Your post was vague on his criticisms of Harrison which were “catch point and tracking”
Vague? That’s actually extremely specific.
Those are Waldman’s 2 clearly articulated criticisms (he also suggested that MH Sr also suffered from these issues, but had uncanny knack for overcoming them).
Buy hey, if you think Matt is the man, then by all means, follow his advice.
I believe he’s a good analyst, and often catches things on film that other analysts don’t, but I don’t know if I “think Matt is the man”.
Just sharing his criticism of MH2’s game. Seemed like it added something to the topic. Not sure why you’re trying to make this personal. It’s not about me at all - it’s about MH2, and one FBG analyst’s observations.
it is obviously a very personal issue with him. voice shaming as part of the reasoning to stop reading his analysis?
I always say Waldman sounds like a more intelligent Jeremy Piven. Take that as you like, but it is intended neither positive or negative, just my way of trying to explain how his voice sounds to me.
to get it back to the topic, I am down on MH2 because of his price point. same as last year. his 1st year was OK, but not for the cost. his cost hasn't dropped enough for me to consider him in any format. Hoping he turns it on this year to get his cost to make more sense to me.
At the 3-4 turn you're getting a WR who has the easiest path to 280 fantasy points (in my opinion).
- Blue Chip Prospect w/ high draft capital
- Not much for target competition
- Capable QB?
If McBride gets his 150 targets and Harrison gets 160 there are still 220-ish targets to go around. It seems very possible. 280 fantasy points puts him in range for a top 6 WR finish and you're getting him pick 30-40?
He could crack the top 10 and maybe top 5. We arent still drafting low floor high ceiling guys?
If Arizona could get Kyler on some designed bootlegs toward Harrison's side, which it sounds like they agree they need to target/scheme Harrison more... could be a big payout.
All of this is possible.
It’s also possible that Kyler continues to focus his development on call of duty rather than on improving his QB play.
If he continues to be a 1-look and run QB, that’ll hurt all the receivers on the Cards.
If it was just MH2’s floor/ceiling I was concerned about I could bite my tongue and take him. But I’m not very high on Murray. Maybe that’s a me issue, and you’re absolutely right that MH2 is a low floor/high ceiling play.
My concern is that often the low floor high ceiling types come a bit cheaper than 36th overall.
He could definitely pay off at that price. I’m not dismissing that potential at all.
I'm with you on this one. Pretty much same points I made on both MHJ and Kyler a few months ago. I think they both have some red flags, which unfortunately basically double up MHJs flags. Least Murray can earn his ADP with his legs. Also, will just add in, Harmon had a lot of similar notes on MHJ about being weak at the catch point and that a lot of his success in college came from QBs and usage which are almost opposite of what we saw from Murray and Arizona's offense last year.
For the rest of the board in the convo though, on the MHJ in range for "a top 6 WR finish"; when was the last time this offense and this QB made a top 6WR? Or even a top 12WR? Genuine question as I don't know, but I feel like it's extremely bold to make that projection if it's something we have a clear history of not happening. Especially after last season as firm NFL level evidence for MHJ specifically, and the fact just about nothing (good) has really changed for this situation from last season. I can understand the hype some had on him last year more, since it was all still unknown. He could have had a Nabors season and I'm sure many would not have been surprised. But he didn't. So why magically this year?
This range of the draft for redraft leagues has come up in a few threads now the past couple weeks; and I still maintain I don't hate MHJs ADP as there aren't many WRs in that range I'd confidently move ahead of him. But taking a step back, I think it's more that I just don't like ANY WRs in that range. I think there is a steep drop off after the first 2/2.5 rounds at the position, and a pretty large flat tier for almost two rounds after it. So why take MHJ at ~34, when I feel just about as confident taking Worthy at 56, Pickens at 60, or even Tet at 63? Late 3rd/early 4th seems like the time to pivot to grab a T1 TE, take your first RB in a 0RB strat, or even snag a T1 QB who might have fallen. Just MHO tho... YMMV.
Yeah, you are right to question that top 6 finish and I wasn't really planting a flag that he will or he won't but I was just opening up to the idea of it being possible.
The truth is - Kyler is slated to throw 500+ times and whether McBride is 150, 160 or 170 of those targets... it would be nothing for MHJr to get 150 to 160 of those targets, given the offense actually runs through their first round WR pick. He caught 53% of his targets - that could take a bump up too. I am just stating he is the best WR they have and they probably won't be handedly winning a lot of games... If his targets increase to 160 and he stays at 53% catch rate - that is 85 catches if average yards per catch stay the same at 14.3 - 1,222 yards.
The same could be said about Daniel Jones producing a top 10 WR before Nabers showed up. Dabol is an offensive mind and knew what he had with Nabers but maybe Gannon is a little slower to the realization that the offense should run through MHJr. Not here to argue, but I believe Harrison has immense upside. The rookie fever has gotten so bad in fantasy football people want to write guys off after a year, but I think there is more. Murray needs to run more. He needs to be out on a bootleg to see the field, because he is not tall.
I was just letting everyone know, I am going to keep him for a decent amount of Auction $ and pair him with Ladd McConkey (as my other keeper for a small amount of money) and I think I will have a decent 1/2 punch and I expect his floor to be around 240-250 points on the season but I don't think 96 catches for 1400 yards and 7 touchdowns is farfetched given the pedigree.
The Cardinals being a dumpster fire actually works in MHJr's favor - garbage yards are still yards.
