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WR DK Metcalf, PIT (2 Viewers)

Slapdash said:
Neither was super productive in that role, but they also didn't have DK's size.  A lot of upside to grow into IMO.
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True but David Moore had a nice rookie year and actually was a really impressive prospect coming into the league. DK is going to have to work his tail off to usurp him. I’m not sold it happens.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Do you think Pete Carroll and their GM will  be around for a few years? If so, then it’s very likely Seattle is a team that plays slow and focuses on the run because that’s how they have done it every season. 

I don’t think it matters much becaus DK is nevr likely to be a 130 target WR. He’s more big play/TD dependent and this is a good spot for that.
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He brought up SEA off coordinator and that's what I responded too. Give me talent over situation in dynasty all day. If the talent is close then you can lean towards situation. 

I agree. He is more of a 60/1000/10 guy than 90/1200/6 type. 

 
From what I can tell, the guy is already one of Pete Carroll's favorites. I'm sure you've all seen the news article where DK met Pete for the first time and they were both shirtless. From that imagery alone, hard to see Pete not finding playing time for one of his boys.

I can also see him getting favoritism for being a 2nd generational player. The league loves guys like that. I just hope the guy isn't on any type of PED. He looks like a professional wrestler and, well. You know.

 
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Raptors409 said:
From what I can tell, the guy is already one of Pete Carroll's favorites. I'm sure you've all seen the news article where DK met Pete for the first time and they were both shirtless. From that imagery alone, hard to see Pete not finding playing time for one of his boys.
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They spent a first round pick on a RB last year only to play him behind 4th and 7th round RBs. I think Seattle has always been very clear that they don’t care where a guy is drafted or how much he’s making, the best players will be on the field. 

 
Raptors409 said:
From what I can tell, the guy is already one of Pete Carroll's favorites. I'm sure you've all seen the news article where DK met Pete for the first time and they were both shirtless. From that imagery alone, hard to see Pete not finding playing time for one of his boys.

I can also see him getting favoritism for being a 2nd generational player. The league loves guys like that. I just hope the guy isn't on any type of PED. He looks like a professional wrestler and, well. You know.
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I watched the video of the event...it was sort of weird. Anyway, in the post draft presser Carroll mentioned his limited Route tree and that the Ole Miss offense wasn't designed to utilize him in that roll. He was a deep ball specialist. Carroll says that he will have to develop route tree and he is working hard to do just that. Has A LOT of potential. Carroll says they will be "going to his strengths" initially and maximize those first then grow from there. Plenty of positive takeaways from the post draft presser, IMO. GM also likes him. They also mentioned Baldwin here so there is a need for him. Talent + situation = ........your guess is as good as mine. BTW, they also joked that his dad was a former o-lineman and might have taught him routes....lol.

 
He could leap Lockett by my guess is Lockett moves into Baldwin’s targets and role and D.K. builds up slowly as Lockett did before him. 

 
Rookie_Whisperer said:
I watched the video of the event...it was sort of weird. Anyway, in the post draft presser Carroll mentioned his limited Route tree and that the Ole Miss offense wasn't designed to utilize him in that roll. He was a deep ball specialist. Carroll says that he will have to develop route tree and he is working hard to do just that. Has A LOT of potential. Carroll says they will be "going to his strengths" initially and maximize those first then grow from there. Plenty of positive takeaways from the post draft presser, IMO. GM also likes him. They also mentioned Baldwin here so there is a need for him. Talent + situation = ........your guess is as good as mine. BTW, they also joked that his dad was a former o-lineman and might have taught him routes....lol.
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Pete Carroll is probably the most overly optimistic coach in the league so I don’t usually pay attention to what he says.

 
Yeah so he will be more or less creating his own role. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to say he will take Baldwin's role or that he fits better here or there. He is going to be the outside X receiver, for F sake, and no he won't be running a ton of different routes. What he will be doing is run blocking like crazy, and likely playing every single snap, health permitting. He should make the offense better all around, and play action could be more effective than it ever has under Wilson.

But yes the run first nature of this offense is a major drawback. Wilson had been on an increasing passes per year trend until Schottenheimer came in. 

 
kittenmittens said:
Yep.  Just went 2.03. 
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Wow. I mean a big part of my evaluation process of course is not just my own rankings but trying to get a sense of ADP and see how far a guy I might really like will fall. I mean if I can get him towards the end of the 1st then obviously I'm not taking him at 1.02. But I am surprised to hear that. 

ETA - I hold 1.01 in one league and will take Jacobs but in a couple other I have picks ranging between 1.04 and 1.10. If he is there I'd have a hard time not taking him.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Pete Carroll is probably the most overly optimistic coach in the league so I don’t usually pay attention to what he says.
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Not going to disagree but it's generally useful to pay attention to post draft pressers. At least this gives you a sense if this was a "hold your nose and pick" kind of a guy, roster filler, or someone they genuinely have plans for. The GM has plans for DK. Period. 

 
Ilov80s said:
They spent a first round pick on a RB last year only to play him behind 4th and 7th round RBs. I think Seattle has always been very clear that they don’t care where a guy is drafted or how much he’s making, the best players will be on the field. 
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To be fair, Penny showed up very overweight, then instantly got hurt and was out for a month. Who knows what happens if that doesn't happen. I feel safe saying he'd have been ahead of Davis, but its possible he'd have beaten out Carson too. 

I'm gonna make a bold call and say Metcalf definitely won't be out of shape.

 
travdogg said:
To be fair, Penny showed up very overweight, then instantly got hurt and was out for a month. Who knows what happens if that doesn't happen. I feel safe saying he'd have been ahead of Davis, but its possible he'd have beaten out Carson too. 

I'm gonna make a bold call and say Metcalf definitely won't be out of shape.
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Good points.

 
I'm also worried about the Seahawks having some issue with his game that holds him back.  We do have more examples of players winning jobs based on merit over draft capital in Seattle.  Merit in the mind of the coaching staff, not necessarily how explosive we notice the player is on the field.

His upside is huge, but I think there is a slight concern that he will have some rookie deficiency that the coaching staff can't live with until it's fixed. 

 
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kittenmittens said:
I'm also worried about the Seahawks having some issue with his game that holds him back.  We do have more examples of players winning jobs based on merit over draft capital in Seattle.  Merit in the mind of the coaching staff, not necessarily how explosive we notice the player is on the field.

His upside is huge, but I think there is a slight concern that he will have some rookie deficiency that the coaching staff can't live with until it's fixed. 
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Where do you put Metcalf in your ranks

 
kittenmittens said:
I'm also worried about the Seahawks having some issue with his game that holds him back.  We do have more examples of players winning jobs based on merit over draft capital in Seattle.  Merit in the mind of the coaching staff, not necessarily how explosive we notice the player is on the field.

His upside is huge, but I think there is a slight concern that he will have some rookie deficiency that the coaching staff can't live with until it's fixed. 
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I think Metcalf will be asked to mostly just run 3 routes. Go, hitch, fade. When a play breaks down, as it so often does in Seattle, Metcalf will take off deep. I think Lockett will slide into Baldwin's role, and Metcalf into a higher volume version of Lockett's. Lockett had an unbelievable passer rating when lined up in the slot on both deep passes and passes under 10 yards.

I'd personally make an argument for Metcalf at 1.1. I think his long term ceiling is top-5 fantasy WR, and his floor is higher than people think. Probably several years of 800-6 if he doesn't develop at all..

 
Can anyone enlighten me as what his injury history is? I see the “injury prone” label thrown at him repeatedly but from what I can find, he broke his foot year one and had a major neck injury last year. I can’t find record of nagging or repeated injuries, just these two that are unpredictable. If there’s concern just because he is coming off a neck injury, I can appreciate that but that doesn’t make him injury prone...

 
gabes1919 said:
Can anyone enlighten me as what his injury history is? I see the “injury prone” label thrown at him repeatedly but from what I can find, he broke his foot year one and had a major neck injury last year. I can’t find record of nagging or repeated injuries, just these two that are unpredictable. If there’s concern just because he is coming off a neck injury, I can appreciate that but that doesn’t make him injury prone...
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Those are the only two injuries that I can find on record.

I can't even find anything dating back to high school for him.

I agree, injury prone seems like a bad label to give him in this case.

 
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Raptors409 said:
From what I can tell, the guy is already one of Pete Carroll's favorites. I'm sure you've all seen the news article where DK met Pete for the first time and they were both shirtless. From that imagery alone, hard to see Pete not finding playing time for one of his boys.
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I like Metcalf a lot but this seems liken an "out there" for a reason why he'll be a success..

 
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barackdhouse said:
Wow. I mean a big part of my evaluation process of course is not just my own rankings but trying to get a sense of ADP and see how far a guy I might really like will fall. I mean if I can get him towards the end of the 1st then obviously I'm not taking him at 1.02. But I am surprised to hear that. 

ETA - I hold 1.01 in one league and will take Jacobs but in a couple other I have picks ranging between 1.04 and 1.10. If he is there I'd have a hard time not taking him.
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I don't think you can take much out of anecdotal draft results - draft orders will be all over the place this year. He went 1.04 and 1.05 in my two drafts so far. The next one who knows?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don't think you can take much out of anecdotal draft results - draft orders will be all over the place this year. He went 1.04 and 1.05 in my two drafts so far. The next one who knows?
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They are definitely all over the place.  Everything after the first 3 picks in 1QB and first 4 picks in 2QB has been pretty wild from what I've seen so far.

I feel my own draft board is still all over the place - I'm talking myself into and out of moving DK up and down a few spots.  I really like him, Deebo, Hollywood, and Campbell and I keep switching them around on my draft board.  Looking at Metcalf and Hollywood higher in .5 point PPR and Deebo and Campbell higher in 1 point PPR formats right now...  

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don't think you can take much out of anecdotal draft results - draft orders will be all over the place this year. He went 1.04 and 1.05 in my two drafts so far. The next one who knows?
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Yeah for sure. That was one of the first instances I had heard of post-draft. I've seen him fall between 1.03 and 2.01 since then. I think I'll just take him when I can where I can. I'm probably taking Montgomery and Sanders first.

 
I ended up with Metcalf at 1.11 in a superflex and was very excited. It's the wild west out there, the way players are falling and being reached for, who knows right now. I think only the top 3 of Jacobs, Harry, and Sanders (top 4 in supeflex with Murray) are locked in to their own tier. Everyone else is dealer's choice

 
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I'll be honest, I've never been a huge fan of Metcalf, but I absolutely love this spot for him. I don't care if this is a 'running' team, he is going to be the WR2. Wilson's deep ball is probably the best in the league, we saw Tyler Lockett kill it on post routes. Metcalf is very good on go routes, post and corner routes, and by all accounts won't have trouble in press. He's going to have some big games and I love him in best ball.

 
efactor said:
Most agree that he is freak and tests well in shorts.  No surprise here.  Plus, when has Pete ever been anything less than a cheerleader in his outlook for the players he drafted?

Not much college production though. Not going to get easier at the next level. 
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Pete's never coached a guy who isnt a future hall of famer

 
Coach Pete Carroll said he doesn't see any problems with D.K. Metcalf's ability to run all routes.

Carroll has been giddy all weekend as he's watched Metcalf at rookie minicamp, noting how big (6'3/228) and fast (4.33 forty) he is. Many have criticized Metcalf's agility and ability to get in and out of his routes, but Carroll said he's made improvements leading into the draft and didn't notice any issues while making cuts at camp. At Ole Miss, Metcalf missed time with a few injuries, but he averaged 18.3 yards per reception as a strong deep threat.

SOURCE: Seahawks on Periscope

May 5, 2019, 3:38 PM ET
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Walter Jones

@BigWalt71

I will say this about @dkmetcalf14 - I’ve seen talent in my lifetime. If I this kid realizes his potential, he will be the steal of the draft. Mark my words. #GoHawks

4:15 PM - May 5, 2019
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I've got him and Campbell as the top 2. Campbell in a dome with 600+ passes thrown is hard to pass up.

Harry is down the list because of the QB situation long term. It could easily be as bad as Brown in TEN in 2 years. Can't be worse than Brown in BALT though.

 
I feel like the lack of bend and injury stuff is so far outweighed by his new QB, and lack of doug baldwin. They clearly like him, and I assume they took him and his weaknesses with the intention of using him to his strengths

 
Bold prediction that I believe, and am not saying just to have a hot take:

DK Metcalf is the Seahawks #1 WR this season. 

I'm not saying that will make him anything more than a WR3 fantasy wise, but it also might. Really feel like we are going to look back in a few years and say "man the NFL really overthought this one" Metcalf should have been a mid 1st rounder.

 
travdogg said:
Bold prediction that I believe, and am not saying just to have a hot take:

DK Metcalf is the Seahawks #1 WR this season. 

I'm not saying that will make him anything more than a WR3 fantasy wise, but it also might. Really feel like we are going to look back in a few years and say "man the NFL really overthought this one" Metcalf should have been a mid 1st rounder.
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Volume is the problem along with when Wilson runs around in circles. It will be easier for the little guys to get separation running around in circles than it will be for DK. The Colts will throw the ball 100 times more than the Seahawks. Last year they threw it 200 more times than SEA. Factor in the dome games & I'm leaning towards Campbell over DK.

 
A look at Seahawks OTAs: Bobby Wagner coaching, Ziggy Ansah, Chris Carson, others recuperating

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6. DK Metcalf continues to learn the Carroll Way.

The rookie second-round pick Seattle traded up to get last month joined Tyler Lockett and rookie seventh-round choice John Ursua running goal-line routes during position drills, fades, slants and out routes. Wilson made a point to throw to both Lockett and Metcalf each time the receivers’ turns came up.

At 6-4, 229 pounds, Metcalf is going to be bigger than any NFL cornerback who defends him down there, so time spent working on goal-line routes is time well-spent.

During team scrimmaging, Metcalf dropped a pass Lynch put into his stomach on a crossing route about 15 yards down the field. While the other 21 players went to huddle, Metcalf picked up the ball and continued running 40 or so yards to the goal line to finish the play, as Carroll demands of his ball carriers in practice. On his way back to the huddle Metcalf slapped the ball with his free hand in frustration over the drop. When he got back to the rest of his teammates upfield, the horn sounded to change drills and ends of the field. On their way to the next session, Metcalf had Lynch throw him another pass. The rookie caught that one, and looked more satisfied.

Metcalf redeemed himself later in the practice. He ripped a throw from Wilson into the end zone away and off the top of the back of Shaquill Griffin for a touchdown.
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