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WR Jakobi Meyers, LV (1 Viewer)
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
Rev him up
the spanker
Footballguy
I want to so badly but I don't have a seat for him in my starting lineup.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He’s inching closer to my last man in. As much as I hate Jimmy G, a sure handed underneath guy is perfect for him.
Ardbeg4ever
Footballguy
Just acquired him for Moss (redraft to JT owner). Seems like a high floor guy that is ranked too low IMO. Hopefully Jimmy G gets back in the lineup.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
0 targets
Jimmy the Stud!!
Jimmy the Stud!!
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Fun's over it appears. Raiders offense is truly broken despite them having some really good weapons. Wonder if the lack of field stretcher is killing them.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I just offered him for DJ in a best ball dynasty league. Was turned down...I might be glad that happened
Who TF is DJ? Dionte Johnson?!? He of the no hands, no heart and 5 foot 180 QB Carol Panthers?
Lucky you offered this lifeline to a person looking to drown on the flooding rooftop.
efactor
Footballguy
Doubtful. Johnson is one of the best separators in the league and Canales is raving about him. Old man Theilen caught over 100 passes last year and Johnson is light years better at this point.I just offered him for DJ in a best ball dynasty league. Was turned down...I might be glad that happened
That said, I think Meyers is an excellent receiver but unless they trade Adams before the season starts (doubtful), I just don’t see him having a meaningful FF season in that offense. Raiders defense looks pretty good and they will probably be in the bottom 3rd in pass attempts. Plus adding Bowers will cut down his targets. Maybe next year when Adams is probably gone.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
What is Jakobi going to do on the Raiders? Is there any reason to keep this guy? Thinking about picking up Losivas in Cincy for him. I'm afraid of Minshew's noodle arm.
Minshew is better than what they had last year. hes actually a very underrated player. but the team as a whole is not that good, so they will be playing from behind a lot.
this gamescript likely means a WR is gonna get a lot of garbage time points when the raiders are down 2 TD's in the 4th Quarter. Jacobi is a guy I expect to get a lot of those throws. I think hes a sneaky good pick at his ADP
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I think this team actually is good in a sense that they are average / above average 8-9 9-8 way. They have core players on both sides of the ball. Just have a game manager as a QB. They have a RB that will grind away at defenses and they have a defense that will probably be fresh and make big plays when it matters. They also play in a division with really one contender. This team will be living in the 38-41 over unders all season long. This ownership would rather be wild card competitive than to tear the whole thing down and do a 2 to 3 year rebuild.
I don’t think this passing offense will be that crazy. I also think this team plays really hard for Pierce- he’s a “raiders culture” guy. I think they want to 12 personnel it and run the ball, RPO and take easier plays vs go for explosives. They just don’t have the personnel for that.
So, no, I think Meyers has replacement level PPR value with little to no upside for more pending injury to Adams or Bowers.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Jakobi Meyers, for whatever reason, is a guy that produces that no one wants to roster. The numbers bear this out. In PPR leagues:
2020 - ADP WR145 - Second half of the season ranking WR24
2021 - ADP WR59 - Finished WR30
2022 - ADP WR56 - Finished WR29
2023 - ADP WR53 - Finished WR24
2024 - ADP WR53 - Finished WR20
Here are the quarterbacks he’s had throwing to him in that time: Cam Newton, Brian Hoyer, Jarrett Stidham, Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe, Aidan O’Connell, and Jimmy Garoppolo.
That seems like he’s been pretty productive working with some less than stellar QBs.
2020 - ADP WR145 - Second half of the season ranking WR24
2021 - ADP WR59 - Finished WR30
2022 - ADP WR56 - Finished WR29
2023 - ADP WR53 - Finished WR24
2024 - ADP WR53 - Finished WR20
Here are the quarterbacks he’s had throwing to him in that time: Cam Newton, Brian Hoyer, Jarrett Stidham, Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe, Aidan O’Connell, and Jimmy Garoppolo.
That seems like he’s been pretty productive working with some less than stellar QBs.
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taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
It’s crazy but there always a good half dozen value guys that are second and third tier performers that no one wants at draft. These same owners will pay a fortune for tier one guys and rookies. Across two teams I drafted Christian Kirk, Chris Godwin, Khalil Shakir, Jerry Jeudy, Tyler Lockett, Brandin Cooks, DeAndre Hopkins and Jakobi Meyers as value plays. I’m not saying they are all second and third tier guys but I paid peanuts for them and surely some of them will finish Top 20-25.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - could be a nice pickup. Was dropped in my league last week - just have to hope he can get healthy soon.
the spanker
Footballguy
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Nope not yet. Regardless who it will be I think Meyers is a legit fantasy option. Not a high-end WR1 or anything but it's essentially Bowers and then him. With Olave/Cooper maybe injured, I am forced to start him this weekend in one league.
The Raiders will be down early and often, having to air it out a ton. Bodes well for him.
Hope you are right. Going to drop Dionte Johnson and start Meyers.
the spanker
Footballguy
What's your ranking this week? Top 15? 20? 25?
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
Desmond Ridder couldn't sustain a passing game while in Atlanta with much stronger surrounding talent. Meyers may retain value being one of the only mouths worth feeding, but the quality of the passing game takes a hit IMO and I'm downgrading LV pass catchers across the board.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Blue light special on Jakobi in early drafts. All over him in the 40's. Would honestly pay more. Yeah Bowers is there and will get his, and the rookie looks promising, but I'm betting on the Raiders being a better team this year and Jakobi is a great WR. (yes, great.) I enjoy watching him play.
another good player with no hype
jm192
Footballguy
WR-A 17 game pace: 100 receptions, 1130 yards, 6 TD's
WR-B 17 game pace: 98 receptions, 1164 yards, 4 TD's
WR-A ranges from WR12-WR15 in rankings (FBG and Fantasypros)
WR-B ranges from WR 39-40 in rankings (FBG and Fantasypros).
One of these guys is obviously Jakobi Meyers. If you play enough fantasy football to be reading Footballguys message boards in June, you probably know WR-A is JSN.
JSN is more talented than JM. No argument. Jakobi should go after JSN. No argument. Should it be 25-28 spots different? Probably not.
WR-B 17 game pace: 98 receptions, 1164 yards, 4 TD's
WR-A ranges from WR12-WR15 in rankings (FBG and Fantasypros)
WR-B ranges from WR 39-40 in rankings (FBG and Fantasypros).
One of these guys is obviously Jakobi Meyers. If you play enough fantasy football to be reading Footballguys message boards in June, you probably know WR-A is JSN.
JSN is more talented than JM. No argument. Jakobi should go after JSN. No argument. Should it be 25-28 spots different? Probably not.
jm192
Footballguy
Jakobi Meyers finishsed as WR23 in half PPR and WR19 in PPR. He missed 2 games.
He caught passes from Aiden O'Connel and Desmond Ridder for a significant part of the season. They upgraded his QB spot quite a bit this year with Geno Smith. I'm not here to argue Geno is some amazing QB. But he's certainly an upgrade.
The Raiders significantly upgraded the RB position. It's reasonable to assume they'll run the ball more this year. I think the entire offense will be better/more efficient, and they'll run more plays this year.
I assume/think a part of the WR39-40 ranking is "Brock Bowers is the real WR1." Sure. But he was last year too. And Jakobi was still good. Now you upgrade the other parts of the offense. He should have yet another solid season.
He caught passes from Aiden O'Connel and Desmond Ridder for a significant part of the season. They upgraded his QB spot quite a bit this year with Geno Smith. I'm not here to argue Geno is some amazing QB. But he's certainly an upgrade.
The Raiders significantly upgraded the RB position. It's reasonable to assume they'll run the ball more this year. I think the entire offense will be better/more efficient, and they'll run more plays this year.
I assume/think a part of the WR39-40 ranking is "Brock Bowers is the real WR1." Sure. But he was last year too. And Jakobi was still good. Now you upgrade the other parts of the offense. He should have yet another solid season.
I end up with Meyers in a lot of best balls, I haven't even had JSN pop up as a top remaining guy on my board once yet. I fully agree with the bolded, but I'd argue its not just because Meyers is underrated, its because JSN in my opinion is very overrated.
LawFitz
Footballguy
JSN's team target pie vacated DKM and Lockett, while JM's added a supposedly rejuvinated Mayer, plus two talented rookie WRs who have been receiving a fair amount of hype since the draft. I think that distinction in surroundings is playing a big role in their ADP disparity, in addition to JSN being a former 1st-rd WR coming off a mini-breakout 2nd year.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't think there's an argument that Jakobi>JSN. This post was never to convince you of that. It was to convince you that 87 catches and 1,000 yards catching a lot of passes from AOC and Ridder is going really unsung.
What does a rejuvenated Mayer look like? 48 catches and 460 yards through 2 seasons. I've got him in a couple of TE Premium leagues hoping for anything. But I certainly don't hear he's "rejunivnated" and knock JM down some.
Sure, they took a 2nd round WR. "A fair amount of hype since the draft" Surely, you remember Elijah Moore getting hype as a rookie. Maybe Bech will be really good. If he is, will it be year 1? But certainly "getting hype" in the off-season has to be taken with a grain of salt.
I know Meyers is good.
And while you post the potentially negative things, we can't skip over the positive. Geno is a tremendous QB upgrade.
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
Hard to underestimate how much better Carroll and Chip Kelly should be over the Pierce and Getsy/Turner regime. I'm bullish on Jakobi and the Raiders this year.
Jakobi was WR 42 the first 6 games of last year with Adams there. From weeks 7-18, after Adams got traded, Jakobi was WR #20, and averaged 15.7 a game. That's with Bowers dominating, poor to average QB play and the terrible offense scheme of Luke Getsy /Scott Turner. I'm optimistic that Jakobi can at least continue his production from the end of last year, and hopeful he could even exceed it.
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Jakobi was WR 42 the first 6 games of last year with Adams there. From weeks 7-18, after Adams got traded, Jakobi was WR #20, and averaged 15.7 a game. That's with Bowers dominating, poor to average QB play and the terrible offense scheme of Luke Getsy /Scott Turner. I'm optimistic that Jakobi can at least continue his production from the end of last year, and hopeful he could even exceed it.
New 8 + minute video of Jakobi running routes.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
I didn't think it was. I took that you were not agreeing with their wide disparity in ADP. I listed reasons for why that ADP could make sense, and ultimately prove valid.
I dunno, but he came into the league highly regarded and showed flashes prior to having some sort of mental meltdown of unknown origin or resolution last year... He's a wildcard with talent should he earn slot/inside targets.
Really really like Bech as a Raiders fan. I see his drafting as a solid double in the making. Bech looks polished and talented enough to make noise as a rookie, with similar attributes to Jakobi and signifantly more physicality. If the latter stumbles at any point, with injury or otherwise, the former could instantly grab and subsequently maintain significant target-share - he at least projects as a fairly immediate threat to do so - not guaranteed in any way, but rookies are a threat until they are not. I was and am a fan of that pick - Jakobi and the rest of this WR corps needed reinforcement/depth/competition and I think Bech brings all of that.
What I didn't expect (before or during the draft) was how much of a steal the 4th round rookie could turn out to be. Thornton has top-1% NFL WR physical attributes and catches the ball with his hands. He spent the first OTA almost exlusively running with the 1st team, even ahead of Bech. 6'5'' with 4.3 speed and hands on a team that could sorely use it. There is a world where Thornton opens up Jakobi for a monster season, but also one where he grabs command of target share, along with true #1 Bowers.
100% agree. As are Carroll and Kelly. And Spytek and Brady. And Jeanty. And several OL. Raiders offense is very very intriguiging. But how that exactly translates for Jakobi seems a lot more TBD (could be anything from major to minor focal point) than how the Seahawks are likely to re-align around JSN (seemingly set up to be the alpha). All these factors are playing into their ADP so much that it nearly makes comparison of the exact numbers they posted and tracked for last season irrelevant. A LOT has changed on both offenses since then.
