Depends on the scoring system. Do QB's typically outscore WR's?
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WR George Pickens, DAL (2 Viewers)
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I don't play in any SF lineup leagues to ever face these type of decisions but in my league scoring 13 QB's scored over 20 PPG and one WR so I may not be the person to ask but seems like the floor on a QB is a lot higher and the direction I'd go and would go with Penix or Flacco.
Most projections I see have the QBs outscoring Pickens.
Hayden Winks analysis of Pickens...and he's the man:
WR30 George Pickens (9.5 proj HPPR). The Cowboys project for the 4th-fewest points of the week (19.5), and the Eagles allowed the fewest explosive passes last year. That's the name of Pickens' game, so he'll have to come down with some grabs against emerging CB1 Quinyon Mitchell when he's on that side of the field. He's capable of doing that, and we'll quickly find out if his route tree is going to expand in a new system. This is hopefully the lowest I'll rank him for a while. And there's still hope for him if they put him against the Eagles CB2 assuming Mitchell doesn't travel to both sides.
If that's the case it seems like an easy choice to go QB over WR then.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Birds have 5 new starters on defense and the Boys will have to pass/score to win. I’d think they’ll want to get CD and Pickens going early and often.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Outside CB #2 is probably going to be the weakness of this defense. If Mitchell shadows Lamb, that could mean opportunities for Pickens.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On one hand I thought he had a solid game and helped the Cowboys passing attack look pretty good last night
But then he makes a bonehead move throwing the DB to the ground by his helmet or head/neck area, that's gonna draw a flag almost every time
@Godsbrother The Steelers have already picked up 15 yards getting rid of him
But then he makes a bonehead move throwing the DB to the ground by his helmet or head/neck area, that's gonna draw a flag almost every time
@Godsbrother The Steelers have already picked up 15 yards getting rid of him
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
He's gonna eat. I also think that with CD there...he understands that he's not even 1B, so the chances for him 'checking out' are reduced (not eliminated). But CD definitely had room to run last night and I would credit Pickens with PHI having to be somewhat more balanced in their coverages.
What I didn't get the sense of though last night is Dak trusting him quite yet. And they'll likely have to wait for a favorable matchup for a gameplan to feature that connection. PHI I don't think in retrospect was a good matchup for that.
Split the difference and started him in one league and benched him in another. Oh well.
Tough week 1 matchup. Gotta think it gets better from here.
That stunk. I said in my reply this is not the Steelers and only difference was they threw him a pass early but otherwise looked similar.
Low usage, a lot of difficult routes along the boundaries, a big PI we don't get credit for and then Pickens getting a penalty. Same thing, different place.
No doubt it will be better but disappointing and I've still got 4 drafts left to do and expect he drops 2+ rounds. Will be interesting and I will be interested in that range.
As for the matchup it was not easy, what I read during the game was Mitchell shadowed him in the first half but not the second.
I ended up sitting him for MHJ, started him another place there was really no debate. Thankfully in FFPC redaft you can bench players who play in the Thursday and Friday night game retroactively otherwise he'd have sunk a few other lineups.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I see a 2024 Jamo type year not being out of the question but the start isn't great. That said, maybe the variance game goes his direction next game. Also 10 YPR won't cut it for a player like Pickens- a perennial 15-18 YPR player.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Sat him and Dak last night for Sutton and Lawrence. Just did not like the on the road to Philly season opener vibes. Breathing a sigh of relief. They will have plenty of up weeks though
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Shortly after the trade, I recall reading (I forget where) that Pickens would benefit CeeDee & Furgeson by presenting a legitimate downfield threat opening up targets underneath.
Last night Pickens did have a couple of clutch catches. But his biggest impact was drawing that massive DPI early in the game.
Gotta believe Pickens will be more involved but I’d be a little nervous if I had shares.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree with this. It’s purely anecdotal, but I rarely have good results from players on TNF.
Thursday games (especially when the season starts to take a physical toll) are usually ugly offensive games. While it's fun to have guys to root for I usually go the opposite and if I have a close lineup decision I usually try and steer clear of the Thursday starts.
Now IDP side is different. Those guys usually have solid outings.
Maybe but presumably that would be due to a short week which wasn't the case last night.
ETA: looks like the difference in points scored on Thursday is minor, about 1 point total.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He looked slow to me
@SleeperNFL
Cowboys WR George Pickens on getting more touches, via @jonmachota:
"I'm not really worried about the touches or catches. I'm just trying to stay open and help the team get that first win."
Do you buy it?
I don’t buy it. George cares about George. If he does not get what he wants then expect drama.@SleeperNFL
Cowboys WR George Pickens on getting more touches, via @jonmachota:
"I'm not really worried about the touches or catches. I'm just trying to stay open and help the team get that first win."
Do you buy it?
What do we think of the matchup this week?
If he had pulled in that ball he got the PI on his week would have looked a lot better.
Drafted him as a #2 WR, but my brain is shifting him down into flex territory vs. some questionable options. That's usually the time I sit somebody and they explode on my bench.
If he had pulled in that ball he got the PI on his week would have looked a lot better.
Drafted him as a #2 WR, but my brain is shifting him down into flex territory vs. some questionable options. That's usually the time I sit somebody and they explode on my bench.
Timmay
Footballguy
I think Cowboys offense in week 1 looked good especially in the first half against an above average defense. No TD's for the passing game made it look bad, that won't happen often. Dak looked good and gave Pickens a great chance to make a play on the PI call. I'm starting him with confidence that him and Dak will have a bounce back week.
@SleeperCowboys
George Pickens has 98 yards on eight receptions and one touchdown through two games. He has also drawn multiple DPI penalties.
Already making an impact
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Starting him over JWill and QJohnson this week as my WR3 with ARSB and Zay Flowers
Proteus
Footballguy
When CD comes back, is it possible for them to utilize one to scheme open the other?
That sure seemed to be the off-season hope.
Feels like the most straight forward way to move the chains with the occasional deep shot.
But if they're just gonna take turns, then it's a big sell high, innit.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah it looks like everything is coming together for him. Will be a monster as long as Lamb is out and even when he does, will Lamb be fully recovered and getting the same type looks?
There is really no reason they can’t be like Chase and Higgins last year.
And this was the upside promise for Pickens...that he would be Higgins ish.
It all makes sense.
Similar situations, athletic profiles, style and I recall seeing some tweets in the off season about how similar statistically they were to each other after 3 seasons
I know a few times during drafting season I’d be thinking of drafting Tee in rd 3 and would think to myself, “I can get roughly the same guy 2 rounds later”.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
The RAC on the 2nd TD was really nice. Didn’t know he had that.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Maybe he just needed a decent QB all along.
One thing I really liked, and I think bodes well for this idea, is that every play Pickens made, they'd cut to the sideline, and nobody was happier than Lamb. Like he wasn't sullen, he wasn't "It should be me" he was thrilled his teammate made a play, and there was a video I saw where Lamb was mic'd up, and basically called the 1st TD based on the alignment of the defense. He was like, "they aren't gonna leave him in press man here are they? This is gonna be a TD for #3" and then it was, and Lamb was thrilled.
I think the main reason why Higgins and Pickens had the disparity was because we'd seen Higgins do it, and there were some fears that Dak "got paid" and wasn't gonna be 2023 Dak again. I ended up with shares of both (and Lamb)
With Javonte Williams looking like a comeback player of the year candidate, this could be a scary offense going forward. Very much could be this year's Bengals not just as Chase and Higgins, but as Burrow and Brown as well.
that was incredible
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Awesome stuff here
AJ Brown should take notes
'We see how it's going for the Bengals and we're into that'
Seriously though they probably should sign him up asap
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
not crazy about Sauce this week
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I believe he wants to play the year out and try FA
Neo
The Dude minds
The guy is so overrated, another dumb contract by the Jets. Not worried one bit.
Hes not good
