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WR Emeka Egbuka, TB (1 Viewer)
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steelcityman
Footballguy
There was nothing else TB needed than depth at WR, no DL or OL, no CB? I like Egbuka a lot, might end up taking him even though I have McMillan...one of them will work out.
Godwin is an injury waiting to happen, so they both could be key pieces this year. Who knows.
Not much offense picked tonight. Does Clev take Sanders early in 2nd? Tomorrow will be fun for fantasy drafts coming up.
Godwin is an injury waiting to happen, so they both could be key pieces this year. Who knows.
Not much offense picked tonight. Does Clev take Sanders early in 2nd? Tomorrow will be fun for fantasy drafts coming up.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
crossing my fingers many feel this way... would love to get this kid in the late 1st
Going back and forth, not ideal but not the worst spot, feel like there will be opportunity at some point, yes Evans only has a year or two, but they did just sign Godwin who isn't ancient, and McMillan looked good last year. Sometimes can find good value in picks like that if patient and things break right, but not always
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Agree with the horrid landing spot takes; especially since Egbuka was my WR1 in this class (insert standard Hunter qualifications). But the same time this should mean I can get him in most, if not all, of my rookie drafts and won't have to reach as much for him. I can see myself trading up to get him in a lot of leagues where he's falling.
Of course it was kind of a poor first round for fantasy on the whole. So if round 2 doesn't give us some additional first round targets to get excited for, Egbuka might maintain relative value even with the ugly landing spot. Gotta hope we get 3-4 more RBs to prime spots and some of these tier 2 WRs going as well.
Of course it was kind of a poor first round for fantasy on the whole. So if round 2 doesn't give us some additional first round targets to get excited for, Egbuka might maintain relative value even with the ugly landing spot. Gotta hope we get 3-4 more RBs to prime spots and some of these tier 2 WRs going as well.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
The main reason that the landing spot sucked, IMO, is that Egbuka seems to be one of the more polished prospects. He could have entered the draft last year and started really contributing right away. No reason for a guy like him to have to sit and wait another year for significant opportunities.
But, on the bright side, he goes to a good offense with a QB that should be able to utilize his skillset whenever that opportunity comes. And, like you said, now he only costs a late rd 1 rookie pick instead of a top 6 or 7. If his future is a strong fantasy WR2 as many expect, I'm ok with the tradeoff of patience vs cost.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
pinkstapler
Footballguy
shhh, don't be too positive now.... this is terrible for him and everyone who isn't me should keep moving him down draft boards hahaha
MAC_32
Footballguy
Evans is 32 and a UFA after the season
Godwin is 29 and returning from a serious injury
McMillan is a JAG
Above all else- don't draft for need, needs are for March, draft talent
If he starts slipping to rd 2 of rookie drafts, I'll be pouncing with delayed gratification expectations.
Depends on what happens tonight but think it's definitely likely he slips into the 7-11 range. I liked him a lot but this is going to have to be a pick you have to sit on a few years for a return.
But I also think you'll be able to get him even cheaper a year from now IMO. I see it similar to JSN a few years ago or Odunze last year, crowded room and unlikely to contribute much in year 1 or 2, and most dynasty players have short attention spans. Seems likely he's going to need an Evans injury or Godwin setback to get much chance to be relevant this year.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
This has almost never been the case on any leagues I play in. Unless there's some catastrophic injury or major off the field issues or they get on the field and look like they are completely lost; the top 24 or so rookies never really get sold at a discount after just one year. Not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere, I'm just not lucky enough to ever have seen it transpire anywhere I play. Can't blame them either as it seems like the rational response.
To your example; I'm an Odunze owner and took him last year at 1.04. Forget selling for less, I wouldn't even sell for this years 1.04. Or 1.03 looking at how things are shaking out.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Was just going to say that... yes it does happen in inexperienced leagues but rarely have i seen it in mine. Especially if EE falls to late 1st... highly doubt I will be able to sneak him off a team for less than a 1st next yr
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Agree and disagree
Agree that this is initially not the best landing spot and I expect his '25 numbers to be somewhat pedestrian but will show flashes and have some big games sprinkled in
But here is the good news, as others mentioned the Bucs have a 32 nd 29 yr old WR tandem, Evans is getting old and lot of wear n tear on that body
Godwin has sustained his 2nd major injury and I kind of disagree on them extending him especially going WR in the 1st
But overall the Bucs have a pretty strong OL, good but maybe not great QB and overall their offense is pretty good, has a lot of talent
When Egbuka does start or is called upon, he stands a good chance to succeed.
Godwin needs volume to be productive in PPR leagues, he might be in line for a regress in his numbers and Evans eventually won't reach 1,000 yds by inches
There is a light at the end of the tunnel but in 2025 I see the same ceiling you do
RC94
Footballguy
I highly doubt the owners are going to sell low after drafting him the year before knowing they will have to sit on him for a while.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
100% correct here. If anything they will value him more year 2 when he'd likely to be in line for a bigger role.
Not sure Tyler Boyd in his prime was the endorsement I needed to convince me.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I think it's not a terrible comp/realistic look at him. 80 for 1k and 6TDs puts him pretty much middle or WR2 territory. Unless people play in start 1WR leagues lol, I'd find myself getting a lot of use out of hitting on a WR2 for the next 6-7 years with my first round rookie pick.
Max Power
Footballguy
Evans
Egbuka
Godwin
McMillan
Its tough, I'd put all three of Godwin, Evans and Egbuka in a similar tier. Egbuka is a late first round pick in a 2025 dynasty draft. Evans for a late first is a fair trade depending on if a team wants to contend or rebuild. Godwin might be a hair below, but I like him to rebound and be steady for another 3 years.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I have no interest in McMillan, but the rest depends on the makeup of my roster. If I already have a bunch of youths (in one league I have Ladd-Rice-Pickens-Reek), then give me Evans over Pickens and improve my chances this season. If my lineup is already spoken for (in one league I have Nico-Tee-MHJr-Jamo), I want Egbuka. Not sure where I'd want Godwin- I moved off him in both leagues since his injury in large part because of that.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
If I'm a legit championship contender?
Evans
Egbuka
Godwin
McMillan
Any other situation
Egbuka
McMillan (practically interchangeable with Godwin here IMO, could go either way)
Godwin
Evans
Football Jones
Footballguy
I found the Egbuka pick kinda odd. Are the Bus at a point where they can afford a luxury pick? I get Evans is older, but it surprised me.
If they wanted to go WR, I figured it would be Golden. Egbuka is similar to their other WRs. I figured they would welcome Golden's speed.
Baker has to be happy, though.
If they wanted to go WR, I figured it would be Golden. Egbuka is similar to their other WRs. I figured they would welcome Golden's speed.
Baker has to be happy, though.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Maybe Godwin's recovery is not going as well as they planned. Or they want to bring weapons in or out during games, such as hockey lines. I think they have seen how injuries can tax a team, hurting it at crucial times, and wanted to add depth to a room that has struggled to stay healthy. Sterling Shepard got some decent time last year, no knock on him, but you can see the dilemma with not having enough depth.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, Godwin has had trouble staying healthy, for sure.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
For a stretch last season they had to have Cade Otton, Trey Palmer, and Rakim Jarret as their "go-to" WRs. I think they don't ever want to be in that position again. At this point of their careers, Evans and Godwin are an increased risk to miss time going into every season. And Evans is at the point where every season could be his last. They probably would rather be ahead of the curve replacing him, than be in a position where they NEED to. That's when you make forced draft picks or give up more draft capital than you should for lesser talent.
I've heard a few analysts also talk now about Baker's success. Not taking anything away from him, but unsurprisingly he performs at his best when he has multiple options to look to on the field. It again makes sense to ensure the team is never in a position where their next man up is basically a non-factor and looks lost out there. Could mess up Baker not just for a game or two, but really derail him for a stretch. Confidence is king with QBs, even the best ones.
All that said, from a strictly fantasy perspective.... yeah it stinks haha. I'd imagine (barring injury) it will be at least one year to relevance, likely two. I do think it's still worse for McMillan owners than anything though, especially those who traded for him last season at a higher value than he was originally drafted. This pretty much keeps him locked in as a WR3/4 for the foreseeable future.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I don't see this selection as a luxury pick or insurance for Godwin's injury or Evans' departure. I think they planned all along to add a WR to their room in this draft and Egbuka was their best player available at the spot. I would expect Godwin and Evans will be Bucs as long as they want to be.
This offense runs primarily out of 11 personnel (3 WRs). They want to avoid a similar situation to last year where their depth was severely tested without both players and it clearly hurt the team's ability to win. At one point starting Rahkim Jarrett, Sterling Shepard, and Ryan Miller.
Mike tends to tap out after a big catch or a deep route and Tampa's yards per play also drops drastically when that happens. Especially when Godwin was also out later in the year.
Egbuka is arguably the safest pick in the draft and he's already a "pro" receiver. The Bucs took a position group that was already a strength and turned it into the best WR unit in the league.
This offense runs primarily out of 11 personnel (3 WRs). They want to avoid a similar situation to last year where their depth was severely tested without both players and it clearly hurt the team's ability to win. At one point starting Rahkim Jarrett, Sterling Shepard, and Ryan Miller.
Mike tends to tap out after a big catch or a deep route and Tampa's yards per play also drops drastically when that happens. Especially when Godwin was also out later in the year.
Egbuka is arguably the safest pick in the draft and he's already a "pro" receiver. The Bucs took a position group that was already a strength and turned it into the best WR unit in the league.
Capella
Footballguy
Yup. They very much want a situation where they have Godwin or Egbuka on the field for 100% of the passing downs. They are very similar players and they expect there won’t be any drop off when Godwin needs a break. Potential to be a really awesome offense.
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pinkstapler
Footballguy
These are those "intangibles" which had me moving this guy ahead of most of the other WRs in this class. Sure, I get some physical abilities just can't be taught and give some skill players an immense advantage. But while things like football intelligence and work ethic can be taught/improved, IMO they rarely change much from what they were for players at a college level. My expectations for this season, and maybe even next, are still tempered. But I feel really good about having just about 100% ownership of this guy across my leagues.
Everyone talks about how most players need a chance, an opportunity, in order to hit. Lesser emphasized is how prepared you are to actually succeed when that opportunity eventually comes.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I get it, this will sound hype-ish and is wayyyy too soon to say with any certainty at all; but if Egbuka and McMillan both hit their ceilings, it would be a true embarrassment of riches for TB to go from years of Godwin/Evans dominating that WR group to Egbuka and McMillan especially considering they both comp very well to their predecessors gameplay/role wise. Could potentially not skip a beat.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
McMillan was one of the guys I wanted in last years draft. It didn’t work out but I did get a share as part of a package deal after the draft. I’m still a believer in him and I think Emeka will be a very good pro as well. Their time will come.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That’s a lot of hot garbage players you listed.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Indeed. I don't think Baker gets enough credit for the season he had. Guys say, "well, he had Chris Godwin and Mike Evans." In reality he only had both of those guys together for 6.5 games and he was without both of them for 3.5 games.
WR was a big need even if it didn't look that way on the surface.
