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WR DeAndre Hopkins, TEN (2 Viewers)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jackson McCurry
@JackMcCurry08
The way Schefter spoke on his podcast regarding DHop, sounds like barring a team out of nowhere…..it’ll be Kansas City or Cleveland landing DeAndre Hopkins
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I know we keep hearing KC, but I'm curious as to how they would fit him under their cap. OTC has them with $650,000 remaining.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They 'can' fit him under the cap.
The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast
@thedawgspodcast
Check our math if we're wrong. But the #Browns currently have $6.7M in cap space. On Thursday, JJ3 and Jadeveon Clowney's numbers fall off, giving the Browns an additional $11.4M. In total, we'll have $18.1M available. All I'm sayin' is the Browns roster is looking pretty solid, so let's go ahead and add DeAndre Hopkins, shall we?
Even though its 'possible' Andrew Berry has to see the cascading effects which 'may' include not having enough to extend Amari Cooper next year amongst other issues that it would cause.
I like this take.
Jack Duffin@JackDuffin
I’m not a fan of this move but explaining the process of dHop A WR will want out due to no targets for them. DPJ most likely as a FA in 24 To balance that move with a cap consequence, Cooper not here for 2024 Personally I keep the current WR room and add DT in FA instead
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Hope it's KC because they need a boost at the position more than Cleveland. E. Moore and Cooper take a hit if he goes to the Browns. I don't see Toney or S. Moore being affected as much, and they may even get a boost with him there.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Agree with this take. Andy Reid has a tendancy and history of DGAF'ing about player character as long as he thingks they can play. If it fails, it fails. Everyone will be just like "The GOAT took a shot and it didn't work, if Mahomes couldn't make it work nobody could"
They can make it work and for them it would be really easy.
They have a few players on their team they could convert salary to bonus to free up cap space. Not sure they can wait on this but if they get Chris Jones extended that would free up cap space.
Hopkins contract could be structured like Odell's with void years and which is why his cap charge is a little under $4M.
Even if his pay comes in north of $15m next season almost every team can make it work if they want to and add him and deal with financial repercussions to the cap hit this year or in later years.
Faust
MVP
DeAndre Hopkins' Instagram post fueling hope he'll join Patriots
Adam Schefter Assesses Patriots’ Chances Of Landing DeAndre Hopkins
Adam Schefter Assesses Patriots’ Chances Of Landing DeAndre Hopkins
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the #Patriots make a run at DeAndre Hopkins. Was told “Don’t rule New England out” from a league source
MAC_32
Footballguy
KC has plenty of flexibility within their 2024 cap to make this work if they want to. I think Nuk's camp is leveraging the Browns to maximize what they can get out of them (or a mystery team).
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I don't doubt they can make it work for 2023, but I'm curious as to how they free up the space. OTC still shows KC with only $652K remaining for their 2023 cap. That's not enough to even give him the veteran minimum, so they'd have to do some maneuvering first.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Rigjt, but look at the next tab over. They have a ton of space in 2024 to move 2023 cap spending towards if they want to.
I answered this a few posts up.
They just have to convert salary to bonus and spread out the cap hit.
Here is a concrete example. Take about $14Million of Joe Thuney's $15m base bay, convert it to a bonus and that would clear out up to $11M in cap space with that simple move.
They have a few others moves they could do, this is just one example of a something available to them to clear cap space.
Its possible they could be leveraging the Browns, but its also a great fit. Honestly, other than KC, its probably the best fit, being that they have a Franchise QB (who already has a rapport with Hopkins) and a path to the #1 WR role (sorry Amari, but they would likely be a 1A/1B) and cap space, especially if Watson is willing to restructure to fit him in.
If Hopkins went to the Browns, I figure they'd probably look to trade Peoples-Jones for whatever and roll with Hopkins/Cooper/Moore/Tillman as the top-4.
Browns make more sense to me than Buffalo does.
nirad3
Footballguy
Yeah they were talking about this on NFL-Radio yesterday. They (and myself too) thought that there'd probably be a good number of teams looking for a WR like DPJ.
Terpman22
Footballguy
So highest bidder it is! Makes sense. Some guys don't care about winning at all, despite how much money they have made. Can't blame em either.
Terpman22
Footballguy
The team that is in a rebuild, cutting all the high salary guys not named Henry? Would be a shocker.
zamboni
Footballguy
They are indeed rebuilding, but still want to win and have virtually no one at WR outside of Burks. A guy like Hopkins would also be good for Levis when he takes over.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I don't disagree with this at all. But from what I have read he "wants to be paid like OBJ" and I just don't see that happening in TN.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point, although he may find that he may not be paid like OBJ by any team. While he certainly should get more than OBJ, he may not have much leverage unless there is some kind of bidding war - no guarantee of that.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Agree, he may have been cut too late and won't find a market that he likes. If it comes to that, he probably will take the best 1-year deal he can do try and reload again next year. Not sure Tennessee is the best place for a guy in this scenario, that will want 120+ targets most likely to achieve his personal goals. Never know though!
The market just isn’t there for contending teams to sign a WR on the wrong side of 30 to a big contract, especially this late into free agency. Or else someone would have done it already. So makes sense it’s moving to other teams now, No one has a bigger need at WR than Tennessee. Titans with one more year of Henry could still make a playoff run if they upgrade WR, provided the offensive line plays better this year. I don’t think the Jags have the division locked down just yet, even if they are close.
They don’t have a ton of cap room left though. They can offer maybe $5 million or so, maybe add some incentives. I’m sure it’s going to be a one year deal wherever he signs. Maybe that’s about the most DHop can really expect at this point. They can go full on rebuild next year when they are going to have a lot more cap space, and they may already have their young QB in place then. So a signing in Tennessee does still make some sense.
They don’t have a ton of cap room left though. They can offer maybe $5 million or so, maybe add some incentives. I’m sure it’s going to be a one year deal wherever he signs. Maybe that’s about the most DHop can really expect at this point. They can go full on rebuild next year when they are going to have a lot more cap space, and they may already have their young QB in place then. So a signing in Tennessee does still make some sense.
It wouldn't be a shocker if he signed there. They have little cap space this year but 97mil next year(BTW same as Arthur did in ATL). His OC is the Titans new OC and along with Vrabel there are a few other former Texans coaches.
He would definitely be the #1 and get a reasonably accurate veteran QB. (Remember he's not looking to play with a rookie QB so..bad news for Levis fans) Tannehill is Tannehill. The guy is what he is. He's not awful or great. We all know his ability.
The Titans former GM would have signed him and pushed the salary off. Their new GM is trying to be more frugal, more responsible, and did not sign anyone expensive. The only big dollar spending was re-signing Big Jeff who is an elite player. Even Tart who was just re-signed only got like 4 mil and some Sundays he's arguably the best NT in the league. There's a different "let's be responsible" tone with this GM Ran Carthon.
I'd predict an incentive laden deal. Not because it's cliche to say but because OBJ got too much and now they have to offer a deal in that ballpark.
The Titans history of signing WRs late in their career is awful- Yancey, Moulds, Moss, Andre, and Julio.
Besides that he'd walk on as the #1, one thing in their favor possibly maybe could be that Julio and Andre were treated well. No one from the team bashed their injuries w age or anything. Vrabel was professional w Julio and...idk maybe this matters to Nuk
Semantics to say they're not in rebuild as a reply but that IS what they've said repeatedly this off-season.
They seem pretty regular except at WR.
Few older guys, lots of young, lots of 3-5 year guys.
The problem is a predictable end of success at many positions.
Henry could run for 1500 again but what if he hits the wall?
What if Byard does?
The young CBs could reach their draft potential. The young linemen could pan out.
Tannehill might be done after this year but there probably isn't a team that appreciates him as much so he probably re-signs cheaper and is replaced by Levis.
I can go on and on, they need a lot of luck to stay as a .500 to 10 win team and not collapse.
Nuk would probably ensure they can stay there. Burks, Phillips, and Chig would then be a fine supporting cast and things fall into place well.
They were a horrible call away from winning the division with the worst OL I've seen in years last year. Four games against rookie QBs. Possible to split with Lawrence til he improves towards his vast potential. Absolutely zero hope of winning a playoff game unless Henry gets 200 yards but, still a sliver of hope they could win the division
Terpman22
Footballguy
I hear ya there, but even when AJB was the #1 WR , in his 3 seasons with the team his career high in targets was 106. I just can't see this as a situation, even if he IS the #1 WR, where he would sign a 1 year deal b/c the odds are he ain't gonna want to go into age 31 season with 70/900/7 type of season. My guess is its either "highest bidder" or the team that can offer him a ton of targets. I feel Tennessee is out for both of these scenarios.
I thought so too but he's curiously had no visits til now. It wasn't the expected rush to bring in the famous WR so...not sure how we interpret that. Were there phone conversations? I learned a few times that it almost never is "your previous work is enough" and been wrong so... I wonder what the deal is.
Breer's article had me wondering too
The Frankman
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
FWIW, lots of talk here in NE that the Pats might be considered the favorite to sign him these days, as Hopkins could step in as the lead WR, they have the cap space to pay him what he wants, BB has gushed over him in the past, and it's been reported that Bill O'Brien would be happy to have him back.
Nailed it!
Jayded
Footballguy
I have a hard time believing he'll go to the Patriots because of BOB. As a Texans fan, their personal relationship led to him being shipped to Arizona for peanuts. Feels like it'd have to be a lot of financial offset for all of the rumored bad blood from that bitter divorce to just be forgotten. If the Titans' offer is within striking distance of the Pats', I think he goes there because of O'Brien.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This is a popular view...and it may be right...but seems odd that he would waste a visit unless the soul purpose is to get a big offer.
Does it mean the Titans could then trade cheaply for him?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Not for Henry!Does it mean the Titans could then trade cheaply for him?
Major
Footballguy
There may have been a little of that but BOB was the coach and GM at the time so I'm pretty sure he was the main culprit. The two clearly did not like each other. Would be an interesting move if it happens
As Major just pointed out the only real top brass other with any clout was the owner.
Contract was an issue. McNair later said that Hopkins wanted a new deal and that was an issue due to cap space
Hopkins is notorious for not practicing, which carried over to Arizona. I had heard this was the part that got BOB riled up. Hopkins was basically aloof, not into practice, would show up and play well on Sunday but for the money he wanted I think the team wanted more commitment to the team. Just what I've pieced together over the years.
All in all I don't think the Hopkins/BOB relationship was overly good but probably not that terrible either.
I still struggle with seeing him in NE but I'd find it interesting because it would be a culture shock to someone known for not being big on practice. I'm sure they'll discuss all of this on his visit.
As this relates to Hopkins he's just trying to secure a good contract. If the money is close other stuff likely will matter but otherwise I'm sure he's willing to do deal with and paly with whoever if the money is right.
