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WR DK Metcalf, PIT (1 Viewer)

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Why is oakland bad? I mean baltimore is bad....i dont think oakland is some death blow
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I think Derek Carr is awful and can’t throw downfield. I don’t know why most defend him. He’s become what his brother was all those years ago. Also Gruden tried to run an offense from two decades ago. I suppose that could change but Carr certainly won’t.

 
Posted this in another thread just now, should have posted it here instead and I'll add Julio and the cautionary tale.

Calvin, Metcalf, Julio

Calvin: 6'5"/239, 33 3/8th" arms, 9 1/4" hand, 42.5 vertical, 4.35 40.

Metcalf: 6'3"/228, 34 7/8" arms,  9 7/8" hands, 40.5 vertical, 4.33 40.

Julio: 6'3"/220/ 33 3/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands, 38.5 vertical, 4.39 40.

But why combine is not everything:

Stephen Hill: 6'4"/215, 33 3/8" arms, 9 3/8" hands, 39.5 vertical, 4.36 40.

 
Ole Miss WR D.K. Metcalf ran the 40-yard dash in an unofficial 4.33 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Metcalf (6'3/228) looked like a runaway truck down the track on Saturday as he made good on speculation of a monster run. He has had himself a big, big weekend thus far. Big, big weekend for a big, big dude. Taking part in the bench press on Friday, he put in 27 reps -- tying ASU's N'Keal Harry for most among combine wideouts --while NFL Network's Ian Rapoport passed along earlier in the week that the Ole Miss wideout has just 1.6-percent body fat. Metcalf's medicals are going to play into the final equation when it comes to draft slot, but assuming those check out, he should be considered a probable Day 1 selection. A top-10 pick is not out of the question.

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Mar 2, 2019, 1:15 PM
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I don't like his tape.......he is a freak but I'm steering clear. He just doesn't/hasn't run enough of the route tree for me to really fall in love.

They put his combine numbers up against Julio's and he's a bigger/faster/stronger/more explosive player. That's really impressive. So I can't blame people for liking him. 

 
Milkman said:
I don't like his tape.......he is a freak but I'm steering clear. He just doesn't/hasn't run enough of the route tree for me to really fall in love.

They put his combine numbers up against Julio's and he's a bigger/faster/stronger/more explosive player. That's really impressive. So I can't blame people for liking him. 
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I hear you but man he’s only 21. Why can’t he learn how to run different routes???

 
menobrown said:
Posted this in another thread just now, should have posted it here instead and I'll add Julio and the cautionary tale.

Calvin, Metcalf, Julio

Calvin: 6'5"/239, 33 3/8th" arms, 9 1/4" hand, 42.5 vertical, 4.35 40.

Metcalf: 6'3"/228, 34 7/8" arms,  9 7/8" hands, 40.5 vertical, 4.33 40.

Julio: 6'3"/220/ 33 3/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands, 38.5 vertical, 4.39 40.

But why combine is not everything:

Stephen Hill: 6'4"/215, 33 3/8" arms, 9 3/8" hands, 39.5 vertical, 4.36 40.
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Hill wasnt a top 10 pick.....calvin n julio were....lets see if someone burns a top 10 pick on him

 
He could but when he ran that ridiculous 40 he didn't look very fluid. 

He's going to get drafted very high.....let's see where he lands. 

 
Milkman said:
I don't like his tape.......he is a freak but I'm steering clear. He just doesn't/hasn't run enough of the route tree for me to really fall in love.

They put his combine numbers up against Julio's and he's a bigger/faster/stronger/more explosive player. That's really impressive. So I can't blame people for liking him. 
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We haven’t really seen all he can do. He was asked to run the go route but that doesn’t mean he can’t do other things. I feel like this type of talent could be coached up. Hard to pass on him at 1.01 even with the bust risk

 
Walterfootball has been mocking Metcalf to the Pats at the 32 since the beginning of the year.

Thats not even on the table anymore. 😑

 
Ok.  I was wrong about him.  I never thought he was going to be this athletic after seeing the initial pic of him on Instagram.  

But on my defense, that pic doesn’t look like him and his build now. 

 
Gandalf said:
We haven’t really seen all he can do. He was asked to run the go route but that doesn’t mean he can’t do other things. I feel like this type of talent could be coached up. Hard to pass on him at 1.01 even with the bust risk
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I'm glad I don't have the 1.01 this year. 

 
Agree he's raw in the routes, but such a man among boys.  Will he use his size speed to manhandle defenders like Gordon and Marshall, or play like Kevin White, fragile and cowardly?

 
He was asked to run the vertical route tree. That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Tex

 
Yeah he's such an elite athlete that it's hard to fault people for liking him. He could be just a pure weapon deep that give teams such problems......kind of like Josh Gordon was.....just bigger/faster/stronger/jump higher than anybody down the field. 

I don't hate him like i did Treadwell after the Combine. He has probably solidified his spot at 1.01 in rookie draft but I'd probably trade the pick if I owned it. 

 
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beef said:
Agree he's raw in the routes, but such a man among boys.  Will he use his size speed to manhandle defenders like Gordon and Marshall, or play like Kevin White, fragile and cowardly?
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Kevin White also had injuries derail his career 

 
Milkman said:
I don't like his tape.......he is a freak but I'm steering clear. He just doesn't/hasn't run enough of the route tree for me to really fall in love.

They put his combine numbers up against Julio's and he's a bigger/faster/stronger/more explosive player. That's really impressive. So I can't blame people for liking him. 
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His cone and shuttle times were pretty bad too

 
Football Jones said:
I haven’t checked them out yet. Mercalf’s short area quickness is one of the things I was curious about. 

Anybody know offhand how his 3C & SS times compare to a guy like Julio’s?
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Was wondering the same thing, how does this compare to Julio or Calvin Johnson. Also how well do these drills correlate with alpha WR success? I could see them being more important to smaller slot type WRs.

 
Gandalf said:
Was wondering the same thing, how does this compare to Julio or Calvin Johnson. Also how well do these drills correlate with alpha WR success? I could see them being more important to smaller slot type WRs.
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Nearest I can tell Megatron did not do the SS and 3 cone 

Julio had 6.66 on 3 cone drill

 
I dont know how a guy puts up one of the best combines in history and doesnt go 1.1. 

ETA: he wont last to Baltimore, so that's not going to kill his value. Unfortunately he wont last to Cleveland either. He likely goes 7-9 unless the Jets or Raiders are in love and cant trade down. 

Does DET kill his value? cant see them going for a WR but anything is possible. 

Jacksonville would undoubtedly hurt. 

At this point I am hoping for Buffalo

 
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Just watched Metcalf’s gauntlet. He looked good! Quick and smooth. This guy can ball.

 
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Dr. Dan said:
I dont know how a guy puts up one of the best combines in history and doesnt go 1.1. 

ETA: he wont last to Baltimore, so that's not going to kill his value. Unfortunately he wont last to Cleveland either. He likely goes 7-9 unless the Jets or Raiders are in love and cant trade down. 

Does DET kill his value? cant see them going for a WR but anything is possible. 

Jacksonville would undoubtedly hurt. 

At this point I am hoping for Buffalo
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He did so when other WRs had a great day too and the TEs were equally as impressive. Metcalf injuries is causing me pause. Until he’s proven to be healthy......there are other arguments that can be made.

In my TE Premo League the TEs are making that very argument. I’m of the belief that the cream rises to the top for the elite so I’m not of the group who cares too much about location when it comes to Elite prospects.

Tex

 
Dr. Dan said:
I dont know how a guy puts up one of the best combines in history and doesnt go 1.1. 

ETA: he wont last to Baltimore, so that's not going to kill his value. Unfortunately he wont last to Cleveland either. He likely goes 7-9 unless the Jets or Raiders are in love and cant trade down. 

Does DET kill his value? cant see them going for a WR but anything is possible. 

Jacksonville would undoubtedly hurt. 

At this point I am hoping for Buffalo
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Do not count Detroit out for an offensive player at 8. 

 
I think Harry is still my guy. He’s the best combo of athleticism and production. And maybe he goes to a better team. Just gotta make it past - gulp - Baltimore

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
is that 3cone accurate? WOW for Julio....
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This makes me think that as of now, Metcalf is more vertical threat than complete WR. Maybe this is why he was used the way he was in college? I mean I’m sure it was, playing to his strengths. He did look agile during the gauntlet. Ugh he’s such a hard prospect to figure out!

 
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Deandre Hopkins posted a 4.5 in the shuttle, he turned out OK.   Julio will probably be one of the greatest WRs of all-time when he's done, he's a rare breed.  Metcalf did look good in the gauntlet, I'm taking him at the 1.01, the only thing that might make me reconsider is his landing spot.

 
Kevrunner said:
Deandre Hopkins posted a 4.5 in the shuttle, he turned out OK.   Julio will probably be one of the greatest WRs of all-time when he's done, he's a rare breed.  Metcalf did look good in the gauntlet, I'm taking him at the 1.01, the only thing that might make me reconsider is his landing spot.
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Yes I don't think any 1 drill should be meaningful, all metrics need be used in concert. The worries about Metcalf getting open and running a variety of routes seem valid but also he seems to have a size/speed combo that is very rare and smart coaches should be able to deploy to great success. 

 
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