I saw something on NFL Network where the Falcons put out a Wallpaper Schedule for fans that pictured all of their “stars” but no Julio. That could mean nothing of course but seems telling - not only is he still arguably the best player on the team currently but he’s one of their all-time greats.menobrown said:He's gone.
I saw that as well. No way they intentionally leave Julio off a team schedule promo like that unless they know he’s not going to be part of the team. Seems almost too obvious though, would love to hear an explanation if he remains a Falcon. Makes me think they’ve already got a June 1st deal in place.I saw something on NFL Network where the Falcons put out a Wallpaper Schedule for fans that pictured all of their “stars” but no Julio. That could mean nothing of course but seems telling - not only is he still arguably the best player on the team currently but he’s one of their all-time greats.
Yes, that’s not an oversight. It’s obviously a measured decision to purposely leave off your biggest star. I’d have to imagine he’s gone.I saw that as well. No way they intentionally leave Julio off a team schedule promo like that unless they know he’s not going to be part of the team. Seems almost too obvious though, would love to hear an explanation if he remains a Falcon.
FWIW they claimed it was in fact an oversight and ended up subbing one of the Matt Ryan photos for Julio. I don't believe them.Yes, that’s not an oversight. It’s obviously a measured decision to purposely leave off your biggest star. I’d have to imagine he’s gone.
It's not an oversight. I worked for the agency handling AT&T's sponsorship of the Cowboys during the period when Zeke had some off-field risk. We had to pivot an entire in-venue experience to feature Witten at the 11th hour, and Zeke was the guy on the Cowboys. Never underestimate how risk-averse teams are regarding PR, or how they contingency plan for the worst case scenarios.I saw that as well. No way they intentionally leave Julio off a team schedule promo like that unless they know he’s not going to be part of the team. Seems almost too obvious though, would love to hear an explanation if he remains a Falcon. Makes me think they’ve already got a June 1st deal in place.
What are you asking for in return?Im trying to move him in dynasty in 2 leagues. Barely a whisper in response.
I havent even got as far as discussing that!What are you asking for in return?
I have him in one league and have had some interest. Problem is I'm win now so I'm banking on a great season and won't get anything in return that could give me that.Im trying to move him in dynasty in 2 leagues. Barely a whisper in response.
Tough time of year to trade an older vet at position of surplus for most fantasy teams. Unless you got to clear roster space I'd just sit on him for now.Im trying to move him in dynasty in 2 leagues. Barely a whisper in response.
Colts could sure use him.
IIRC, Jones has a $15.3M salary for 2021. LV has $8.2M in cap space and TEN $3.6M. The only team on your list that could bring him in without any other roster moves would be LAC, as they have $20M in cap space.Doubt they'd trade him to an NFC team. I'd say the Raiders or Titans. Maybe the Chargers.
Agree with the list.Doubt they'd trade him to an NFC team. I'd say the Raiders or Titans. Maybe the Chargers.
True and not saying it's just nothing to consider but I did look at Raiders the other day and it would be very easy for them to create the cap space. Carr and Ngakoue's stood out as easily being able to create cap space in addition to ability to restructure Julio's deal and spread out some of that hit since he's down to about 2/$23 in 22/23.IIRC, Jones has a $15.3M salary for 2021. LV has $8.2M in cap space and TEN $3.6M. The only team on your list that could bring him in without any other roster moves would be LAC, as they have $20M in cap space.
I never know who knows the rules and requirements for cap space and trading around here, so forgive me if you already are aware. But teams have to remain under the cap at the exact moment they complete a trade. So they would have to fit the entirety of Jones' salary at the time they acquired him. Sure, they could reduce his cap hit after they traded for him, but that does not change the requirement that they would need $15M+ in cap space at the time they brought him in (or whatever his salary was at the time they signed off on the trade).Agree with the list.
True and not saying it's just nothing to consider but I did look at Raiders the other day and it would be very easy for them to create the cap space. Carr and Ngakoue's stood out as easily being able to create cap space in addition to ability to restructure Julio's deal and spread out some of that hit since he's down to about 2/$23 in 22/23.
I'm for sure not one of those people who say the cap does not matter but they can get it done if they want, have not looked at other teams.
I think teams are so creative with the cap nowadays we really have no concept of what a team really can or can't do.I never know who knows the rules and requirements for cap space and trading around here, so forgive me if you already are aware. But teams have to remain under the cap at the exact moment they complete a trade. So they would have to fit the entirety of Jones' salary at the time they acquired him. Sure, they could reduce his cap hit after they traded for him, but that does not change the requirement that they would need $15M+ in cap space at the time they brought him in (or whatever his salary was at the time they signed off on the trade).
Another option as a possibility is the acquiring team could get the Falcons to convert some of Jones' salary to a bonus and have them pay some of the money Jones is due this year. That just happened with DEN and CAR with Bridgewater. However, whatever portion the Falcons pay they have to eat as a cap hit.
I'm not saying that trading for Jones is a non-starter . . . only that other things / moves would have to happen first to make things work before a trade could be completed for many teams. That being said, I would guess that at least half the league would struggle to find ways to get Jones under the cap without major rework of contracts or player cuts.
Agreed that teams can get creative on what they try to do, but the Rams have not won a SB and have had some cap flexibility issues because of some of the things they have done. For example, they are eating $24.7M against the cap this season in dead money from trading Goff . . . the largest single season cap write off in league history. They also took the second biggest dead cap hit in league history when they ate $21.8M for moving Brandin Cooks.I think teams are so creative with the cap nowadays we really have no concept of what a team really can or can't do.
The Rams come to mind with all the capologists telling us they were only going to be able to ink long term deals for like 2-3 out of Goff/Donald/Gurley/Kupp/Woods. Then they ended up not only signing all five of them but also trading for Jalen Ramsey and giving him a huge deal on top of all that.
I've felt that way up until I though he'd get traded and consequently he's been one of my most often drafted redraft players so far this year in range for mid 4th to early 5th.I know everyone is down on him in dynasty (and I think that's 100% justified) but in a PPR redraft, any reason he shouldn't still be considered more valuable than say Evans, Godwin, or Lamb for example?
Because they are the most stable franchise in the NFL and after going 7-9 with a very subpar roster (i.e. almost any other Coach would have been 3-13) they have totally remade their roster and will be a team that will be able to play with anyone next year...also (and this part I don't understand) it appears Julio would not playing with Cam...until they have a succession of subpar years or BB is not on the sideline they will still remain attractive to players as was seen by this offseason.Just curious, why does he want to play for the Patriots? It's not like these are the Patriots of yesteryear.
I would just think at this stage of his career he would want to play for a team that has a real chance at a Super Bowl.Because they are the most stable franchise in the NFL and after going 7-9 with a very subpar roster (i.e. almost any other Coach would have been 3-13) they have totally remade their roster and will be a team that will be able to play with anyone next year...also (and this part I don't understand) it appears Julio would not playing with Cam...until they have a succession of subpar years or BB is not on the sideline they will still remain attractive to players as was seen by this offseason.
Put Julio on the Pats and if Mac Jones becomes the real deal (both big ifs) they become Super Bowl contenders real fast.I would just think at this stage of his career he would want to play for a team that has a real chance at a Super Bowl.
Of course you would think that being a Pats fan, and I respect it, but I don't see it. Yes, they could be better, but I don't see them sniffing the Super Bowl in 2021.Put Julio on the Pats and if Mac Jones becomes the real deal (both big ifs) they become Super Bowl contenders real fast.
Has nothing to do with being a homer (I was pretty adamant last season was not gonna be pretty with that roster)...has to do what I have seen BB do the past 20 years...they have added a ton of talent this offseason and if he can get legit QB play they will be a contender...obviously not at the level they were with Brady but more than capable of beating anyone in one game.Of course you would think that being a Pats fan, and I respect it, but I don't see it. Yes, they could be better, but I don't see them sniffing the Super Bowl in 2021.
The 2021 Patriots with Julio Jones would be substantially more talented on both sides of the ball than the 2018 Patriots team that won the SB. The 2021 version has way more depth across the board. True, they don't have TB12 and that's a huge piece of the puzzle. But they won in 2018 based on coaching and game planning. The offense was Michel and Edelman and not much else (Gronk was mostly a blocker by then).Of course you would think that being a Pats fan, and I respect it, but I don't see it. Yes, they could be better, but I don't see them sniffing the Super Bowl in 2021.
I think he could try and get a trade to a better team if he truly wants to go to a Super Bowl. I'll just leave it at that. I respect your opinion even though I don't see them as Super Bowl contenders in 2021. Stay tuned....Has nothing to do with being a homer (I was pretty adamant last season was not gonna be pretty with that roster)...has to do what I have seen BB do the past 20 years...they have added a ton of talent this offseason and if he can get legit QB play they will be a contender...obviously not at the level they were with Brady but more than capable of beating anyone in one game.
As I said...with Julio and good QB play I think they become one...right now they are a playoff-level team that no one will want to play in the playoffs due to BB...all that being said the how good they will be will ultimately come down to their QB play which has a pretty big swing of potentially good to bad right now.I think he could try and get a trade to a better team if he truly wants to go to a Super Bowl. I'll just leave it at that. I respect your opinion even though I don't see them as Super Bowl contenders in 2021. Stay tuned....
I think it's more than QB play. Yes, the Patriots addressed their weaknesses in free agency, but how many times have we seen this tried the NFL? Dan Snyder anyone? Their DBs may still be a problem and are aging. I think it will take more than signing Jalen Mills. They didn't really address DBs in the draft until the 6th round. Spending a 4th round pick on Stevenson wasn't needed. Also, they had trouble protecting their QBs in 2020 and I don't think they did enough with their FA signings to address it and didn't draft an OL until the 6th round. I really like what they did at TE with the Henry and Smith signings and I also like what they've done with their DL and LB through FA and the draft, so DL play and run stopping should be a lot better in 2021.As I said...with Julio and good QB play I think they become one...right now they are a playoff-level team that no one will want to play in the playoffs due to BB...all that being said the how good they will be will ultimately come down to their QB play which has a pretty big swing of potentially good to bad right now.
I didn't watch a ton of Alabama this year, but Jones is said to have an average arm based on velocity and distance. He is said to be extremely accurate (although I did see an article that even questioned that to a certain extent). I don't know what that would translate to on the field. If he doesn't have the ball speed to hit guys in tight windows but has hit guys in tight windows without having a 100 MPH fastball, then what?Someone refresh my memory: Does Mac Jones have a strong arm? I don't watch much college ball, so I cannot recall how well he throws the deep ball. Leaving aside that Cam is not the passer he used to be, Julio wanting to play for the Patriots and with Cam seems a bit curious since it remains to be seen how long Cam will remain the starter.
What do we mean by "strong"? He has Cousins/Mayfield/Carr level velocity, IMO.Someone refresh my memory: Does Mac Jones have a strong arm? I don't watch much college ball, so I cannot recall how well he throws the deep ball. Leaving aside that Cam is not the passer he used to be, Julio wanting to play for the Patriots and with Cam seems a bit curious since it remains to be seen how long Cam will remain the starter.
Around Boston, the comparison used the most has been Chad Pennington.What do we mean by "strong"? He has Cousins/Mayfield/Carr level velocity, IMO.
I'm far from a QB expert but Mack seems to have a lot more spin on his throws than I remember Pennington having. And CP always kind of had to heave the ball. I don't see that from Mack.Around Boston, the comparison used the most has been Chad Pennington.
From the way it’s been described, Mac Jones is said to be similar to a young CP before his surgeries. Most of us remember the guy who looked like he was struggling to get much on his throws and was more chucking than spinning. The people that were suggesting this had been NFL folks for decades. I don’t remember the young Pennington, so I will just have to take what they say at face value.I'm far from a QB expert but Mack seems to have a lot more spin on his throws than I remember Pennington having. And CP always kind of had to heave the ball. I don't see that from Mack.
That seems good, but not great, If Julio wants to get traded for Cam's deep ball, he could be bummed quickly if Mac Jones is starting by October.What do we mean by "strong"? He has Cousins/Mayfield/Carr level velocity, IMO.
Cam couldn’t even throw 10 yards by the end of the season. He was bouncing throws to receivers that short hopped their ankles. Why anyone would want to play with Cam is a mystery.That seems good, but not great, If Julio wants to get traded for Cam's deep ball, he could be bummed quickly if Mac Jones is starting by October.
The Bills, Dolphins and Jets are better than they were in 2018. NE went 5-1 in division games, losing only in the Miracle in Miami, winning the other games by an average of 20 points. Their path to a SB is not easy, especially with Cam or Jones at QB.I think he could try and get a trade to a better team if he truly wants to go to a Super Bowl. I'll just leave it at that. I respect your opinion even though I don't see them as Super Bowl contenders in 2021. Stay tuned....
Maybe Julio is into fashion...Cam couldn’t even throw 10 yards by the end of the season. He was bouncing throws to receivers that short hopped their ankles. Why anyone would want to play with Cam is a mystery.