two other teams

Then why is this the report now? All this information we are getting second hand has been very different.

SF very much has the intention to trade aiyuk. and they will trade him. but they have to navigate aiyuk's power in the situation. in the end they will get draft pick compensation. not two 1sts. ain't getting pickens either if it's to the steelers, who are the most likely destination. another team like washington could swoop in but in the end where aiyuk goes is up to aiyuk. and sf has to get as much as they can outta that. so it's slow but all in good faith in that they are trying to maximize the return in the face of aiyuk flexing his power. i expect a single 1st and other lower round picks/swaps

 

[apalmer]

If the Steelers start out 5-2 and lose Pickens to a season ending injury week 8, I feel like they may be inclined to offer more than they are right now. That doesn't feel like a wild take to me.

And if the Steelers start out 5-2 and don't lose Pickens to an injury, I feel like they may be inclined to go with what's working and offer less than they are right now. That feels like even less of a wild take to me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report

The Patriots, meanwhile, are no longer pursuing the disgruntled star wideout

www.cbssports.com

If this is true then this is negotiating in bad faith.

Wanting 2 first round picks for Brandon Ayuk is bad faith?

I’m confused by that. Can you explain?

Let's say that link is true. (I don't know if it is or not) You can't tell your player to go find a team and negotiate a contract if your asking price is so high that no one will make the trade even if he does agree to a deal.

That is why I said IF this story is true then the 49ers are negotiating in bad faith.

If you were the 49ers, and the only thing being offered were pics, wouldn’t you ask for two first round picks?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

 

[menobrown]

just as valid as anyone bashing the 49ers org. for being rich yet cheap

I just want to point out to people who do want to bash the 49'ers for being cheap that they are 4th in the league in actual cash spending on players. $21M behind the leader(Eagles) and a whopping $100M over the team in last, which is not a team people associate with cheap-at least not until this off-season.

Absolutely, but I do think it hurts Jed York’s soul every time he has to cut those checks. He deserves credit for being willing to spend the fistfuls of money the team pulls in while they’ve been a contender, but we also have decades of prior experience with the Yorks to draw on.

I don't know about how cheap the York's may or not be but they are spending now, they just got have an extremely talented roster and it's hard to keep everyone happy. Would venture to guess the new stadium has been a help to the cash flow and Candlestick probably kept them near the bottom or NFL revenue per team.

As a side note which means absolutely nothing to anyone but me John York went to my same high school which was the same high school that Jerry Jones kids went to. Just a trip to me that my little Arkansas high school could technically have 2 NFL owners or involved in ownership. Meanwhile I'm sitting on a message board and playing fantasy football, dang gene pool.

 

[menobrown]

I'm having a hard time squaring "two firsts" in the context of previously "loosely reported" parameters that SF agreed to with NE.

Same, especially considering how high NE's first projects.

Also in the context that Tyreek and AJB got deal for what amounted to a pick in the 10-15 type range in trade chart totality and unlike Aiyuk, AJB had one super cheap year left on his deal and IIRC Tyreek had a fairly manageable first year salary.

So for me, I don't buy it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

i wouldn't call it cute and cheap. methodical is a better choice of word. SF doesn't have as much leverage as some people think. they know it and other teams know it. SF has been preparing to trade him for a while. we heard it at the draft and the draft telegraphed them moving on. they have the purdy extension looming and have already paid other guys. aiyuk was left holding an empty bag as a result. the market exploding just takes away any semblance of leverage SF had. sure, they'd love aiyuk to play on the cheap in an attempt to win this year. but that's not gonna happen. and nor should aiyuk be expected to go along with that and risk injury and millions upon millions of dollars. they will trade him. just not quickly. they won't get two 1sts but they'll try to maximize what they can get then move on. i expected one 1st and some lower round swaps

The 49ers have the only leverage in the situation. Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

They do not have to trade him.

The pressure is on Brandon whether he wants to play for $14 million, or for $26 million, or to sit out the season. That’s it. Those are his options.

The 49ers literally have all of the leverage.

contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on the NFL. as a result you get situations like these. if i was aiyuk i'd be prepared to hold out all year. 14m is nothing when 100m or more in guarantees is awaiting you on the next contract. why risk that going away if you take a bad shot to the knee this year trying to help your team win. owners run their teams like a business and players have the right to make what business decisions they can. aiyuk has more leverage than people think. and SF will trade him to get some compensation. it's best for both sides of the business

Sometimes that’s true. In this case, all it means is that the 49ers hold all the leverage.

The idea that contracts are meaningless more applies to ownership than the player

Brandon Ayuk’s only option besides getting paid is to sit out.

The 49ers could still trade him. But they are under no obligation to do so, and clearly in no hurry either.

If Aiyuk can choose to sit out, then by definition he has some leverage. Which means the 49ers don’t “literally have all the leverage.” Do they have most of it? Sure, I guess.

See, I don’t see sitting out as a realistic outcome. Aiyuk stands to lose millions of dollars. That’s not leverage, that’s stupidity.