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WR Gabriel Davis, BUF (3 Viewers)

That is the exact argument for tapping the breaks after the 3 TD game.
It was 4 and NO ONE thought that would be the norm - well no one that is rational.
Well that is the poster/posters that need the break check. Maybe these 3 games helped with that.
He had a good game then sprained his ankle.

Players get hurt, and then tend to under-perform. What a revelation. :rolleyes:

What preposterous takes.
Takes?
I said some facts about Corey Davis scoring more points than him up to this point? Is it facts you are confusing with takes?
What a preposterous reply to my facts.
🙈
James Robinson has scored more points than Taylor and CEH and that is a fact. So if I make a statement like he is therefore better than both of those guys I would be stating a fact in your world. People are excited about his prospects but I don't know anyone that has anointed him the next Jerry Rice and I have not heard anyone say they expect him to outperform Diggs.
No one said the next Jerry Rice. No one is the next Jerry Rice.
Hot sauce guy is on record saying he wouldn’t take 3 1sts for Gabriel Davis and later he modified it to two late firsts for Gabriel davis. So that’s what we are working with. You valuing Davis the same?
Also, there are people/a person in this thread that said they wouldn’t be surprised if Davis scores more points than diggs this year.
I said at the time it was hyperbolic.

Maybe take my name out your mouth unless you provide full context.
:rolleyes:
Your posts have been deleted, but since people quote you I was able to copy and paste your exact quote:

Hot Sauce Guy said:
I mean, yes and no. If he becomes a top 5 WR in the NFL, then last night was not his sell high point.

If he becomes a top 5 NFL WR, then I totally bought low. If I was offered 3x 1sts for him (say 2022, 2023. 2024) I'm not sure I'd accept, because his potential is as a top 5 NFL WR.


I don't see anywhere in this post that says you were being hyperbolic. I don't see anything to suggest over the top language at all. If you can't handle people having the receipts perhaps you should be called mild sauce guy.
For one, I didn’t delete any posts.

For another, I said multiple times that it was a thought experiment, and made for interesting discussion.

Maybe stop obsessing over me and this won’t be an issue. It’s obvious you’re only doing this because I called you out for saying something dumb & comparing a hurt player to a healthy player.

Way to be vindictive.

For now I’ll simply set you to ignored user. 👍🏼
Try to focus more on Gabriel Davis and not on me as a poster. I made a comment about Corey Davis scoring more points as well as hoping to see Gabriel Davis healthy to see what he can do. You are focused on calling me obsessive over you and me as a poster. Breathe and relax. You replied to my comments not engaging in dialogue, just calling them terrible takes.
This board is for different opinions so keep it focused on FOOTBALL.
Today would you take 3 random firsts for Davis? 2 1sts? 1 early 1st? 1 2nd?
 
That is the exact argument for tapping the breaks after the 3 TD game.
It was 4 and NO ONE thought that would be the norm - well no one that is rational.
Well that is the poster/posters that need the break check. Maybe these 3 games helped with that.
He had a good game then sprained his ankle.

Players get hurt, and then tend to under-perform. What a revelation. :rolleyes:

What preposterous takes.
Takes?
I said some facts about Corey Davis scoring more points than him up to this point? Is it facts you are confusing with takes?
What a preposterous reply to my facts.
🙈
James Robinson has scored more points than Taylor and CEH and that is a fact. So if I make a statement like he is therefore better than both of those guys I would be stating a fact in your world. People are excited about his prospects but I don't know anyone that has anointed him the next Jerry Rice and I have not heard anyone say they expect him to outperform Diggs.
No one said the next Jerry Rice. No one is the next Jerry Rice.
Hot sauce guy is on record saying he wouldn’t take 3 1sts for Gabriel Davis and later he modified it to two late firsts for Gabriel davis. So that’s what we are working with. You valuing Davis the same?
Also, there are people/a person in this thread that said they wouldn’t be surprised if Davis scores more points than diggs this year.
I said at the time it was hyperbolic.

Maybe take my name out your mouth unless you provide full context.
:rolleyes:
Your posts have been deleted, but since people quote you I was able to copy and paste your exact quote:

Hot Sauce Guy said:
I mean, yes and no. If he becomes a top 5 WR in the NFL, then last night was not his sell high point.

If he becomes a top 5 NFL WR, then I totally bought low. If I was offered 3x 1sts for him (say 2022, 2023. 2024) I'm not sure I'd accept, because his potential is as a top 5 NFL WR.


I don't see anywhere in this post that says you were being hyperbolic. I don't see anything to suggest over the top language at all. If you can't handle people having the receipts perhaps you should be called mild sauce guy.
Can you guys please not quote me in your bicker-fest so I don't get notifications that lead me to read your drivel? TIA.
 
That is the exact argument for tapping the breaks after the 3 TD game.
It was 4 and NO ONE thought that would be the norm - well no one that is rational.
Well that is the poster/posters that need the break check. Maybe these 3 games helped with that.
He had a good game then sprained his ankle.

Players get hurt, and then tend to under-perform. What a revelation. :rolleyes:

What preposterous takes.
Takes?
I said some facts about Corey Davis scoring more points than him up to this point? Is it facts you are confusing with takes?
What a preposterous reply to my facts.
🙈
James Robinson has scored more points than Taylor and CEH and that is a fact. So if I make a statement like he is therefore better than both of those guys I would be stating a fact in your world. People are excited about his prospects but I don't know anyone that has anointed him the next Jerry Rice and I have not heard anyone say they expect him to outperform Diggs.
No one said the next Jerry Rice. No one is the next Jerry Rice.
Hot sauce guy is on record saying he wouldn’t take 3 1sts for Gabriel Davis and later he modified it to two late firsts for Gabriel davis. So that’s what we are working with. You valuing Davis the same?
Also, there are people/a person in this thread that said they wouldn’t be surprised if Davis scores more points than diggs this year.
I said at the time it was hyperbolic.

Maybe take my name out your mouth unless you provide full context.
:rolleyes:
Your posts have been deleted, but since people quote you I was able to copy and paste your exact quote:

Hot Sauce Guy said:
I mean, yes and no. If he becomes a top 5 WR in the NFL, then last night was not his sell high point.

If he becomes a top 5 NFL WR, then I totally bought low. If I was offered 3x 1sts for him (say 2022, 2023. 2024) I'm not sure I'd accept, because his potential is as a top 5 NFL WR.


I don't see anywhere in this post that says you were being hyperbolic. I don't see anything to suggest over the top language at all. If you can't handle people having the receipts perhaps you should be called mild sauce guy.
Can you guys please not quote me in your bicker-fest so I don't get notifications that lead me to read your drivel? TIA.
Sorry - I wasn’t the one vindictively dredging up year old posts.

I’ve put that person on ignore, so this shouldn’t be an issue going forward.
 
@Mild Sauce Guy
I responded with that 7-8 month ago post because you wanted me to include context. I think you are using too big of words that you don't fully understand.

Lets stick to FOOTBALL.
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
 
That is the exact argument for tapping the breaks after the 3 TD game.
It was 4 and NO ONE thought that would be the norm - well no one that is rational.
Well that is the poster/posters that need the break check. Maybe these 3 games helped with that.
He had a good game then sprained his ankle.

Players get hurt, and then tend to under-perform. What a revelation. :rolleyes:

What preposterous takes.
Takes?
I said some facts about Corey Davis scoring more points than him up to this point? Is it facts you are confusing with takes?
What a preposterous reply to my facts.
🙈
James Robinson has scored more points than Taylor and CEH and that is a fact. So if I make a statement like he is therefore better than both of those guys I would be stating a fact in your world. People are excited about his prospects but I don't know anyone that has anointed him the next Jerry Rice and I have not heard anyone say they expect him to outperform Diggs.
No one said the next Jerry Rice. No one is the next Jerry Rice.
Hot sauce guy is on record saying he wouldn’t take 3 1sts for Gabriel Davis and later he modified it to two late firsts for Gabriel davis. So that’s what we are working with. You valuing Davis the same?
Also, there are people/a person in this thread that said they wouldn’t be surprised if Davis scores more points than diggs this year.
I said at the time it was hyperbolic.

Maybe take my name out your mouth unless you provide full context.
:rolleyes:
Your posts have been deleted, but since people quote you I was able to copy and paste your exact quote:

Hot Sauce Guy said:
I mean, yes and no. If he becomes a top 5 WR in the NFL, then last night was not his sell high point.

If he becomes a top 5 NFL WR, then I totally bought low. If I was offered 3x 1sts for him (say 2022, 2023. 2024) I'm not sure I'd accept, because his potential is as a top 5 NFL WR.


I don't see anywhere in this post that says you were being hyperbolic. I don't see anything to suggest over the top language at all. If you can't handle people having the receipts perhaps you should be called mild sauce guy.
For one, I didn’t delete any posts.

For another, I said multiple times that it was a thought experiment, and made for interesting discussion.

Maybe stop obsessing over me and this won’t be an issue. It’s obvious you’re only doing this because I called you out for saying something dumb & comparing a hurt player to a healthy player.

Way to be vindictive.

For now I’ll simply set you to ignored user. 👍🏼
Try to focus more on Gabriel Davis and not on me as a poster. I made a comment about Corey Davis scoring more points as well as hoping to see Gabriel Davis healthy to see what he can do. You are focused on calling me obsessive over you and me as a poster. Breathe and relax. You replied to my comments not engaging in dialogue, just calling them terrible takes.
This board is for different opinions so keep it focused on FOOTBALL.
Today would you take 3 random firsts for Davis? 2 1sts? 1 early 1st? 1 2nd?
Your experience here at FBG will be infinitely more enjoyable if you learn to use the "ignore" feature.
 
Lets stick to FOOTBALL.
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
I would probably put him about WR20 PPR ROS. I am kind of guessing because I am not ranking all the WRs ahead of him but that is about where I would expect him to be. I am a little worried about his lack of targets but I view that mainly as part of him not being healthy. McKenzie could eat into some of his targets but he could also open up the field a little more for him as well.
 
Lets stick to FOOTBALL.
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
I would probably put him about WR20 PPR ROS. I am kind of guessing because I am not ranking all the WRs ahead of him but that is about where I would expect him to be. I am a little worried about his lack of targets but I view that mainly as part of him not being healthy. McKenzie could eat into some of his targets but he could also open up the field a little more for him as well.
Thank you for responding regarding value. I have him near the same, maybe slightly higher.
 
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
Still a lower WR2 for me, but ideally a WR3 for your fantasy team.

Week 1 showed us what may be a "floor" type game. The ankle injury then had him miss a game and struggle in Week 3 a bit (but was still close to grabbing a TD). Until we know the ankle is fine, it's hard to really say.
 
Week 1 showed us what may be a "floor" type game. The ankle injury then had him miss a game and struggle in Week 3 a bit (but was still close to grabbing a TD). Until we know the ankle is fine, it's hard to really say.
This is the correct answer.

Comparing healthy players to hurt players production is preposterous, and remains one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this, or any forum.
 
Until he's healthy, we cannot make definitive conclusions about Davis' value. He's still limited in practices even this week, which tells me this ankle issue was pretty bad from go and/or that he reaggravated it. Either way, the injury is clouding the observable results. Once he's fully healthy and the Bills offense isn't melting down in the Miami sun, then we'll get to see what's what.

My preseason thoughts were low-end WR2 as a floor and low-end WR1 as a ceiling (unless somehow through injury or a dramatic surprise he were to overtake Diggs as Allen's #1 target). This projection still holds for me, but not on a full season level - rather on a week-to-week concept, once he's fully healthy. I play this game with weeks 14-17 primarily in mind (redraft), so his overall value hasn't changed much at all for me.
 
As for Gabriel Davis dynasty value, I've said multiple times that I would not deal him for a 2023 mid-1st. I believe his long-term value is greater than that. Obviously it depends on the quality of the pick, and my team's needs.

If it were 2 late 1sts (the actual context of my statements ~8 months ago) I might still decline, because I don't know that I could replace Davis with those. Again, bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush.

If it's 2 early picks, I'd strongly consider it.

His injury/slow start to 2022 has changed zero in my thought process about Gabe Davis. Overreacting to an injured player seems foolish, but unlike another on here, I won't resort to childish name-calling, or ad hominem attacks questioning if they "understand big words", because all that does is detract from the value of a discussion.
 
Until he's healthy, we cannot make definitive conclusions about Davis' value. He's still limited in practices even this week, which tells me this ankle issue was pretty bad from go and/or that he reaggravated it. Either way, the injury is clouding the observable results. Once he's fully healthy and the Bills offense isn't melting down in the Miami sun, then we'll get to see what's what.

My preseason thoughts were low-end WR2 as a floor and low-end WR1 as a ceiling (unless somehow through injury or a dramatic surprise he were to overtake Diggs as Allen's #1 target). This projection still holds for me, but not on a full season level - rather on a week-to-week concept, once he's fully healthy. I play this game with weeks 14-17 primarily in mind (redraft), so his overall value hasn't changed much at all for me.
Unfortunately he missed practice today, so it looks like another difficult week to navigate for Davis owners.

Fortunately he's my WR4-5 (flex) in the leagues I roster him and I have alternate options at flex. Alas, some may not be as fortunate.
 
Until he's healthy, we cannot make definitive conclusions about Davis' value. He's still limited in practices even this week, which tells me this ankle issue was pretty bad from go and/or that he reaggravated it. Either way, the injury is clouding the observable results. Once he's fully healthy and the Bills offense isn't melting down in the Miami sun, then we'll get to see what's what.

My preseason thoughts were low-end WR2 as a floor and low-end WR1 as a ceiling (unless somehow through injury or a dramatic surprise he were to overtake Diggs as Allen's #1 target). This projection still holds for me, but not on a full season level - rather on a week-to-week concept, once he's fully healthy. I play this game with weeks 14-17 primarily in mind (redraft), so his overall value hasn't changed much at all for me.
Unfortunately he missed practice today, so it looks like another difficult week to navigate for Davis owners.

Fortunately he's my WR4-5 (flex) in the leagues I roster him and I have alternate options at flex. Alas, some may not be as fortunate.
Sucks but WR is one place I can take some hits. Putting in Olave for him and hoping for the best.
 
If Davis can't go or is limited then I'm tempted to roll out McKenzie against this Ravens defense. That pass defense reminds me of the Jets run defense last year
Last time Davis was out, Kumero seemed to be the primary beneficiary. If he’s available he might be worth a pick-up for Davis owners struggling to find a replacement.
Aaaaand my MFL says Kumero is OUT.
 
If Davis can't go or is limited then I'm tempted to roll out McKenzie against this Ravens defense. That pass defense reminds me of the Jets run defense last year
Last time Davis was out, Kumero seemed to be the primary beneficiary. If he’s available he might be worth a pick-up for Davis owners struggling to find a replacement.
Aaaaand my MFL says Kumero is OUT.
You running McKenzie then?
 
Apparently Davis re-aggravated the ankle in practice again, but he's still expected to go on Sunday. The matchup is good and I'd really like to play him over Michael Carter or Josh Palmer at flex.

Seems as though I'll be relying on a couple of you homers to give your assessment on how he looks pregame. Thanks in advance for any opinions watching Davis firsthand...
 
Apparently Davis re-aggravated the ankle in practice again, but he's still expected to go on Sunday. The matchup is good and I'd really like to play him over Michael Carter or Josh Palmer at flex.

Seems as though I'll be relying on a couple of you homers to give your assessment on how he looks pregame. Thanks in advance for any opinions watching Davis firsthand...
Gotta call between him and Olave...so can't wait until game-time warmups. :\
 
@Mild Sauce Guy
I responded with that 7-8 month ago post because you wanted me to include context. I think you are using too big of words that you don't fully understand.

Lets stick to FOOTBALL.
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
The owner in my main dynasty league tried his damndest to capitalize on the preseason hype and get him moved for a 1st, but was unsuccessful. The best offer he received was a 2023 early 2nd and I think he kinda regrets not taking that at this point. People expecting to get multiple 1sts for him seem crazy to me, but hey each league is different.
 
If Davis can't go or is limited then I'm tempted to roll out McKenzie against this Ravens defense. That pass defense reminds me of the Jets run defense last year
Last time Davis was out, Kumero seemed to be the primary beneficiary. If he’s available he might be worth a pick-up for Davis owners struggling to find a replacement.
Aaaaand my MFL says Kumero is OUT.
You running McKenzie then?
In one league, yeah. I have better options in others.
 
@Mild Sauce Guy
I responded with that 7-8 month ago post because you wanted me to include context. I think you are using too big of words that you don't fully understand.

Lets stick to FOOTBALL.
Where do you value Gabriel Davis at today? Where do you value him? No hyperbole or trickier like the last time.
The owner in my main dynasty league tried his damndest to capitalize on the preseason hype and get him moved for a 1st, but was unsuccessful. The best offer he received was a 2023 early 2nd and I think he kinda regrets not taking that at this point. People expecting to get multiple 1sts for him seem crazy to me, but hey each league is different.
My league does lottery for bottom 6 and would not give up 1 of those picks for him (since lottery is decided at a future date I wouldn’t want to give up a potential 1.01) Anything looking at 1.07 and beyond I would give up for Gabriel Davis.
 
People expecting to get multiple 1sts for him seem crazy to me, but hey each league is different.
To be clear, that is a misrepresentation.

No one “expected” to get multiple 1sts for him.

I said I wouldn’t deal him for a mid-to late 1st, and then also said I wouldn’t deal him for 2 late 1sts.

It was an interesting discussion at the time. But I also specifically noted that no one was offering 2 1sts for him either.

Just keeping it real.
 
God knows I don't want to back Hot Sauce's hyperbole on the subject this offseason because I vehemently disagreed, but the wording was, once we got down to it, that he wouldn't give up two back-end firsts in 2022 for Davis. That was his statement in the end. He had said three, but we talked him from the ledge.

Right now, does Davis look like...say...better than Watson and Skyy Moore? Or Pickens or Dotson?

I'm not sure about any of it. Looks like there are some duds and potential studs in there. It's their first year. I'd still take the dart throws, but it's not unreasonable to want the solid number two in the Buffalo passing offense who has been backed by coaches and the GM, both in word and in deed -- especially if one were looking to compete this year.

That's my two cents.

And that's not to reignite the personal debate, but to sort of move to a player evaluation. Davis or Watson and Moore? Davis or Pickens and Dotson?

Interesting case study, this. I know my answer but I've been convinced of it all along. Waiting for Davis to prove me wrong. So far, injury has held him back.
 

What the Experts are Saying

Gabriel Davis’ role in the Bill offense is top-notch. He ran a route on 96% of dropbacks in Week 3 on a bummed ankle, but the targets weren’t there. Just six targets, which ranked fourth on the team. But you should buy the dip. Let DeVonta Smith
‘s high-end route participation in a high-powered offense be a reminder that these types of players don’t stay quiet for very long even if they are coming off a bad game. Nobody would be batting an eye at Big Gabe had he not dropped a touchdown versus the Dolphins. Start him.

-Derek Brown
 
God knows I don't want to back Hot Sauce's hyperbole on the subject this offseason because I vehemently disagreed, but the wording was, once we got down to it, that he wouldn't give up two back-end firsts in 2022 for Davis. That was his statement in the end. He had said three, but we talked him from the ledge.

Right now, does Davis look like...say...better than Watson and Skyy Moore? Or Pickens or Dotson?

I'm not sure about any of it. Looks like there are some duds and potential studs in there. It's their first year. I'd still take the dart throws, but it's not unreasonable to want the solid number two in the Buffalo passing offense who has been backed by coaches and the GM, both in word and in deed -- especially if one were looking to compete this year.

That's my two cents.

And that's not to reignite the personal debate, but to sort of move to a player evaluation. Davis or Watson and Moore? Davis or Pickens and Dotson?

Interesting case study, this. I know my answer but I've been convinced of it all along. Waiting for Davis to prove me wrong. So far, injury has held him back.
Yes indeed. Exactly my point, and I appreciate the accurate summary - a refreshing change.

Unfortunately my “bird in the hand” has a bum ankle - a difficult thing to predict.

If he’d stop aggravating it in practice maybe we’d eventually find out what’s what.
 
Considering the very rainy and sloppy weather forecast throughout the game in Baltimore, Davis' snap counts may be limited. Bum ankles usually don't do well in those conditions.
 
God knows I don't want to back Hot Sauce's hyperbole on the subject this offseason because I vehemently disagreed, but the wording was, once we got down to it, that he wouldn't give up two back-end firsts in 2022 for Davis. That was his statement in the end. He had said three, but we talked him from the ledge.

Right now, does Davis look like...say...better than Watson and Skyy Moore? Or Pickens or Dotson?

I'm not sure about any of it. Looks like there are some duds and potential studs in there. It's their first year. I'd still take the dart throws, but it's not unreasonable to want the solid number two in the Buffalo passing offense who has been backed by coaches and the GM, both in word and in deed -- especially if one were looking to compete this year.

That's my two cents.

And that's not to reignite the personal debate, but to sort of move to a player evaluation. Davis or Watson and Moore? Davis or Pickens and Dotson?

Interesting case study, this. I know my answer but I've been convinced of it all along. Waiting for Davis to prove me wrong. So far, injury has held him back.
Yes indeed. Exactly my point, and I appreciate the accurate summary - a refreshing change.

Unfortunately my “bird in the hand” has a bum ankle - a difficult thing to predict.

If he’d stop aggravating it in practice maybe we’d eventually find out what’s what.

Your bum in the hand has a bird ankle. :p
 
God knows I don't want to back Hot Sauce's hyperbole on the subject this offseason because I vehemently disagreed, but the wording was, once we got down to it, that he wouldn't give up two back-end firsts in 2022 for Davis. That was his statement in the end. He had said three, but we talked him from the ledge.

Right now, does Davis look like...say...better than Watson and Skyy Moore? Or Pickens or Dotson?

I'm not sure about any of it. Looks like there are some duds and potential studs in there. It's their first year. I'd still take the dart throws, but it's not unreasonable to want the solid number two in the Buffalo passing offense who has been backed by coaches and the GM, both in word and in deed -- especially if one were looking to compete this year.

That's my two cents.

And that's not to reignite the personal debate, but to sort of move to a player evaluation. Davis or Watson and Moore? Davis or Pickens and Dotson?

Interesting case study, this. I know my answer but I've been convinced of it all along. Waiting for Davis to prove me wrong. So far, injury has held him back.
Yes indeed. Exactly my point, and I appreciate the accurate summary - a refreshing change.

Unfortunately my “bird in the hand” has a bum ankle - a difficult thing to predict.

If he’d stop aggravating it in practice maybe we’d eventually find out what’s what.

Your bum in the hand has a bird ankle. :p
:cry:
 
Is the assumption he still isn’t fully healthy? I have sent some trade offers out and curious if we think he will turn it around soon.
 

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