BladeRunner
Footballguy
Started him and, of course, he cratered. I'll bench him next week and he'll drop 25 points.
I hate this guy from a FF perspective SOOOO much.
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WR Gabriel Davis, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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I hate this guy from a FF perspective SOOOO much.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'm with you and doing the same thing.
dmac37
Footballguy
Last week for the first time ever that I can recall they were using Gabe all over the field in various situations, not just his one trick pony role. This really seemed to help the Bills offense, was hoping the coaching staff would continue what was started and worked from last week, NOPE!
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Oh Tank Dell. I moved on from Gabe Davis and was happy to have Tank, but Tank has done nothing for me when starting him and has done all his damage on my bench. So he’s looking like another Davis. I had Rashid Shaheed but moved in from him after his goose egg as well. I don’t play best ball so I don’t have time for WRs who aren’t getting consistent targets. These Lee Evans type boom or bust WRs are the most frustrating in fantasy.
Hartliner
Footballguy
Yep, I bought in too. Dalton Kincaid game tho. Fwiw I saw them targeting Davis too and they had some miscommunications on the option go route that seemed to be the last look of the game. But then they brought out more Shakir looks and some scrub named Sherfield. I was livid.
eagles 123
Footballguy
Fool me twice but wasn’t gonna be fooled a third time, glad I sat this week but disappointed that looks like he truly is a boom or bust and the targets in week 8 were an outlier instead of the new norm.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
Unfortunately Allen was pissed that Gabe messed up a couple of his routes, he will probably not be as trus now, and shakir just may keep getting more work.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He was WR29 in 0.5 PPR. Not sure I would be bragging about dropping him.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
5, 1 and 0 in 3 of his last 4 games in full ppr. I played this game with him last yr too. Horribly inconsistent and only ever goes off on my bench
I dropped him too and am not looking back
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
did you notice this during the game or any other info on it?
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I cut him as well after Week 1 after two years on the roller coaster. No regrets. He’s too inconsistent and too dependent on TDs to return value since he doesn’t get a lot of receptions or yards. Nobody in my league wanted him in a trade, even as a throw-in (he got claimed by the guy last in waiver priority with no competing bids). I couldn’t start him with confidence and like many of you, saw him do his best performances when I had enough and benched him. He’s never going to be an NFL WR1 and he’s barely an NFL WR2 right now. The Bills went out and drafted Kincaid despite extending Knox because they wanted a better second option in the passing game to Diggs. I’m good with letting Davis be someone else’s problem.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
There is an article out there that shows he was wide open on 6 or 7 routes but Allen wasn’t looking his way.
There are some that offer quite a bit more consistency even if they have a lower ceiling. All about tolerance-level for a floor that has proven to be, well, zero.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I do look at his situation and wonder if being targeted or not is on him or Allen. I don’t know, Allen just seems unimpressive to me this year. Use your weapons, you should be leading an unstoppable offense and you are not.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Not really. I’m not expecting 10-12 consistently from him
But I can’t have 0s and 1s and 5s
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He hasn’t been under 5 once
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Depends on scoring format ofcourse but he went catchless week 3 so that is under 5 in all formats
Lansdowne
Footballguy
In fairness Shaheed did put up a goose egg in Week 3 at Green Bay (unless your league counts returns).
efactor
Footballguy
Well, most people didn't draft Shaheed in the 7th round range either so expectations were much lower.
I have no Davis shares but it must be frustrating to see him get 12 targets and then 2 the next week in a game they were playing from behind in.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
ADP from fantasy pros was had Gabe Davis sandwiched between Charbonet, Rodgers, Brandin Cooks and Jamaal Williams. Picks in rounds 8-9 are usually just bad. I think this is entirely leftover bias from how he disappointed people last season.
In the 3 games I started him he had 5 total points.
OK so what's the issue with dropping him then?
Boone22
Footballguy
I just re-read this and then broke my arm patting myself on the backI was one of those guys who didn’t believe in him last year and I don’t really have all that much faith in him this year. Do I think his value has come down into a more acceptable range? Absolutely. But I would not want to count on him as my WR3 on my team. I fully understand that he finished the year as WR36 in PPR and did it on a bum ankle so if you believe when healthy he’ll produce better I can’t fault you for that logic. But my take on it is that as people have mentioned above, he tends to be boom or bust. He played in 15 games last year and had more than 15 points in 4 of them. I tend to be more risk averse than most so if I’m taking a WR3 for my team I want a guy who’s got good hands and is gonna be peppered with targets. I don’t see that in Gabe Davis. To me he’s a deep threat with so-so hands. Add to that, they drafted Kincaid, and I don’t think Davis sees significantly more opportunities than he did last year. This is usually the point where people will reply that they play two different position but to me, there’s still only one football and I don’t know that Allens attempts are going to significantly increase this year. So my personal opinion is that Kincaid will eat into those possible additional targets as a safer outlet option for Allen. David could very well end up at the end of the year being in the WR 25-36 range but my question is how will his points per game scoring look? As other have mentioned above, I don’t have the faith to start him and I wouldn’t unless he strung together a solid 3-4 games in a row. So if you’re playing Best Ball then absolutely pick him up or if you can get him as a WR 6 or 7 that you don’t have to rely on but who could break out then he definitely has significant value at that point. But I’d want at least 4-5 solid/consistent WRs on my team before I’d even consider drafting him. The again that’s just my position. Opinions may vary.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Good bench guy, rough to start, but it feels like the best of Tyler Lockett's prime was like this
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I am curious as well. One of Allen's INTs was on a Gabe target, but to my novice eye it looked like a meatball that he never should have thrown. It's certainly possible he ran the wrong route but what I saw was that he juked the DB off the LOS (left side) and ran *past* him but Allen threw a ball that suggested Davis would have to slow down and come back across the face of the DB. But that would only work if he hadn't beat the DB and they were even. Allen threw it short to a spot that no WR who is ahead of a DB is going to be able to come back for. Whereas if he'd thrown it long it had a solid chance of being a TD or at least a long gainer.
Later, there was a similar situation where Allen threw long but Gabe made a read option that had him hook back. It might have been the one that they called intentional grounding and Allen was rightfully pissed. Collinsworth called it out as an option where the WR and QB weren't on the same page.
TLDR I think Allen is playing really poor ball (at times). This was a really bad game for him.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Side note, I am super curious, haven't looked it up what are the Bills Win/Loss splits when Davis scores a TD vs not. Or when he gets 6 targets or more (arbitrary I know). It feels like a case of not getting your best players the ball isn't good for winning but am I imagining that? As far as Gabe's splits having any correlation to W/L whatsoever?
Lansdowne
Footballguy
How does the ESPN trade glitch work? I’m on Yahoo but used to play on ESPN back in the late 2000’s.A guy in one of the free dynasty leagues I play just did the ESPN trade glitch to keep Gabe Davis after accepting a trade for Cade Otton.
dschuler
Footballguy
I can’t stand ESPN. But it works like this. Your league has to have a roster limit on positional players and it has to have a trade process time to where you can add or drop players while the trade is being reviewed. Let’s say 4 total QBs to be on a roster is the limit. If you only have three you can trade a RB for another QB. When the trade is accepted, you don’t have to drop a QB to accept the trade because you only have 3 QBs at the time and will have 4 when the trade process is complete. So instead you could drop a player at another position. If you have a veto period, you can still make transactions with your team. During this time you can pick up another QB off the waiver wire to give you 4 total QBs. Now you are at your self imposed positional limit. When the trade review period ends, the trade will not process because you would now have 5 QBs and the league limit is 4. During the exact time the trade is supposed to process, a transaction report will still show up but will just be blank because it can not process the trade, and the pending trade will disappear because it’s already passed the review period. So it’s like it never happened.How does the ESPN trade glitch work? I’m on Yahoo but used to play on ESPN back in the late 2000’s.A guy in one of the free dynasty leagues I play just did the ESPN trade glitch to keep Gabe Davis after accepting a trade for Cade Otton.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
So when the trade was accepted, the roster was valid because it had not yet exceeded the position limit. But upon adding an additional player during the veto period, it nullifies the trade because it would then put the team over the limit. I think I get all that. What I don’t get is the part of keeping the player that was supposed to be acquired in the trade. Wouldn’t the player not change hands until after the veto period expires, and because the trade was canceled, not change hands at all as a result? I thought that was how pending trades always worked, but maybe it’s different on ESPN.I can’t stand ESPN. But it works like this. Your league has to have a roster limit on positional players and it has to have a trade process time to where you can add or drop players while the trade is being reviewed. Let’s say 4 total QBs to be on a roster is the limit. If you only have three you can trade a RB for another QB. When the trade is accepted, you don’t have to drop a QB to accept the trade because you only have 3 QBs at the time and will have 4 when the trade process is complete. So instead you could drop a player at another position. If you have a veto period, you can still make transactions with your team. During this time you can pick up another QB off the waiver wire to give you 4 total QBs. Now you are at your self imposed positional limit. When the trade review period ends, the trade will not process because you would now have 5 QBs and the league limit is 4. During the exact time the trade is supposed to process, a transaction report will still show up but will just be blank because it can not process the trade, and the pending trade will disappear because it’s already passed the review period. So it’s like it never happened.How does the ESPN trade glitch work? I’m on Yahoo but used to play on ESPN back in the late 2000’s.A guy in one of the free dynasty leagues I play just did the ESPN trade glitch to keep Gabe Davis after accepting a trade for Cade Otton.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Shakir has caught his last 16 targets. 16-16. Face it, Davis played horribly the other night. He looked disinterested on the bench. 3 targets. 2 were read routes on the sideline, both times he stopped and both times Allen threw long. Then the one attempt in the end zone. Just a big fat nothing.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
that's awesome but I actually meant including last season and the last few games of the 2021 season when he became a full time starter. Something like week 13 that year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Depends on the league depth but every league I have I see worse players rostered and mostly inferior options on waivers
rockaction
Footballguy
Because people don't have a gaping hole in their lineup with Shaheed. They didn't draft him early and he's not putting up goose eggs in Week Nine.
That's why.
rockaction
Footballguy
I wouldn't take up Gabe Davis as cause celebre in any way, shape, or form. The people that are totally against and totally for wind up looking like fools.
This guy is fantasy kryptonite in head-to-head situations where you have a bench, precisely because he's so up and down. If you fill your best ball portfolio with guys like this, you're fine. If you start guys like this in head-to-head, you lose because of variance.
Variance. Such a simple statistical concept and something so few on this site understand.
Variance. Say it with me.
Variance.
This guy is fantasy kryptonite in head-to-head situations where you have a bench, precisely because he's so up and down. If you fill your best ball portfolio with guys like this, you're fine. If you start guys like this in head-to-head, you lose because of variance.
Variance. Such a simple statistical concept and something so few on this site understand.
Variance. Say it with me.
Variance.
dschuler
Footballguy
Correct, the player in the trade doesn’t change hands until after the veto period. But if you add another player at that position during the veto period at get to the positional limit, the trade will not process whenever the veto period ends because the system can’t process the trade and allow you to have more players at a position than the position limit. This has been fixed before, but for whatever reason, has become a thing again.So when the trade was accepted, the roster was valid because it had not yet exceeded the position limit. But upon adding an additional player during the veto period, it nullifies the trade because it would then put the team over the limit. I think I get all that. What I don’t get is the part of keeping the player that was supposed to be acquired in the trade. Wouldn’t the player not change hands until after the veto period expires, and because the trade was canceled, not change hands at all as a result? I thought that was how pending trades always worked, but maybe it’s different on ESPN.I can’t stand ESPN. But it works like this. Your league has to have a roster limit on positional players and it has to have a trade process time to where you can add or drop players while the trade is being reviewed. Let’s say 4 total QBs to be on a roster is the limit. If you only have three you can trade a RB for another QB. When the trade is accepted, you don’t have to drop a QB to accept the trade because you only have 3 QBs at the time and will have 4 when the trade process is complete. So instead you could drop a player at another position. If you have a veto period, you can still make transactions with your team. During this time you can pick up another QB off the waiver wire to give you 4 total QBs. Now you are at your self imposed positional limit. When the trade review period ends, the trade will not process because you would now have 5 QBs and the league limit is 4. During the exact time the trade is supposed to process, a transaction report will still show up but will just be blank because it can not process the trade, and the pending trade will disappear because it’s already passed the review period. So it’s like it never happened.How does the ESPN trade glitch work? I’m on Yahoo but used to play on ESPN back in the late 2000’s.A guy in one of the free dynasty leagues I play just did the ESPN trade glitch to keep Gabe Davis after accepting a trade for Cade Otton.
There have also been weeks on ESPN where you have been able to pick up people on Thursday night games or it had a bye shown when they played Thursday night and you could drop them afterwards. In a league of integrity or with a good commish this wouldn’t be a problem, but really the ESPN app is just not as good as the other choices in my opinion.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah it's a Josh Allen problem
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree with this but let's go back to pre season and Davis was around WR45 off the board, we featured him in the Under/Over threads for will they outpace their draft spot and he was one I definitely highlighted. 3 of the last 4 weeks have been rough, I lost by 2-3 points in a lot of redrafts where I had to start Gabe last week.
-The fact is Gabe Davis was a last WR on the bench and a double digit type draft pick so what people are really belly aching about is that he earned their trust early in the season
Wk 1-Not much
Wk 2-5 he excelled with TDs in all 4 games and 21-10-15-22...that 4 week run he operated like a WR2 for many teams, at least a WR3/Flex and people started using him off the bench and in fact settled on starting him every week.
Then Wk 6 and 7 he was a hole and I think many slide him back to the bench...then he has another 20+ pt week that some missed out on and many start him last week and are rewarded with a complete bagel in what many figured to be a shootout and it should have been but it wasn't.
So now in Week 10 everyone hates the guy but he's performed about as well as most anticipated whether they thought he was going to be successful or a failure, seems like both sides want to spike the football here.
60-900-9TDs is a pretty nice find for Rd 15 or wherever most grabbed him, some likely got him on waivers after Week 1
Pipe down peanut gallery (not you Rock)
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Very nice synopsis.
In my shallowish league scenario he was my WR5, then WR6 after I added Puka. I left him on my bench during his TD run. When I needed him because of injuries and byes he pulled off 1.1 and 0.0 .5ppr points. So bad luck...but it happens with guys like Davis. I just cant see starting him with his productive games so difficult to predict.
rockaction
Footballguy
He was not a 15th round pick. At all. Nobody got Gabe Davis on waivers after Week One.
This is tomfoolery. He was a round seven or eight (maybe nine) guy in almost every standard league. His adp is still ninety-one. It was around there this season. You come up with these numbers and they're nowhere near accurate.
