Could explain the Hackett hiring from last year.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
WR Jerry Jeudy, CLE (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Faust
- Start date
Soulfly3
Footballguy
yes, yes I am.
zamboni
Footballguy
I care, but just not sure he'll break out further. He's got the talent, but we don't know how Payton will design the offense and it's a pretty crowded WR group.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
it is, but he's the best of the bunch by a good margin (talent wise)... and of end of last season is any indicator, he found a groove w his qb
zamboni
Footballguy
Perhaps, although Sutton, while clearly not the dominant guy we saw before his ACL, and Patrick (also coming off an ACL) are still there, as is Hamler and the new toy in Marvin Mims (Payton's very first draft pick). Alas, targets are earned and maybe Jeudy will continue to separate himself from the pack.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I am a not a believer in Jeudy and he represents the line between good receivers I want and ones I don’t. I think he has some traits and opportunity, but looking at him can’t help but see a guy with no specific calling card. He’s not a contested catch artist, he’s just fine. He’s not a speed demon, he’s just fine. He’s not a technician, he’s just fine.
And he’s NOT some incredible route runner…he wastes so much time and effort being extra with his footwork. He *could* be a master separator if he toned it down a bit and if he ever becomes a real WR1/WR2 fantasy asset, it will be because he finally learned this and starts doing less. That’s the question he needs to answer and I’m fairly sure it’s what Payton will be trying to hammer into his brain. There’s comically bad tape of him dancing around out there and majorly throwing off timing with the QB and I suspect it’s why he’s not become the focal point of the offense to date.
Personally I don’t see it happening. And even if it does, his ceiling isn’t what I think folks hope it is. That offense is going to be mucky as long as Wilson is there and there’s a lot of mucky competition for targets. There’s room for an alpha, no doubt, but that’s never going to be Jeudy. Looking back he’s a prospect I had a really difficult time with coming out of school and three years later it’s no different. If he’s ever going to ascend though, it needs to happen this year.
Also I really can’t shake the thought that he’s Robert Griffin playing wide receiver. He’s just….odd.
All in my opinion, of course.
And he’s NOT some incredible route runner…he wastes so much time and effort being extra with his footwork. He *could* be a master separator if he toned it down a bit and if he ever becomes a real WR1/WR2 fantasy asset, it will be because he finally learned this and starts doing less. That’s the question he needs to answer and I’m fairly sure it’s what Payton will be trying to hammer into his brain. There’s comically bad tape of him dancing around out there and majorly throwing off timing with the QB and I suspect it’s why he’s not become the focal point of the offense to date.
Personally I don’t see it happening. And even if it does, his ceiling isn’t what I think folks hope it is. That offense is going to be mucky as long as Wilson is there and there’s a lot of mucky competition for targets. There’s room for an alpha, no doubt, but that’s never going to be Jeudy. Looking back he’s a prospect I had a really difficult time with coming out of school and three years later it’s no different. If he’s ever going to ascend though, it needs to happen this year.
Also I really can’t shake the thought that he’s Robert Griffin playing wide receiver. He’s just….odd.
All in my opinion, of course.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Hmmm, I am having a disconnect with your assessment. Here is the scouting report for Jeudy coming out of college
Overview
Mixes tight, crisp route-running with impressive top-end speed to keep secondaries on eggshells throughout the game. Jeudy is high-cut and a little leggy in his press release and short-area movements, but fluid hips and above-average agility prevent any stagnation. He's a linear route specialist with a great feel for leveraging and then stemming defenders away from his food on intermediate and deep passes. The hands need work and contested catches will be much more challenging against bigger, faster matchups across from him. Jeudy can play inside or outside but offers a unique ability to both widen or lengthen the field from the slot. His transition from deep threat to volume target in 2019 should help sell teams on his ability to become a pro-Bowl caliber WR1 who can help his offense on all three levels.
I confess that I haven’t done a deep dive on Jeudy’s 2022 tape, but what I did see suggested his route running to be very good.
I like Jeudy as a solid WR2. He seems like the kind of WR Payton will feature. Maybe I am missing something.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree I’m a little high on him which is odd because I’ve been generally fading him until this year.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I would be very hesitant to rank Jeudy north of WR20 for two reasons:
1) Run-Focused Attack Therefore Limited Targets- S. Payton is a Parcells descendant and has stated ad nauseum publicly about strengthening the run game, backed by specific actions such as OL-improvements whose relative strengths are in the running game (Powers, McGlinchey). Combine that with logical sense that R. Wilson is light years a better QB relying on play-action vs. dropback passer.
And with a stout defense already in place, the Broncos likely won't be playing from behind a lot and will not abandon the run nearly as quickly as last year. All that translates to maybe 3,600-3,900 total yds passing for Wilson IMO and therefore WR targets overall will be at a premium.
2) Competition for Limited Targets - Denver has both depth and quality in the WR room. Jeudy is arguably the most talented, but not head and shoulders above the others (Sutton/Patrick) by any means. Marvin Mims was the first Bronco ever drafted by Payton, so we know he's going to have a role. Then add TE Dulcich to the mix and two capable backfield pass-catchers in J.Will and Perine.
IMO WR15-20 should be a lock for 85-1050-6 w/ upside. Not enough confidence Jeudy will get there plus he has limited upside relative to more established names in that range who have done it before.
1) Run-Focused Attack Therefore Limited Targets- S. Payton is a Parcells descendant and has stated ad nauseum publicly about strengthening the run game, backed by specific actions such as OL-improvements whose relative strengths are in the running game (Powers, McGlinchey). Combine that with logical sense that R. Wilson is light years a better QB relying on play-action vs. dropback passer.
And with a stout defense already in place, the Broncos likely won't be playing from behind a lot and will not abandon the run nearly as quickly as last year. All that translates to maybe 3,600-3,900 total yds passing for Wilson IMO and therefore WR targets overall will be at a premium.
2) Competition for Limited Targets - Denver has both depth and quality in the WR room. Jeudy is arguably the most talented, but not head and shoulders above the others (Sutton/Patrick) by any means. Marvin Mims was the first Bronco ever drafted by Payton, so we know he's going to have a role. Then add TE Dulcich to the mix and two capable backfield pass-catchers in J.Will and Perine.
IMO WR15-20 should be a lock for 85-1050-6 w/ upside. Not enough confidence Jeudy will get there plus he has limited upside relative to more established names in that range who have done it before.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair points. I’m less concerned about a run focused offense, as so many teams say they want to run the ball more. Whether they can do it due to game script or personnel is another thing.
I do think though that the target competition is a concern. Sutton is nowhere near the alpha we thought he might be, but he’s decent and is a big target. Patrick is also a solid option assuming he’s recovered, and you have to think they want to get Payton’s very first draft pick Mims somewhat involved. Hamler I’m probably less concerned about as he probably is a situational guy designed to take the top off the defense.
At the end of the day, I like Jeudy’s skill set but just see his upside capped by the ecosystem.
2022 - 9
2021 - 10
2020 - 8
2019 - 8
2018 - 13
2017 - 4
Those are the number of WRs that hit those metrics by season. Seems a bit unrealistic to expect that from the 15-20 range of WRs. Within range of outcomes sure, but definitely not a likely outcome, and definitely not a lock
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don’t view any of those WRs a threat. I hope Mims is good, it would only help Jeudy. They need to move away from Sutton. He’s not that good.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
That's because very few WR's play a full season. For example, last year Tee Higgins, Deebo Samuel, Keenan Allen, Cooper Kupp all played less than a full season and finished >WR17 but all would have likely (easily) beaten 85-1050-6.
The only practical way to compare WR's at this point is assuming full season for everyone. That's what my numbers for Jeudy are based on.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
FYI the FBG consensus projection for Jeudy is WR23 at 75/1046/5. So very consistent with what I'm saying in terms of full season estimates.
Insein
Footballguy
Jerry Jeudy grabbed his hamstring and is being carted off.
zamboni
Footballguy
Hopefully just a tweak/pull, but those hamstring injuries are tricky as we've seen.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Bump Mims and Dulcich
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Da Franchise
Footballguy
It’s ALWAYS going to be something with this bozo.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Do players not stretch before practice?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Word yesterday was the entire team looked sluggish and fatigued. It's the end of TC after all. Plus it's been mid 90's the last two weeks so perhaps dehydration played a roleDo players not stretch before practice?
zamboni
Footballguy
This report sounds less ominous, but mostly speculation right now:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t see that at the link you shared.
He’s going for an MRI. Who’s saying grade II or III before the MRI results are posted?
This seems premature.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s much better, thank you.
zamboni
Footballguy
Crack reporting by Rapaport there:
“That puts Jeudy’s status in question for Week 1.”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jeff Mueller is getting roasted on Xwitter for this, in light of the Rappaport report, btw.
FantasyMC
Footballguy
Good, he deserves it then lol
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
just when i thought about drafting him....thank god ....hard pass...
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Was definitely targeting him. That’s a tough one.
dipandglide
Footballguy
JJ is soft. Lots of talent, but not a guy that I want on my team (IRL or fantasy).
Stoneworker
Footballguy
There’s good news on the injury front for Denver Broncos wide receiver Jerry Jeudy.
Jeudy, who suffered a hamstring injury last week, was given an expected recovery timeline of several weeks, but he won’t be placed on injured reserve, general manager George Paton announced Tuesday.
Players who go on IR after the initial 53-man roster is set have to sit out the first four games of the season. By not placing Jeudy on IR, the Broncos are presumably showing that they expect him back before four weeks.
Jeudy, who suffered a hamstring injury last week, was given an expected recovery timeline of several weeks, but he won’t be placed on injured reserve, general manager George Paton announced Tuesday.
Players who go on IR after the initial 53-man roster is set have to sit out the first four games of the season. By not placing Jeudy on IR, the Broncos are presumably showing that they expect him back before four weeks.
FantasyMC
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s outstanding news.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Thirteen days after leaving the field on a cart with a right hamstring injury, Broncos receiver Jerry Jeudy practiced on a limited basis on Wednesday. He appeared to be running at around 75 percent speed as he executed routes during the media viewing period.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Slid last night to wr40, grabbed him at that price…
Last edited:
