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WR Jameson Williams, DET (9 Viewers)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think the first team ever with two 1000 yard receivers and two 1000 yard rushers
Except David Montgomery missed 3 plus games and did not make it. He ended with 775.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
They may be counting total yards from scrimmage.
Deamon
Footballguy
Yet you used "WR2" in terms of Fantasy production.
Ends the year WR27 Points per game. Not one of the best fantasy WR2's at all.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
WR17 in our bonus format (total points)
season long basis:
WR22 in full PPR
WR19 in half PPR
WR13 in standard
PPG basis (8 g minimum)
WR24 in full PPR
WR19 in half PPR
WR15 in standard
I’m starting to wonder if you’re arguing in good faith. It’s almost as if you just love trolling mixed up Jon & don’t even care if you’re making a cogent argument.
Deamon
Footballguy
You also keep adjusting your results based on what works best for your argument. Bonus leagues we aren't going by, are far from the standard, yet you keep posting about your rules. And then in PPG, you're adding 8 games minimum.
Overall he was WR22 or WR27 whichever way you want to look at it. Neither is "one of the best WR2's in the league". THAT is the remark I am refuting, as he keeps calling him one of the best fantasy WRs this year which he was not.
Deamon
Footballguy
Yep exactly. And he also also said in preseason that he could see him going in round 3 this year! Now that's a big miss.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I gave 7 different results to demonstrate in no league format was he WR27 - unless you think a guy playing 3 or 7 games can be more valuable than a guy who played 15
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
trolls gonna troll
BassNBrew
Footballguy
WR46 in my league. 2x points during the deer season. In the neighborhood of Leggette, Wandale, Slayton, McCloud who were waiver wire guys. Pretty much a bust in my league.
Damn, I forgot about deer leagues.
He has pretty much mixed up and lied or grossly exaggerated my position a dozen times over. Trolling.
Chaka
Footballguy
WR23 total points in our league, GB. Not sure how to parse by PPG on the Sleeper website.
WR19 PPG & WR20 in total points in my main PPR league.
Only one off where I thought he could finish at the beginning of the year.
Chaka
Footballguy
Come on, now. You both seem to enjoy trolling each other. We are just the innocents caught in the crossfire.
Chaka
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh yeah it was scrimmage yards
Instead, can you order a Jamo jersey for a loved one and indoctrinate them into a lifetime of torment of being a Lions fan.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
You'd think they'd be popular in Michigan, maybe just Wisconsin.
No way. ARSB has the ability to get open in tight coverage, catch any ball, and is a tough runner after the catch. ARSB talents fit the style of play Goff is great at. Jamo is more the big play over the top guy, which Goff is only OK at. Jamo compliments and opens uo what they have in LaPorta and ARSB as well as the running game. Jamos numbers can go up, but ARSB will be the target guy with around 100 catches
Jamo is at more risk of not being resigned when his contract comes up because he costs too much than taking over as the #1.
Deamon
Footballguy
how WR19 and 20?WR23 total points in our league, GB. Not sure how to parse by PPG on the Sleeper website.
WR19 PPG & WR20 in total points in my main PPR league.
Only one off where I thought he could finish at the beginning of the year.
Deamon
Footballguy
If you don't remember, I was the closest to Jamo's real projections than anyone here.
I called 205, you called 280. He finished at 212.
I made numerous predictions, including his floor and his ceilings and expected productions. You keep cherry-picking and mistating/mischaractering what I predicted and said. I am really done with your trolling. Nobody cares. My point was always that the FF community was vastly underestimating Jamo which was 9/10 round WR50 plus. He was far far better than his consensus ADP. That is it. End of discussion.
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure what you're asking.how WR19 and 20?WR23 total points in our league, GB. Not sure how to parse by PPG on the Sleeper website.
WR19 PPG & WR20 in total points in my main PPR league.
Only one off where I thought he could finish at the beginning of the year.
WR19 in PPG and WR20 in total points. That's just my main PPR leagues.
In the SP league you and I play in he is WR23 in total points. You should know, you drafted him.
Not sure where he landed in PPG in that league. I don't see a sort option for PPG.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya, wondering if your league had other special scoring as in my ppr leagues he wasn't as high.Not sure what you're asking.how WR19 and 20?WR23 total points in our league, GB. Not sure how to parse by PPG on the Sleeper website.
WR19 PPG & WR20 in total points in my main PPR league.
Only one off where I thought he could finish at the beginning of the year.
WR19 in PPG and WR20 in total points. That's just my main PPR leagues.
In the SP league you and I play in he is WR23 in total points. You should know, you drafted him.
Not sure where he landed in PPG in that league. I don't see a sort option for PPG.
Deamon
Footballguy
Im not trolling at all, just showing that your projections were greatly overrated this year.
Doesn't have to do with what the community had him at, that's not relevant to my point. I fully agree he was a steal at wr50... hence why I drafted him round 9 almost everywhere and owned him in 115+ leagues. As you know, I was as on board with him outperforming his adp as anyone here, just was realistic (and accurate) when I projected him at 205 ppr points this year.
/end
Chaka
Footballguy
Nope. Full PPR, which doesn't favor a WR like Williams. Offset by 12 bonus points, combined, for the distance of five of his TDs.Ya, wondering if your league had other special scoring as in my ppr leagues he wasn't as high.Not sure what you're asking.how WR19 and 20?WR23 total points in our league, GB. Not sure how to parse by PPG on the Sleeper website.
WR19 PPG & WR20 in total points in my main PPR league.
Only one off where I thought he could finish at the beginning of the year.
WR19 in PPG and WR20 in total points. That's just my main PPR leagues.
In the SP league you and I play in he is WR23 in total points. You should know, you drafted him.
Not sure where he landed in PPG in that league. I don't see a sort option for PPG.
kutta
Footballguy
My brother, we are putting the torment in the past! 58 years for me - and I’m letting it go!
How about I donate to @bigbottom’s charity- Chance for Hope?
That would be awesome
Briefcase you lie constantly about what I said. My per game numbers were dead on.
Deamon
Footballguy
Lollll straight delusional.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We had a guy in our fraternity who was a really nice, sweet guy who - when he got really drunk - liked to whip it out. It was honestly impressive, I could understand why the guy was proud of himself.
How wide is the side bumper of a pool table? Flaccid, it covered the entire side and laid on the felt. The girls would be screaming and laughing, the guys would turn away shaking their head. You'd see ten people pouring out of the basement into the kitchen, falling over, slapping each other. "What happened." Walters "Oh, no....did he pull it out again?" Incredibly awkward.
I haven't thought about that guy in 30 years, but this thread reminds me of him.
How wide is the side bumper of a pool table? Flaccid, it covered the entire side and laid on the felt. The girls would be screaming and laughing, the guys would turn away shaking their head. You'd see ten people pouring out of the basement into the kitchen, falling over, slapping each other. "What happened." Walters "Oh, no....did he pull it out again?" Incredibly awkward.
I haven't thought about that guy in 30 years, but this thread reminds me of him.
kutta
Footballguy
Done!
I donated $250 and mentioned you and our bet on the donation form.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
‘I love that kid’: Lions’ patience pays off with Jameson Williams helping take offense to historic new heights
Justin Rogers | DFN
Allen Park — Jameson Williams has been a test of patience in an industry that rarely allows one.
First, the Lions had to wait for him to heal. They knew that when they drafted him. Then they had to wait for him to mature, more than once, if we're being honest. They also anticipated that when they drafted him.
But the franchise's willingness to shepherd him through to the other side — when others might not have been so understanding — is paying rewards. And after a record-setting season for the team's offense, we can safely point to the emergence of Williams as an X factor worthy of patience and worth the wait.
"It's been a learning experience for everybody, I think," offensive coordinator Ben Johnson said late last month. "Since he got in the building here, it's been all of us coaches, coach (Dan) Campbell, myself, (wide receivers coach Antwaan Randle) El, all of us have been on board trying to have him understand the expectations and what we really need, what Jared (Goff) needs, what the O-line needs, what we all need for this whole thing to work.
"It's taken a little bit of time, but it's really taken off now at this point," Johnson continued. "He's very detailed and very smart. Very smart. And that might go unnoticed, but you say something to him, you coach him, and it hits him. He understands it, and I think it's because he's so smart. He's able to really grasp what we're trying to do."
Some delays were inevitable. Others, as Campbell put it, were self-inflicted. When Williams arrived in Detroit, he spent most of his rookie season rehabbing the ACL he tore in January. Once medically cleared, he was essentially a non-factor outside of a couple of flashes. He caught just one of nine targets — a 41-yard bomb for a touchdown — and added a 40-yard run. At the very least, he drove home the big-play potential the Lions envisioned when they traded up 20 spots in the first round to select him No. 12 overall.
Fully healthy coming into his second season, everyone expected things to take off. Instead, that rocket was grounded by a six-game suspension to start the year for violating the league's gambling policy. That was eventually reduced to a four-game ban, but the momentum was derailed. A bout of bad hands further anchored his sophomore contributions.
The flashes were still there, but the grand vision remained more of a mirage. In 12 games, Williams caught 24 balls yet never topped 70 yards. Halfway through his rookie contract, the production wasn't matching the investment.
But by the end of the season, the messaging was sinking in, the organization's culture penetrating his impressionable mind. And, at some point down the stretch, the lightbulb came on.
"I love that kid because he's had to endure a lot, some of it is his own doing. He knows that and that's what I appreciate is he's — it took him a minute to buy into what we were doing,"
Campbell said. "He can be a little hard-headed, and it's also why you love him. It's why I love him. But he's learned along the way and he's growing. Honestly, you want to say the best thing he's done is when he finally dropped the armor and he endeared himself to his teammates.
"He became a part of the team and that took place last year," Campbell said. "Towards the end of last year, you could start to feel it. And it's only gotten better and better and better, and every one of these (things) that's happened, he's grown. He's learning from it, and I love where he's at. I really do, I'm proud of him. … I said this last year, he's part of the herd now. He's part of the stock and that's the best thing ever."
Williams went into this past offseason with enhanced focus and intent. He didn't have to make a show of the work he put in because the results were recognizable. More than anywhere else, you could see it in his budding chemistry with Goff, resulting in a surge in deep ball production through OTAs and training camp.
And that's carried into the regular season. Williams' six receptions of 40 or more yards tied for fourth in the NFL this season, propelling him to the meaningful milestone of 1,000 yards on the year.
"It meant a lot," Williams said this week. "Shoutout to my coaches for forcing that on me," Williams said. "I appreciate them a lot for that. It was huge to me, and my people, and my goals."
From a personnel standpoint, very little changed about Detroit's offense this season. They swapped out Jonah Jackson for Kevin Zeitler along the offensive line, and Tim Patrick was eventually tabbed to replace Josh Reynolds as the team's third starting receiver. That continuity makes it even easier to point to Williams' development as the extra oomph that elevated them from one of the league's best offenses the past couple of years to one of the best in league history, setting franchise records for points, yards and touchdowns in 2024.
"He's provided an element to our offense that we hadn't really had previously," Goff said. "It's nice. It's really good what he's done and being able to get better every week. …His maturity has grown and he pushes himself really hard. He really does, and he holds himself to a high standard and he wants to get better and he wants to improve. He's constantly communicating with me. It's a lot of fun to work with him and when he makes plays like that, you see all the work pay off and he'll just continue to get better."
What's Williams' ceiling? No one can say. He delivered three 100-yard games this season and found the end zone eight times. There were weeks when the game plan flowed through him and others when he blended into the background. Still, his consistency unquestionably improved as the season went on. He had five or more catches in six of the final seven games and at least 50 receiving yards in seven of the final nine.
"I don't know if you can put a number on the limit," Johnson said. "But I know he's surrounded by some really good players and when you get a bunch of talented guys together, they can do some really special things."
Justin Rogers | DFN
Allen Park — Jameson Williams has been a test of patience in an industry that rarely allows one.
First, the Lions had to wait for him to heal. They knew that when they drafted him. Then they had to wait for him to mature, more than once, if we're being honest. They also anticipated that when they drafted him.
But the franchise's willingness to shepherd him through to the other side — when others might not have been so understanding — is paying rewards. And after a record-setting season for the team's offense, we can safely point to the emergence of Williams as an X factor worthy of patience and worth the wait.
"It's been a learning experience for everybody, I think," offensive coordinator Ben Johnson said late last month. "Since he got in the building here, it's been all of us coaches, coach (Dan) Campbell, myself, (wide receivers coach Antwaan Randle) El, all of us have been on board trying to have him understand the expectations and what we really need, what Jared (Goff) needs, what the O-line needs, what we all need for this whole thing to work.
"It's taken a little bit of time, but it's really taken off now at this point," Johnson continued. "He's very detailed and very smart. Very smart. And that might go unnoticed, but you say something to him, you coach him, and it hits him. He understands it, and I think it's because he's so smart. He's able to really grasp what we're trying to do."
Some delays were inevitable. Others, as Campbell put it, were self-inflicted. When Williams arrived in Detroit, he spent most of his rookie season rehabbing the ACL he tore in January. Once medically cleared, he was essentially a non-factor outside of a couple of flashes. He caught just one of nine targets — a 41-yard bomb for a touchdown — and added a 40-yard run. At the very least, he drove home the big-play potential the Lions envisioned when they traded up 20 spots in the first round to select him No. 12 overall.
Fully healthy coming into his second season, everyone expected things to take off. Instead, that rocket was grounded by a six-game suspension to start the year for violating the league's gambling policy. That was eventually reduced to a four-game ban, but the momentum was derailed. A bout of bad hands further anchored his sophomore contributions.
The flashes were still there, but the grand vision remained more of a mirage. In 12 games, Williams caught 24 balls yet never topped 70 yards. Halfway through his rookie contract, the production wasn't matching the investment.
But by the end of the season, the messaging was sinking in, the organization's culture penetrating his impressionable mind. And, at some point down the stretch, the lightbulb came on.
"I love that kid because he's had to endure a lot, some of it is his own doing. He knows that and that's what I appreciate is he's — it took him a minute to buy into what we were doing,"
Campbell said. "He can be a little hard-headed, and it's also why you love him. It's why I love him. But he's learned along the way and he's growing. Honestly, you want to say the best thing he's done is when he finally dropped the armor and he endeared himself to his teammates.
"He became a part of the team and that took place last year," Campbell said. "Towards the end of last year, you could start to feel it. And it's only gotten better and better and better, and every one of these (things) that's happened, he's grown. He's learning from it, and I love where he's at. I really do, I'm proud of him. … I said this last year, he's part of the herd now. He's part of the stock and that's the best thing ever."
Williams went into this past offseason with enhanced focus and intent. He didn't have to make a show of the work he put in because the results were recognizable. More than anywhere else, you could see it in his budding chemistry with Goff, resulting in a surge in deep ball production through OTAs and training camp.
And that's carried into the regular season. Williams' six receptions of 40 or more yards tied for fourth in the NFL this season, propelling him to the meaningful milestone of 1,000 yards on the year.
"It meant a lot," Williams said this week. "Shoutout to my coaches for forcing that on me," Williams said. "I appreciate them a lot for that. It was huge to me, and my people, and my goals."
From a personnel standpoint, very little changed about Detroit's offense this season. They swapped out Jonah Jackson for Kevin Zeitler along the offensive line, and Tim Patrick was eventually tabbed to replace Josh Reynolds as the team's third starting receiver. That continuity makes it even easier to point to Williams' development as the extra oomph that elevated them from one of the league's best offenses the past couple of years to one of the best in league history, setting franchise records for points, yards and touchdowns in 2024.
"He's provided an element to our offense that we hadn't really had previously," Goff said. "It's nice. It's really good what he's done and being able to get better every week. …His maturity has grown and he pushes himself really hard. He really does, and he holds himself to a high standard and he wants to get better and he wants to improve. He's constantly communicating with me. It's a lot of fun to work with him and when he makes plays like that, you see all the work pay off and he'll just continue to get better."
What's Williams' ceiling? No one can say. He delivered three 100-yard games this season and found the end zone eight times. There were weeks when the game plan flowed through him and others when he blended into the background. Still, his consistency unquestionably improved as the season went on. He had five or more catches in six of the final seven games and at least 50 receiving yards in seven of the final nine.
"I don't know if you can put a number on the limit," Johnson said. "But I know he's surrounded by some really good players and when you get a bunch of talented guys together, they can do some really special things."
Chaka
Footballguy
If they can keep him away from his phone and keep him away from guns and, keep him away from the casinos in Windsor and, maybe keep him from doing childish, lewd penalty inducing TD celebrations and, keep him from being a knucklehead in general then it may actually happen.
eighsse2
Footballguy
So you're saying there's a chance!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Here are the actual vs my predicted results.
584 total targets. I estimated between 570 and 600.
Amon-Ra 156 v 141
LaPorta 83 v 114
Jameson 91 v 100
Other WRs 73 v 68
Other TEs 17 v 25
All RBs 110 v 107
Jameson 58 / 1001 / 7 vs 65 / 975 / 5 and in FFPC finished as WR23 vs my prediction of WR22.
- and had 11 carries for 61 yards and 1 TD vs 20 / 140 / 1
He had a 64% catch rate vs the 65% I used in my predictions.
He finished with 100.1 + 58 + 42 + 6.1 + 6 = 212.2 and I predicted 212.5 so yeah just gonna bang my chest a lil for those who said I was crazy for fading LaPorta and citing his likely lower target share as a main reason for Jamo to have this path. I said it repeatedly and few even acknowledged it.
He didn't need the Lions to have a historic season, I was right about that.
There was room for him to get to 100 targets without decimating Amon-Ra, I was right about that.
He hit my floor predictions, so the question of whether he can hit the ceiling projections I made is still open but if you look at those projections now, do they seem so nutty?
I think this guy is just getting started. He kind of reminds me of Randy Moss which is amazing considered his prior injury history. He's in that tier with Tyreek Hill where you know he's going to run past you and what happens? He runs past you anyways.
He's going to have a year where he connects on 6-8 bomb touchdowns and is just going to be a fantasy cheatcode. Love him as my WR2 this year in an format. He'll have 4 pts for you and then in the 4th quarter he goes off for a 65 yard TD. Game breaking ability. Real life and NFL. Not shifty, but explosive as hell.
He's going to have a year where he connects on 6-8 bomb touchdowns and is just going to be a fantasy cheatcode. Love him as my WR2 this year in an format. He'll have 4 pts for you and then in the 4th quarter he goes off for a 65 yard TD. Game breaking ability. Real life and NFL. Not shifty, but explosive as hell.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Oh man he finished one spot ahead of D Smith, but I don't remember who I made the sidebet with!!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yes. And they will be just as accurate as well. /s
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Great call on Jameson vs LaPorta. This discussion didn’t get me confident enough to trade away LaPorta (though I wish I had) but it WAS enough to keep me from overpaying to get LaPorta in a different league. Well done.
