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WR DK Metcalf, PIT (1 Viewer)
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No idea where those rumors even started. A team half a game out of 1st is gonna trade arguably their best player?Never knew he was available.x.com
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Removed from injury report. Giddy up
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see how the targets and results play out after Seattle realized JSN is a little more versatile than they originally thought.
Honestly I think it opens things up for JSN and Metcalf to both eat a little bit more.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. Metcalf will always be the alpha. Hopefully they did realize JSN is more then a possession receiver. Dudes a legit weapon. The bye coming right after his big game youd think it would stick in meetings. Lockett about to see a target drop. Imo
Biggest winner of them using JSN as more of a downfield threat could be Kenneth Walker. More reason to keep Safeties deep, and if JSN is deeper downfield, some of his checkdowns could become Walker's.
Also possibly big for everyone on Seattle is getting the RT back off IR. Should at least offset Conner Williams retiring.
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
Cover 3!!!! Cover 3!!! Its cover 3 time!!! Get it buddy.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I guess his candy-based diet has finally caught up to him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'll never understand how I'm so good looking, yet the women out there hardly notice.
jm192
Footballguy
Coming into this season I thought he's an under-utilized alpha and it seemed like the plan was to pass more frequently.
Then the O line was bad (though better at pass blocking than run blocking, see below) and DK got dinged up (knee and shoulder)...and Geno Smith didn't play as well...and JSN stepped up.
Turns out SEA passed about the same as the past couple seasons but Geno's 17 passing TD's and 15 interceptions ratio (and TD total) is quite a bit worse than I expected.
DK should rightfully come at a discount next year and still carries the upside but WTH is going on with only 8 RZ targets so far in 2024? ETA -- JSN has 15.
From ESPN
Then the O line was bad (though better at pass blocking than run blocking, see below) and DK got dinged up (knee and shoulder)...and Geno Smith didn't play as well...and JSN stepped up.
Turns out SEA passed about the same as the past couple seasons but Geno's 17 passing TD's and 15 interceptions ratio (and TD total) is quite a bit worse than I expected.
DK should rightfully come at a discount next year and still carries the upside but WTH is going on with only 8 RZ targets so far in 2024? ETA -- JSN has 15.
From ESPN
| SEA 2023 pass blocking win rate 54% (25) run blocking win rate 68% (30) - vs 2024 YTD: PBWR 59% (19) RBWR 69% (28) |
Im a huge Hawks and DK fan but both underwhelmed this year.
Geno's performance is partly to blame. 17 TD 15 INT is not acceptable. Whilst he will point to the very poor line, they didn't make some of the decisions that he did.
JSN was much improved so something was working. Lockett aged fast and is likely gone this off season.
Some chatter that they might trade DK but I doubt they would get the value to make it worthwhile.
I think DK value next season depends on fixing the line and getting a new QB. If Geno comes back I will probably be avoiding increasing my exposure to DK.
Geno's performance is partly to blame. 17 TD 15 INT is not acceptable. Whilst he will point to the very poor line, they didn't make some of the decisions that he did.
JSN was much improved so something was working. Lockett aged fast and is likely gone this off season.
Some chatter that they might trade DK but I doubt they would get the value to make it worthwhile.
I think DK value next season depends on fixing the line and getting a new QB. If Geno comes back I will probably be avoiding increasing my exposure to DK.
zamboni
Footballguy
Unfortunately DK has never been a huge target earner (career high of 90 receptions two years ago). Lockett and now JSN have typically garnered as many - if not more - targets than DK has, as the other guys run more short and underneath stuff.
DK has historically benefiting from big plays/TDs and those have been fewer and farther in between this year.
DK has historically benefiting from big plays/TDs and those have been fewer and farther in between this year.
Boston
Footballguy
The odd part of DKM is he just turned 27 (he feels older to me for some reason) and should be in his prime right now...with only 1 year left on his deal (although not sure the hit Seattle would have to take dealing him) I could definitely see him being a trade candidate this offseason...there are plenty of teams in need of a WR upgrade and maybe he needs a change of scenery...as a Pats fan adding him and someone like Hunter or McMillan would be a huge addition for Maye or would allow the Pats to use their #1 on O-line.
First few games DK was usually the first read, and got peppered with targets. I recall him having some bad drops (along with some great catches). His route running also seems lazy or, at least, not on the same page as Geno.
A number of interceptions appeared a result of DK going above his defender while Geno expected to him to fight underneath (the game ending INT two games ago, but I also recall at least one during that SF game earlier in the year).
When he got hurt, JSN assumed the first read role and had excelled with it. He's not the physical monster that DK is, but he seems the better football player (eg better route running, awareness). I don't think it's in the Seahawks best interest to return DK to the early season role at JSN's expense.
That said, the offense needs to figure out how to better utilize both WRs. However, as others have said, it seems questionable whether Geno is the QB to level up the offense. And, until the offensive line is addressed, I think the answer is no.
A number of interceptions appeared a result of DK going above his defender while Geno expected to him to fight underneath (the game ending INT two games ago, but I also recall at least one during that SF game earlier in the year).
When he got hurt, JSN assumed the first read role and had excelled with it. He's not the physical monster that DK is, but he seems the better football player (eg better route running, awareness). I don't think it's in the Seahawks best interest to return DK to the early season role at JSN's expense.
That said, the offense needs to figure out how to better utilize both WRs. However, as others have said, it seems questionable whether Geno is the QB to level up the offense. And, until the offensive line is addressed, I think the answer is no.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not to mention what is dancing around between his ears.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
According to Mike Vorel of the Seattle Times, the Seattle Seahawks may entertain trade offers for wide receiver DK Metcalf during the offseason. Vorel noted that even though Metcalf is still under contract, he suggests the team may look to move his contract to open cap space to improve their offensive line, which allowed the third-most sacks this season. In addition, Vorel noted that ESPN insider Jeremy Fowler believes the Los Angeles Chargers could be a potential destination for Metcalf. Metcalf struggled to find consistency throughout the 2024 season. Metcalf averaged 81.1 yards per game during the first seven games with three scores. However, Metcalf averaged just 53.0 yards per game over the final eight games. With the emergence of young wideout Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Metcalf will likely draw significant interest on the trade market during the offseason.--Andy Smith - RotoBaller
I don't think I'd give that up if I were Green Bay. Despite his physical attributes, DK hasn't really shown that he is a true #1. He's obviously better than what they have, but so are a lot of guys who wouldn't cost a 1st round pick plus.
I agree with - a lot of hype around Metcalf but as a dynasty owner I've always been kind of meh. He feels like a wr2
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Feels like he's been around forever, but he just turned 27.
He always seems banged up the last couple of years and I think that makes him feel older than he is
rockaction
Footballguy
He's played 16-17 and 15-17 games the past two years. He's tough. He's just not a fantasy WR1, even though halfway through last year he was like third in yards or some stat like that. He jumped out quickly, but faded.
DK has some faults as a receiver. I don't think he's got a great contested catch rate and his intermediate routes need work. But I'm not sure he's not equivalent to a first-round pick. Think about some of the first-round busts we've seen. I think DK is slightly (slightly) underrated by the fantasy community because he's been a WR2 at best these past three years. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but get him to put some work into technique and separation, and you've got a diamond in the rough, as it were.
(Even though he already gets paid like he was a diamond in the diamond.)
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
How about Wicks?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I personally think JSN benefits from having DK on the outside.
Agreed. Very possible a DK trade would be bad news for JSN, and the entire passing game, other than maybe more dump offs to Walker.
I think Walker might be on the block as well. For sure its not the right year to sell him, But Charbs looked good and that offense is being rebuilt whilst also requiring any possible extra draft capital.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...they are different type of players, and they would be very thin without him...they would have to bring someone else in that is legit if they moved on from DK...Green Bay has all those young WRs...maybe one of them comes back.
He has played, but if you are an owner or watched,r it seems like every second game is that he underperforms because 'that ankle/hip/shoulder/leg/forearm is bothering him'
Maybe that's just all excuse
kutta
Footballguy
I’m not so sure. JSN had his best game last year in week 9 when DK didn’t play. JSN went nuts that game.
I think he’s going to have a great year no matter what, but becoming the true #1 there would a good thing, IMO.
kutta
Footballguy
I own Wicks too
But I don’t think he’s much of a threat to JSN. He’d be a great 2 or 3, if he can start hanging onto the ball.
Maybe, but I think that had less to do with DK being out, and more to do with the Rams being horrible against slot WRs/TEs, which was an issue they had almost all season. They were the same team that a few weeks earlier gave up 11-175-3 to Jauan Jennings. Khalil Shakir had his best game against the Rams, as did Tucker Kraft, and others. The Rams defense kinda sucked until the last 4 weeks.
I think the biggest thing for JSN (and Seattle's offense in general) is Ryan Grubb being fired. Grubb was an extremely pass happy play caller, especially in the screen game (which inflated Geno Smith to 70% completions, and JSN to 100 catches) Geno Smith was 4th in the NFL in pass attempts, and I very much doubt that repeats, and was likely a big reason why Grubb was dumped.
If DK stays in Seattle, I'm expecting a 1A/1B, same as it ever was. If DK leaves, I'm expecting this to become a VERY run 1st team, or a threat to take a WR in round 1, as I would think Lockett is gone regardless.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Oooh. Imagine Josh Allen throwing to him.
What is Metcalf’s contract like?
What is Metcalf’s contract like?
Contract is probably irrelevant. He's in the last year, and wants out because he wants a new deal. Likely in the 30 million range.
ETA: Personally, I think DK is another in a line of guys (like Higgins, Amari, young Cooks) who I think are talented players, but just aren't true #1s.
