WR Marvin Harrison Jr., ARZ (3 Viewers)

[kyoun1e]

AZ has such a sweet schedule down the playoff stretch. All of AZ's offensive starters should be targeted -- Murray, Conner, McBride.

I'm not sure on Harrison though. Not sure he can take advantage. Tempted to buy low post bye, but he's just been too boom/bust and could goose egg you in the playoffs.

 

[efactor]

AZ has such a sweet schedule down the playoff stretch. All of AZ's offensive starters should be targeted -- Murray, Conner, McBride.

I'm not sure on Harrison though. Not sure he can take advantage. Tempted to buy low post bye, but he's just been too boom/bust and could goose egg you in the playoffs.

Traded up to #1 to grab him in dynasty. Then in my infinite wisdom, I decided that a Murray/Harrison stack would be fun to have so traded for Kyler. Has turned into a damn Greek tragedy.

As far as redraft, have zero interest in "buying low". He's just a 3/4 WR at this point

 

[travdogg]

He'll be better against Minnesota than he was against Seattle. Teams that play more man, its Harrison week, teams that play more zone, its McBride week.

 

[BobbyLayne]

He'll be better against Minnesota than he was against Seattle. Teams that play more man, its Harrison week, teams that play more zone, its McBride week.

Minnesota Vikings​

• Man coverage rate: 11.9% (32)
• Zone coverage rate: 80.8% (1)

 

[travdogg]

He'll be better against Minnesota than he was against Seattle. Teams that play more man, its Harrison week, teams that play more zone, its McBride week.

Minnesota Vikings​

• Man coverage rate: 11.9% (32)
• Zone coverage rate: 80.8% (1)

Huh. I would have never guessed that given how blitz happy the Vikings are. I would have thought they have been middle of the pack. Ok, maybe this will also be a McBride week.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Yeah, McBride has been more productive versus zone - which Minnesota plays more than anyone.

Harrison has a better PFF grade vs man than McBride. But it’s not like he has no production facing zone coverage.

vs Man

• Harrison 23 (30.3%) 15-167-3
• McBride 16 (24.2%) 11-105-0

vs Zone

• Harrison 35 (24.6%) 17-320-3
• McBride 43 (19.4%) 38-465-0

 

[BobbyLayne]

He'll be better against Minnesota than he was against Seattle. Teams that play more man, its Harrison week, teams that play more zone, its McBride week.

Minnesota Vikings​

• Man coverage rate: 11.9% (32)
• Zone coverage rate: 80.8% (1)

Huh. I would have never guessed that given how blitz happy the Vikings are. I would have thought they have been middle of the pack. Ok, maybe this will also be a McBride week.

TBF, Y/RR backs up the PFF grade & your original assertion MHJ is better v man & McBride has more success v zone.

vs Man

• Harrison 2.20
• McBride 1.59

vs Zone

• Harrison 1.78
• McBride 2.66

 

[BobbyLayne]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

 

[Blick]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

 

[FGITLOTR]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

absurd that they can’t maximize both.

 

[Blick]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

absurd that they can’t maximize both.

Absurd they can't score a TD against Seattle.

 

[irish eyes]

Such a massive disappointment this year. One freaking game with double digit targets & averages 5 per game rest of the games. It's pitiful and I can't start him.

 

[efactor]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

absurd that they can’t maximize both.

Totally agree. Harrison's high in catches this year is a whopping 6 and has double digit targets only once. Averaging 3 catches a game.

Watching Kyler play is like watching those old "Keystone Cops" cartoons. Everything is 3 times normal speed and there seems like there is no plan on where they are going. Tough to watch.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

absurd that they can’t maximize both.

Totally agree. Harrison's high in catches this year is a whopping 6 and has double digit targets only once. Averaging 3 catches a game.

Watching Kyler play is like watching those old "Keystone Cops" cartoons. Everything is 3 times normal speed and there seems like there no plan on where they are going. Tough to watch.

They don’t seem to have a lot of layups. Most offenses you see a speed out or simple dig routes to get easy completions. Nothing seems easy for them.

 

[efactor]

I can’t prove this quantitatively, but watching their games I often feel like MHJ is being used as a sacrificial X versus zone coverage. He runs a post, fly, out n up, or corner, while McBride comes across the vacated area for the layup crosser or in breaker.

McBride’s catch % is a tell of how much they are scheming him open & taking advantage of other teams putting more resources on stopping #18.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy.

absurd that they can’t maximize both.

Totally agree. Harrison's high in catches this year is a whopping 6 and has double digit targets only once. Averaging 3 catches a game.

Watching Kyler play is like watching those old "Keystone Cops" cartoons. Everything is 3 times normal speed and there seems like there no plan on where they are going. Tough to watch.

They don’t seem to have a lot of layups. Most offenses you see a speed out or simple dig routes to get easy completions. Nothing seems easy for them.

That's the feeling I get when I watch them. Kyler is very talented, but just doesn't seem to process and go through reads. Drops back, looks at his first read and then starts running around.

Unfortunately for us Harrison dynasty owners, there probably won't be a QB change soon

 

[SanDawg]

14 team, 5 man keeper, trying like hell to move him for something of value at WR down the stretch here with no luck. I'll be forced to keep him and pray for the best in 25.

 

[Faust]

Tom Pelissero
#Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr. has just 10 catches total over the past three weeks. But Jonathan Gannon tells me: “We’re going to get him going today” against the #Vikings.

Our @NFLGameDay 1-on-1:

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[irish eyes]

Tom Pelissero
#Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr. has just 10 catches total over the past three weeks. But Jonathan Gannon tells me: “We’re going to get him going today” against the #Vikings.

Our @NFLGameDay 1-on-1:

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Yeah they really got him going, 1 damn target. What a great way to utilize a top 5 pick

 

[BobbyLayne]

4 targets 1-4

McBride 7 targets 7-49

all Kyler all the time

 

[irish eyes]

4 targets 1-4

McBride 7 targets 7-49

all Kyler all the time

I can't believe they pay Kyler what they do. He sucks

 

[BlackCrowes]

never seen a team run plays to set up FGs so much. nice draw on 3rd and 7

 

[BobbyLayne]

7 targets 2-23

tbf last one is on MHJ, Kyler threw perfect back shoulder but 18 didn’t get his head around soon enough

 

[BobbyLayne]

never seen a team run plays to set up FGs so much. nice draw on 3rd and 7

1st & 10 from 27 they ran 13 personnel + Dortch

it’s like they predetermined “we’re in FG range let’s get to 4th down” lol

 

[IHEARTFF]

Tom Pelissero
#Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr. has just 10 catches total over the past three weeks. But Jonathan Gannon tells me: “We’re going to get him going today” against the #Vikings.

Our @NFLGameDay 1-on-1:

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Yeah they really got him going, 1 damn target. What a great way to utilize a top 5 pick

Best signal ever

 

[BlackCrowes]

all we needed to do was complain a little

 

[irish eyes]

all we needed to do was complain a little

Always seems to work lol.

 

[BobbyLayne]

all we needed to do was complain a little

figured if I bitched enough….

 

[Faust]

Ray G
Serious question for my fellow #NFLDraft community, what’s the deal with Marvin Harrison Jr.?

From the sports books to the best draft scouts - it feels like this can’t miss prospect is anything but that.

What was missed, how much is on him, how much is on Arizona?

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Ron Stewart
Is it crazy to think hell be really good with time? Hes not that far off the rookie years of Calvin Johnson, D Hop, etc. Larry Fitz only had 58-780-8 ya know? Tough alignment to produce WR1 numbers out of as a high ADOT X with no gimmies

Marathon not a sprint with development sometimes IE OBJ having the best rookie season ever but not being a HOFer

Certainly a case to be made that Nabers profiled as someone that could hit the ground running faster (slot/yac) and shouldve been WR1. But i feel fine viewing MHJ as a blue chip

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Ray G
Based on what we’ve seen, two top-5 all time wrs and and another top-30 at worst is the purest uncut form of hopium on the streets.

just to be clear I never expected him to be that good out the gate to think he was returning top-12 redraft value - pure ****ing insanity. I still think he’s going to be really good - but that high of an outcome is furthest thing from my mind. Let me become the best WR in his class first

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Ron Stewart
Ah ya got me. I just think a B- to B year 1 is still a fine trajectory and even cant miss guys need a year. Could end up being a great class too!

If his career ends up like Amari (good not great for a long time) is that an L?

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[Faust]

Bo Brack
If Seattle is going to key in on Trey McBride and James Conner, Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Jr. must capitalize.

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[Faust]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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[BassNBrew]

So which 2025 rookie is going to get drafted like he’s JJ, Hill, Jefferson, Wilson, etc?

 

[irish eyes]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

ARI seems to run their offense as if they should have drafted Joe Alt instead of Marvin Harrison Jr.

But honestly in the times I've watched him, he seems like a really small big WR. Not a dawg at the point of attack to be sure and he's going to need to get ALOT stronger if he hopes to be a legit WR1.

 

[Faust]

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray on connection with rookie Marvin Harrison Jr.: 'It's not where this team needs it to be'

 

[jobarules]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

Kyler IS terrible but he's better than Drew Lock, Tommy Cutlets, Tim Boyle, and mac Jones and look at the years Thomas and Nabers are having. MhJ is a massive bust.

 

[Blick]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

Kyler IS terrible but he's better than Drew Lock, Tommy Cutlets, Tim Boyle, and mac Jones and look at the years Thomas and Nabers are having. MhJ is a massive bust.

I think there’s a bit of a disparity in targets between Nabers, Thomas, and MHJ. I guess you can say they are earned? Bad QBs with monster targets can still equal good fantasy production.

 

[Gatorade]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

Kyler IS terrible but he's better than Drew Lock, Tommy Cutlets, Tim Boyle, and mac Jones and look at the years Thomas and Nabers are having. MhJ is a massive bust.

How many were saying JSN was a bust at the end of last year ? I wouldn't be too quick to judge MHJ after just one season.

 

[jobarules]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

Kyler IS terrible but he's better than Drew Lock, Tommy Cutlets, Tim Boyle, and mac Jones and look at the years Thomas and Nabers are having. MhJ is a massive bust.

How many were saying JSN was a bust at the end of last year ? I wouldn't be too quick to judge MHJ after just one season.

He was a third wr behind dk and lockett last year. JSN also was a later 1st rd pick, not top 5 and never called generational.

 

[Gatorade]

Kyle Lindemann
Someone needs to say it. Marvin Harrison Jr. isn’t going to reach his full potential with Kyler Murray.

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Couldn't agree more. Kyler Murray is terrible.

Kyler IS terrible but he's better than Drew Lock, Tommy Cutlets, Tim Boyle, and mac Jones and look at the years Thomas and Nabers are having. MhJ is a massive bust.

How many were saying JSN was a bust at the end of last year ? I wouldn't be too quick to judge MHJ after just one season.

He was a third wr behind dk and lockett last year. JSN also was a later 1st rd pick, not top 5 and never called generational.

True, but he was also drafted in fantasy as WR1 and in non-SF leagues drafted #3 overall in most leagues.

 

[jm192]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

 

[IHEARTFF]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

 

[jm192]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

100%.

The talk back in the Summer was "There's a risk because you're drafting him at his ceiling." And a lot of people in this thread would say "Well, I draft a lot of people at their ceiling."

Well, sure. But you KNOW what Justin Jefferson's floor is. You KNOW what Ja'marr Chase's floor is. We got MHJ's floor despite the ceiling price tag. And it stung for the people that paid it.

Flip side: You got Nabers at a better value. You got BTJ at a way better value. You got Ladd McConkey at a better value.

So, the next time the whole "You're drafting him at his ceiling" conversation comes up on a player--I hope people will remember MHJ. Because you're not promised the amazing floor with a rookie.

All of that said, he had a solid rookie season. currently 800 and 7 with a game to go. He's got 60 less yards and 2 more TD's than DJ Moore.

 

[MTskibum]

They need to use him different next season, they only throw him deep balls, but the need to use him on shorter routes.

 

[jobarules]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

Or it could be there were FOUR rookies that had 1000 yds receiving and he wasn't one of them.

 

[IHEARTFF]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

Or it could be there were FOUR rookies that had 1000 yds receiving and he wasn't one of them.

Yes that too. Crazy good results from the other stud rookies.

 

[KellysHeroes]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

 

[jm192]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

Or it could be there were FOUR rookies that had 1000 yds receiving and he wasn't one of them.

It makes it feel more frustrating. It doesn't prove Marvin is or will be a bust.

Ceedee Lamb didn't have 1,000 receiving yards as a rookie. He's...alright.

If MHJ were playing for the Jaguars or Chargers, maybe his stats are more in line with what we've seen from Ladd or BTJ. I'm not including the Giants, because I think that situation is among the worst in the NFL and REALLY sings to how amazing Nabers is.

But we've seen guys have solid/not great rookie years go on to be very good receivers.

 

[jm192]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

I think they would break their fingers trying to click accept.

I can't imagine Nabers owners are willing to make that trade at this point.

I'm considering trying some shenanigans like offering Ceedee Lamb for Nabers+. I think Nabers is ELITE ELITE. I think MHJ could still be there in a year or 2. But I know Nabers is there.

 

[KellysHeroes]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

I think they would break their fingers trying to click accept.

I can't imagine Nabers owners are willing to make that trade at this point.

I'm considering trying some shenanigans like offering Ceedee Lamb for Nabers+. I think Nabers is ELITE ELITE. I think MHJ could still be there in a year or 2. But I know Nabers is there.

I'm a Nabers owner... and I'm really worried about NYG's QB situation. if you tossed me Harrison and a 3rd I might pull that trigger

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I saw him getting drafted in the top of the 2nd round last year. I find it crazy how people were pulling the trigger on him at that range.

I am glad I stayed away.