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WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN (1 Viewer)

Buckna said:
I don’t see much evidence of that at all in their draft history. The only time that appears to apply is when they wasted the 9th pick on John Ross after drafting Boyd the year before. At least then AJG had had his 1st major injury getting IR’d after week 10 that season. Ouch in hindsight too, Patrick Mahomes, Marshon Lattimore, and Deshaun Watson were the next 3 picks.

I think a better argument would be that Boyd’s contract is easily cuttable after 2021 and while he’s been solid Chase could be elite. Bengals could look to say the Cowboys as an example who spent a 1st on Lamb last year despite having Cooper and Gallup. I think they would be better served protecting Burrow and upgrading their line but giving Burrow weapons is a good option too especially if Sewell isn’t there.

Based on prior draft history I would think Pitts would be their target. Bengals have long spent high picks on pass catching TE’s looking for a good one. Unfortunately Gresham was a bust, Eifert looked like a longtime stud but had career altering injuries that derailed him, maybe they are still high on Sample but Pitts seems like a massive and instant upgrade from him.
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I was gong from memory and I am talking about 1st and 2nd round picks.

Here are those since the year 2000

1 2020 1 1 Joe Burrow QB 23 2020 2020 0 0 1 7 10 10 LSU College Stats
2 2020 2 33 Tee Higgins WR 21 2020 2020 0 0 1 6 16 14 Clemson College Stats
3 2019 1 11 Jonah Williams G 21 2020 2020 0 0 1 4 10 10 Alabama College Stats
4 2019 2 52 Drew Sample TE 23 2019 2020 0 0 1 2 25 15 Washington College Stats
5 2018 1 21 Billy Price C 23 2018 2020 0 0 1 10 42 19 Ohio St. College Stats
6 2018 2 54 Jessie Bates III S 21 2018 2020 0 0 3 20 48 48 Wake Forest College Stats
7 2017 1 9 John Ross WR 21 2017 2020 0 0 1 5 27 20 Washington College Stats
8 2017 2 48 Joe Mixon RB 21 2017 2020 0 0 2 27 50 41 Oklahoma College Stats
9 2016 1 24 William Jackson III CB 23 2017 2020 0 0 3 15 59 48 Houston College Stats
10 2016 2 55 Tyler Boyd WR 21 2016 2020 0 0 2 27 71 40 Pittsburgh College Stats
11 2015 1 21 Cedric Ogbuehi T 23 2015 2020 0 0 2 15 57 29 Texas A&M College Stats
12 2015 2 53 Jake Fisher T 22 2015 2018 0 0 0 8 48 12 Oregon College Stats
13 2014 1 24 Darqueze Dennard DB 22 2014 2020 0 0 0 13 85 30 Michigan St. College Stats
14 2014 2 55 Jeremy Hill RB 21 2014 2018 0 0 3 21 55 43 LSU College Stats
15 2013 1 21 Tyler Eifert TE 22 2013 2020 0 1 2 18 74 41 Notre Dame College Stats
16 2013 2 37 Giovani Bernard RB 21 2013 2020 0 0 2 40 115 30 North Carolina College Stats
17 2013 2 53 Margus Hunt DE 26 2013 2020 0 0 1 17 104 26 SMU College Stats
18 2012 1 17 Dre Kirkpatrick DB 22 2012 2020 0 0 5 31 113 78 Alabama College Stats
19 2012 1 27 Kevin Zeitler G 22 2012 2020 0 0 9 47 135 134 Wisconsin College Stats
20 2012 2 53 Devon Still DT 23 2012 2016 0 0 0 3 33 0 Penn St. College Stats
21 2011 1 4 A.J. Green WR 23 2011 2020 0 7 9 70 127 125 Georgia College Stats
22 2011 2 35 Andy Dalton QB 23 2011 2020 0 3 9 84 144 142 TCU College Stats
23 2010 1 21 Jermaine Gresham TE 22 2010 2018 0 2 9 28 132 118 Oklahoma College Stats
24 2010 2 54 Carlos Dunlap DE 21 2010 2020 0 2 7 63 163 121 Florida College Stats
25 2009 1 6 Andre Smith T 22 2009 2019 0 0 8 43 116 98 Alabama College Stats
26 2009 2 38 Rey Maualuga LB 22 2009 2017 0 0 9 47 120 108 USC College Stats
27 2008 1 9 Keith Rivers LB 22 2008 2014 0 0 4 24 74 50 USC College Stats
28 2008 2 46 Jerome Simpson WR 22 2008 2015 0 0 3 17 63 37 Coastal Carolina
29 2007 1 18 Leon Hall DB 22 2007 2018 0 0 6 50 152 112 Michigan College Stats
30 2007 2 49 Kenny Irons RB 0 0 0 Auburn College Stats
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS College/Univ
31 2006 1 24 Johnathan Joseph DB 22 2006 2020 0 2 14 67 211 192 South Carolina
32 2006 2 55 Andrew Whitworth T 24 2006 2020 2 4 14 102 224 220 LSU
33 2005 1 17 David Pollack LB 23 2005 2006 0 0 0 3 16 6 Georgia College Stats
34 2005 2 48 Odell Thurman LB 22 2005 2005 0 0 1 8 16 15 Georgia College Stats
35 2004 1 26 Chris Perry RB 22 2004 2008 0 0 0 9 35 9 Michigan College Stats
36 2004 2 49 Keiwan Ratliff DB 23 2004 2010 0 0 0 9 76 12 Florida College Stats
37 2004 2 56 Madieu Williams DB 22 2004 2012 0 0 7 34 119 102 Maryland College Stats
38 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 2004 2017 0 3 12 108 182 181 USC College Stats
39 2003 2 33 Eric Steinbach G 23 2003 2010 0 0 8 44 125 124 Iowa College Stats
40 2002 1 10 Levi Jones T 23 2002 2009 0 0 7 47 103 97 Arizona St.
41 2002 2 41 Lamont Thompson DB 24 2002 2007 0 0 3 17 83 45 Washington St. College Stats
42 2001 1 4 Justin Smith DE 21 2001 2014 1 5 14 99 221 217 Missouri
43 2001 2 36 Chad Johnson WR 23 2001 2011 2 6 9 87 166 135 Oregon St. College Stats
44 2000 1 4 Peter Warrick WR 23 2000 2005 0 0 4 28 79 60 Florida St. College Stats
45 2000 2 34 Mark Roman DB


29 of the 45 picks were used on offensive players  64% of them.

There are plenty of high picks on offensive linemen though and that does make the most sense to me.

eta - I would need to check on this but I think the Bengals have used more high picks on skill offensive players than most teams have.

 
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QuizGuy66 said:
Because that is literally all they have.  Personally hoping people go QB-crazy and it ends up Sewell.

-QG
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See, I don't think Sewell makes sense either. He's obviously better that Williams, but enough to justify picking him over another spot that would improve the team? I suppose I buy it if they think Williams can play the right side. What they should really do is drop down a few spots and take Rayshawn Slater from NWestern. Or even further and look at Davis from OSU or Vera-Tucker from USC. Then take a center in round two.

 
And perhaps they will - assuming you have a team there willing to make an acceptable offer.  All in all I think 5 is a good spot to be in right now - they'll have options.

-QG

 
Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2021 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

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2) Ja'Marr Chase, WR

School: LSU | Year: Junior

Chase is a dominant player on tape. He lined up both outside and in the slot at LSU. He defeats press coverage with a combination of foot quickness and upper-body strength. He creates separation off the line of scrimmage and he can also find another gear when the ball is in the air. He is a clean route runner. He won't gear down in traffic and has very strong hands to pluck and play through contact. He attacks 50/50 balls and consistently wins. Chase is at his best after the catch. He routinely breaks tackles and can make defenders miss, too. He did have a couple drops when the ball was on his back hip but I have no concerns about his hands. Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin.
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NFL.com draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah describes LSU WR Ja'Marr Chase as "a faster version" of former NFL wideout Anquan Boldin. 

Chase (6'0/208), who opted out of the 2020 season due to COVID-19 concerns, is ranked second on Jeremiah's list of the top-50 prospects in this draft class. "Chase is at his best after the catch. He routinely breaks tackles and can make defenders miss, too," Jeremiah wrote. "He did have a couple drops when the ball was on his back hip but I have no concerns about his hands. Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin." Sitting out won't negatively impact the 2019 Biletnikoff Award winner's draft prospects, as Chase is expected by many to be the first wideout off of the board this spring. 

SOURCE: NFL.com

Feb 24, 2021, 5:47 PM ET
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Mike Tannenbaum @RealTannenbaum

Ja’Marr Chase — @Real10jayy__ — is my #1 WR in this class due to his pro-ready play style. He is able to adjust and fight through tight coverage, make the catch (with strong hands) and continue up field 

He is listed at about 6’0-6’1 but plays far larger
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https://twitter.com/realtannenbaum/status/1366393115406434310?s=21
 

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer

If you don't remember Ja'Marr Chase because he didn't play last year, consider this: Vikings WR Justin Jefferson was the only player to take OROY votes away from Justin Herbert this year, and Jefferson was a clear No. 2 to Chase on LSU's 2019 title team.
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https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/1366399698672766976?s=21

 
I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)

 
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JohnnyU said:
I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)
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Yeah it will be hard. I think Chase can really be the one biggest difference maker in this WR class. RB scarcity is such a big tiebreaker though. Especially when most owners are pretty strong at WR. I'm really kind of hoping that he goes 1.01 in some spots where I have either of the next 3 picks. Everyone needs RB though and Chase is likely to be there as you say. In many, many instances at least.

 
NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah says drafting this receiver would be a home run for Lions

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If you ask Daniel Jeremiah, the former scout and current NFL Network draft analyst, the Lions couldn't go wrong with any of the top receiving options at that spot, but there's one who stands out above the rest. 

"To me, it would be Ja'Marr Chase, just because of everything he can do," Jeremiah said. "I think a lot of time when you're watching receivers, you see guys that can win with separation and quickness and you see guys that can win with physicality and kind of contested catches. When you watch him at LSU in 2019, you see examples of both, where he can separate from people off the line of scrimmage, he can separate the top of his route, he plays big to go up and get the football, and then after the catch, he gives you that strength and physicality to break tackles.

"He is, to me, the best receiver in the draft," Jeremiah said. "I can't imagine he would be there, but man, that would be a home run pick for the Lions if he was."

As part of Jeremiah's top-50 prospect rankings, posted on NFL.com last month, he had Chase as No. 2 overall, behind only Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence. 

"Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin," Daniel wrote. 

Like many top prospects, Chase opted out of the 2020 season. In 2019, as part of LSU's national championship team, he was named the Biletnikoff Award winner as the country's best receiver, catching 84 passes for 1,780 yards and 20 touchdowns. 
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An unnamed coach told Bruce Feldman of The Athletic that LSU WR Ja'Marr Chase "will have to get better on press-releases" in order to excel at the next level. 

Chase (6'0/208) is considered by more than a few NFL types to be the best wide receiver in this draft class, even though he opted out of the 2020 season due to COVID-19 concerns. With that being the case, it's likely that the 2019 Biletnikoff Award winner will be off the board within the first five picks this spring. But there are still areas in which Chase will need to improve if he's to be a star in the NFL. "People don’t realize just how strong he is. His lower body’s built like a running back’s," the coach told Feldman. "He plays like a 4.4 guy, and he contorts his body to make a lot of difficult catches. I think from a technique standpoint, he can and will have to get better on press-releases as he faces stronger guys, and he’ll have to improve on his true route-running ability."

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Mar 10, 2021, 1:59 PM ET
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JohnnyU said:
I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)
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I thought 1.2 was the choice between Williams and Chase

 
IHEARTFF said:
I thought 1.2 was the choice between Williams and Chase
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Actually the consensus I've seen in mock drafts is 1) Harris, 2) Etienne or Chase, 3) Chase or Etienne, 4) Williams.   If Williams goes 1.2 I suspect I'll have my choice between Etienne or Chase.  In that scenario I would take either Chase or Pitts (1.5 ppr league for TEs) and pass on Etienne, even though I have a huge hole at RB.

 
Chase ran a 4.38 on his first attempt.

41” vertical 

11’ broad jump

7.0  3 cone

23 reps of 225

3.98 20 yd shuttle 

Yeah, he’s nasty!

 
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JohnnyU said:
I didn't think he was 4.38 fast.  Home cooking?
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I mean. Are we going to try and parse how his home cooking might be more or less tasty than the other prospects home cooking? I'm not. At some point you have to just point to the scoreboard and say the kid man is fast. 

 
barackdhouse said:
I mean. Are we going to try and parse how his home cooking might be more or less tasty than the other prospects home cooking? I'm not. At some point you have to just point to the scoreboard and say the kid man is fast. 
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Of all the things I love about Chase long speed wasn't one of them.  I had him WR1 also.  You can't trust these times anymore than you can trust Josh Gordon growing your pot.

 
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