That’s one opinion.He will never, ever be worth a 2024 1st again, if he ever was.
What if he scored 3 TDs (total) in the first two games?He will never, ever be worth a 2024 1st again, if he ever was.
Even if it’s 3 in 3 games, or 3 in 4 game with say, 5-6 targets in each, he should bounce back to FF WR2 value.What if he scored 3 TDs (total) in the first two games?He will never, ever be worth a 2024 1st again, if he ever was.
I mean I’m mostly on your side if speaking how he’s valued now - but the reason to hold is there is some upside still. I also think his boom/bust nature (which needs more boom) isn’t bad for a WR3.
Those people are wrong, too. He's not an early 2nd today, barely a mid-2nd according to KTCBut folks here are saying early 2nd. So a hot start and we’re talking 3-4 spots up?
Opinions noted. Let’s take a step back and see how it plays out. You could be right.Those people are wrong, too. He's not an early 2nd today, barely a mid-2nd according to KTCBut folks here are saying early 2nd. So a hot start and we’re talking 3-4 spots up?
I literally acknowledged his market value in my post above. It's what it was about.I'm not really stating an opinion, just go to KTC and look at the values. Say what you will about their usage and methodology, but the values are updated in real time.
Not sure I'm understanding this argument. Are you saying no matter what he does this season (say he has 1200+ 9 TDs), he wouldn't be worth a 1st?I'm not really stating an opinion, just go to KTC and look at the values. Say what you will about their usage and methodology, but the values are updated in real time.
Even in this draft I’d roll the dice and take it.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
I might actually sell him for that in my rebuild league.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
I’d rather have the 1.10.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
He will, in all probability, never reach that value, and the chances of him ever having a NFL season with 1200+ 9 TDs is so small as to be considered zero.Not sure I'm understanding this argument. Are you saying no matter what he does this season (say he has 1200+ 9 TDs), he wouldn't be worth a 1st?I'm not really stating an opinion, just go to KTC and look at the values. Say what you will about their usage and methodology, but the values are updated in real time.
Your statement was "He will never, ever be worth a 2024 1st again, if he ever was." I think if he has a great season he'll be worth a 1st easily.
Now I highly doubt he'll reach that value, but it's certainly not impossible which you are suggesting.
That's an easy accept.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
I, and 2 others, just said we’d smash accept.That's an easy accept.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
Gabe owners have to be the most stubborn fantasy players out there and it's not even close.
wow, yeah def seems like an outlier. but then again. 1.10 sucks this year.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
That's an easy accept.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
Gabe owners have to be the most stubborn fantasy players out there and it's not even close.
Well said.I’m not stubborn, I’m just dumb relaxing over here on Gabe island.
I'm a Davis owner too. Just a realistic one who didn't let the hype go off the charts last preseason. From looking back on this thread, it was pretty weird and obsessive hype followed by many excuses.I, and 2 others, just said we’d smash accept.That's an easy accept.I offered 1.10 for 2.05 and Gabe Davis and was rejected.
Gabe owners have to be the most stubborn fantasy players out there and it's not even close.
So 3/4 of Gabe owners we know of would have taken that deal.
Why do non-Davis owners insist on these sweeping hater generalizations? It comes off as weird and obsessive.
Once again, I got him as a toss in in one league and a 1:1 for James Robinson early last year. I’m less invested in him than almost everyone here.I'm a Davis owner too. Just a realistic one who didn't let the hype go off the charts last preseason. From looking back on this thread, it was pretty weird and obsessive hype followed by many excuses.
But we'll see how he does this year. I'm not expecting much.
No idea. I’ve heard no updates, and it always sounded like media speculation to me rather than anyhing from the teams.Is D Hop to Buffalo dead? Sounded like they were in talks but not enough compensation on draft night to get it done. Maybe Buffalo offers more now since they didn't get a WR in the draft like they wanted?
Allen+Diggs+Hopkins+Kincaid would be insane. Gabe would be a fantastic 3rd WR that could stretch the field.
I feel that opposite forces are working against him. I think they pass more to the RBs this year, I think they drafted Kincaid for a reason and will incorporate him, and I think Shakir still has a chance to garner more looks. Outside of Diggs going cookoo, I don’t see a reason to be too excited about Gabe.I feel like he's a fantastic value at this point.
He's going at an ADP of #77 on Underdog. Good for around WR42.
He didn't live up to expectations last season. But he wasn't THAT bad. He was injured for part of the season. He still put up 836 and 7 in 15 games. His 17 game numbers would have been about 950 and 8.
Even just considering the 15 games--he was WR27 in 1/2 PPR Formats.
He was WR34 in PPR formats.
He's 24 years old. He'll have another year of experience under his belt. He'll be healthy going into the season. There's a good chance he's Josh Allen's second most targeted player.
He should absolute beat his ADP.
Diggs had 150 targets last year. Gabe was still getting over 6 targets per game.I feel that opposite forces are working against him. I think they pass more to the RBs this year, I think they drafted Kincaid for a reason and will incorporate him, and I think Shakir still has a chance to garner more looks. Outside of Diggs going cookoo, I don’t see a reason to be too excited about Gabe.I feel like he's a fantastic value at this point.
He's going at an ADP of #77 on Underdog. Good for around WR42.
He didn't live up to expectations last season. But he wasn't THAT bad. He was injured for part of the season. He still put up 836 and 7 in 15 games. His 17 game numbers would have been about 950 and 8.
Even just considering the 15 games--he was WR27 in 1/2 PPR Formats.
He was WR34 in PPR formats.
He's 24 years old. He'll have another year of experience under his belt. He'll be healthy going into the season. There's a good chance he's Josh Allen's second most targeted player.
He should absolute beat his ADP.
Good question, did he? I admit, I am higher on Shakir and lower on Gabe than the majority.Diggs had 150 targets last year. Gabe was still getting over 6 targets per game.I feel that opposite forces are working against him. I think they pass more to the RBs this year, I think they drafted Kincaid for a reason and will incorporate him, and I think Shakir still has a chance to garner more looks. Outside of Diggs going cookoo, I don’t see a reason to be too excited about Gabe.I feel like he's a fantastic value at this point.
He's going at an ADP of #77 on Underdog. Good for around WR42.
He didn't live up to expectations last season. But he wasn't THAT bad. He was injured for part of the season. He still put up 836 and 7 in 15 games. His 17 game numbers would have been about 950 and 8.
Even just considering the 15 games--he was WR27 in 1/2 PPR Formats.
He was WR34 in PPR formats.
He's 24 years old. He'll have another year of experience under his belt. He'll be healthy going into the season. There's a good chance he's Josh Allen's second most targeted player.
He should absolute beat his ADP.
I think a lot of the "Bills want to pass to the RB's more" is an attempt to keep Allen from taking hits in the running game. I think those dump offs eat into Allen's rushing. Maybe they compete with what Kincaid is doing. I'm not sure the RB's are taking touches that would go to Davis. You've got one of the best QB's in the league. I have a hard time thinking they're going to reduce the offense to a combination of QB runs and RB dump offs.
Long term, I certainly think Kincaid becomes the #2--maybe even the #1 option in the passing game. Rookie TE's notoriously don't produce huge numbers. Kincaid may be the exception. I'll certainly take some flyers on the guy. But I'm not sure he's going to be the reason Gabe doesn't success this year. It sounds like they're looking to use him in the slot a lot. Which would leave Davis on the outside working for deep balls.
Shakir--I like the guy as a late round flier in best ball. But if we're saying he showed enough to eat into Gabes prodution--did Gabe not show a lot last year in his own right?
Diggs had 150 targets last year. Gabe was still getting over 6 targets per game.I feel that opposite forces are working against him. I think they pass more to the RBs this year, I think they drafted Kincaid for a reason and will incorporate him, and I think Shakir still has a chance to garner more looks. Outside of Diggs going cookoo, I don’t see a reason to be too excited about Gabe.I feel like he's a fantastic value at this point.
He's going at an ADP of #77 on Underdog. Good for around WR42.
He didn't live up to expectations last season. But he wasn't THAT bad. He was injured for part of the season. He still put up 836 and 7 in 15 games. His 17 game numbers would have been about 950 and 8.
Even just considering the 15 games--he was WR27 in 1/2 PPR Formats.
He was WR34 in PPR formats.
He's 24 years old. He'll have another year of experience under his belt. He'll be healthy going into the season. There's a good chance he's Josh Allen's second most targeted player.
He should absolute beat his ADP.
I think a lot of the "Bills want to pass to the RB's more" is an attempt to keep Allen from taking hits in the running game. I think those dump offs eat into Allen's rushing. Maybe they compete with what Kincaid is doing. I'm not sure the RB's are taking touches that would go to Davis. You've got one of the best QB's in the league. I have a hard time thinking they're going to reduce the offense to a combination of QB runs and RB dump offs.
Long term, I certainly think Kincaid becomes the #2--maybe even the #1 option in the passing game. Rookie TE's notoriously don't produce huge numbers. Kincaid may be the exception. I'll certainly take some flyers on the guy. But I'm not sure he's going to be the reason Gabe doesn't success this year. It sounds like they're looking to use him in the slot a lot. Which would leave Davis on the outside working for deep balls.
Shakir--I like the guy as a late round flier in best ball. But if we're saying he showed enough to eat into Gabes prodution--did Gabe not show a lot last year in his own right?
He looked solid before the high ankle sprain, which reportedly derailed his season for months.Good question, did he? I admit, I am higher on Shakir and lower on Gabe than the majority.
What do you base this on? Is that not something players can improve on?I am not sure that will get that much better this year.
What do you base this on? Is that not something players can improve on?I am not sure that will get that much better this year.
Short answer, no. He’s not a hands guy and more of a body catcher. I loved me some GD last year, but I am mostly out this year.What do you base this on? Is that not something players can improve on?I am not sure that will get that much better this year.
I think he’s at a much more attractive price point this year.Short answer, no. He’s not a hands guy and more of a body catcher. I loved me some GD last year, but I am mostly out this year.What do you base this on? Is that not something players can improve on?I am not sure that will get that much better this year.
Agee with the premise but I doubt they just stop throwing to Knox. Allen likes him in the RZ, and he’s a decent enough receiver to not become a full time blocker. I’ve seen that narrative quite a bit & it seems like Wishful thinking from Kinkaid shareholders.Agreed with all counts on comment regarding Dalton Kincaid. Bills traded up to draft this guy to be their slot receiver (and likely #2 target behind Diggs). (The rumors were in on Josh Allen lobby for Kincaid with Bills' 1st round pick.) Bills acknowledge the need for another weapon due to double and triple coverage of Diggs and Davis' non-factor. In all, I strongly believe that Bills will operate 12 as their offense basis. Dont forget that their OC Ken Dorsey was QB coach for Panthers with QB Cam Newton and TE Greg Olsen. So I believe Kincaid is going to get done as receiver, not blocker (this is Dawson Knox's role now).
How's his golf game?Played golf with Gabe here in Orlando Friday. This Diggs stuff has had a positive effect on his relationship with Josh. Shakir is not a factor here and I completely agree with the Kincaid/RB catches competing with each other rather than Davis. Josh will run less this year, but nothing drastic generally...more so less short yardage carries <--- all IMO based on conversation. Fully convinced Gabe outperforms ADP, which is SO cheap. Great late rd target
Better than you would think - right around a 10How's his golf game?Played golf with Gabe here in Orlando Friday. This Diggs stuff has had a positive effect on his relationship with Josh. Shakir is not a factor here and I completely agree with the Kincaid/RB catches competing with each other rather than Davis. Josh will run less this year, but nothing drastic generally...more so less short yardage carries <--- all IMO based on conversation. Fully convinced Gabe outperforms ADP, which is SO cheap. Great late rd target
How’s his jump shot?If I played basketball, he would be a top target in every league as a later pick
I was very meh on him last offseason, but now that he's gone from low-end WR2 price to WR4 price, I'm interested.With DHop going to the Titans, I'm back in on Gabe this year. After burning so many last year he is dirt cheap but still option 2 in the passing game and will be healthy unlike last year.
Joe Buscaglia @JoeBuscaglia
Bills WR Gabe Davis said he felt like he “lost a step” when he suffered a high ankle sprain early in the 2022 season and that impacted his whole year. Said it messes with your head. He added he feels fully back to normal and healthy now.
Heather Prusak @haprusak
Stefon Diggs: "I feel like Gabe Davis will have a breakout year. If I wasn't here, Gabe Davis would be a WR1"
Backhanded compliment.Heather Prusak @haprusakStefon Diggs: "I feel like Gabe Davis will have a breakout year. If I wasn't here, Gabe Davis would be a WR1"
Like, as a flex?If he's the price again where I have to start him, meh.
As in an every week WR3. A flex option is the lowest he'd go IMO and that's my preferred cost.Like, as a flex?If he's the price again where I have to start him, meh.
Seems like a great value as a WR4/flex play.