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WR Michael Wilson, ARZ (4 Viewers)

Imagine if Wilson started season as top wr on Cards since week one with no Harrison!
He'd be smashing every receiving record.

It's nice having teams having to focus on McBride. Must help alot.

Please go away Harrison. He needs to go on IR ASAP. No need to risk further injury in a lost season.

Wilson is the pickup of the year IMO. And was free to me,as I grabbed him for upside,the week before MHJ got hurt.

Wilson helped me big-time getting into my playoffs with a bye. He makes up for Justin Jefferson sucking in my lineup.

I'd be unbeatable if Jefferson had a QB.
 
Footballdaz said:
Imagine if Wilson started season as top wr on Cards since week one with no Harrison!
He'd be smashing every receiving record.

It's nice having teams having to focus on McBride. Must help alot.

Please go away Harrison. He needs to go on IR ASAP. No need to risk further injury in a lost season.

Wilson is the pickup of the year IMO. And was free to me,as I grabbed him for upside,the week before MHJ got hurt.

Wilson helped me big-time getting into my playoffs with a bye. He makes up for Justin Jefferson sucking in my lineup.

I'd be unbeatable if Jefferson had a QB.
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My WRs in one league are ARSB, JSN, and Rice. And I picked up Wilson on the wire when Harrison went down. And I can play 4 WRs 😊
 
Golden Gopher said:
steelerfan1 said:
vs the texans isnt giving me the warm and fuzzies, but how do you sit him if harrison is out...
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Depends on who else you have, but unless you're completely stacked (in which case you probably weren't starting him this week), I don't see how you can sit him next week (if MHJ is out).
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The way Ladd just played I’d say i am not stacked…
 
steelwind said:
mrfrood said:
steelwind said:
I have to ask. If MHJ is out week15 are you starting Wilson vs Hou?
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Only way you don't start Wilson with MHJ out is if you have insanely good other options.
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I have other options in Diggs or Sutton.
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Wilson with no Harrison even in a bad matchup is a top 10 wr. We can nickle and dime his ability all we want. I look at the facts. With no Harrison, Wilson gets targets on non game days.

Wilson >>> Sutton
Wilson >>>>>>>> Diggs
 
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
 
ATB said:
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
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Maybe so, but even if he is shadowed my Revis and Sanders, 15 targets should get us something. Ha ha
 
ATB said:
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
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"What if I told you that..." Mr. Wilson is the most elite of the elite?
 
ATB said:
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
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Tough matchup for sure, however Wilson is proving to be great at contested catches. Even with sticky coverage he has a chance. The bigger issue is the incompetent staff ignoring him if MHJr is back.
 
ATB said:
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
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It is. In my PPR league the Texans are #3 against opposing WRs.

FWIW, somehow, the Bengals are #4 against opposing WRs. Even being 31st IRL pass D.
 
ETA: I apologize in advance. This one became long winded.

TL/DR: Houston D caught a bunch of breaks on defense (still beyond awesome for sure and, they caught another one against the Cards) and Brissett has been kinda historically prolific.
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Regarding the Texans pass D. Look, the numbers don't lie, they're amazing. ,

Also, for the third time in four games the they will be facing a team that will missing their starting LT (Paris Johnson). That's a big deal and, should not be discounted or ignored.

HOWEVER the Texans lucked out a ton this season as it relates to opposing passing offenses.

They opened with the Rams and Bucs, full strength against two good offenses.

After that it was Jacksonville and their middling pass game (thanks BTJ), Tennessee, Baltimore without Lamar, Seattle (they held Darnold to 213-1-1), SF without Purdy (Purdy>Jones), Broncos and their middling pass game (Nix wins but, has regressed as a passer), Jags again, Titans again, Buffalo (without both tackles most of the game), Colts with Jones literally (not figuratively) having a broken leg (he put up 201 & 2), Chiefs (down both tackles and Smith who is their best OL).

The interesting thing about the Cardinals is they lead the league in pass attempts and they're #7 in yards. That's all fine and dandy but that includes five games that Kyler Murray started.

Kyler Murray per game average was 22 of 32 for 192 yards, 1.2 TDs & 0.6 INTs. His season pace was 3,270 yards, 20 TDs & 10 picks.

Brissett going 28 of 43 for 307 yards with 1.9 TDs and 0.6 INT per game. That's a pace of 5,225 yards, 32 TDs & 11 INT.

What's most impressive is his worst yardage total is 258 yards (Murray's best was 220) and he has 2 pass TDs in 7 of 8 games (Murray did that in 2 of 5).

I don't know what kind of voodoo is going on with Brissett but, betting against him feels foolish at this point.
 
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FTR what Brissett has been doing is far more impressive than anything Daniel Jones did this year. All props to DJ but, he has a great OL and a top 3 RB keeping the pressure off.

Brissett has not had Conner or Benson and has been without his, presumed #1 WR for long stretches. He has, arguably the best TE in the league and, at least on paper that's it.

To be fair, I think Michael Wilson is looking like an ARSB type guy with a massive chip on his shoulder but, without the benefit of a coaching staff smart enough to act on it.

But, Brissett has been amazing and, Wilson may be legit.
 
Good info Chaka. Appreciate the numbers. Although I agree with most of what you laid down, it must be pointed out that the Cardinals actually lead the league in passing attempts, which obviously increases QBs numbers.
 
FarFromHome said:
Good info Chaka. Appreciate the numbers. Although I agree with most of what you laid down, it must be pointed out that the Cardinals actually lead the league in passing attempts, which obviously increases QBs numbers.
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Game script definitely matters. I wonder if there a stat somewhere for time spent trailing in a game, and if so I wonder which teams are the cumulative leaders in that category.
 
FarFromHome said:
Good info Chaka. Appreciate the numbers. Although I agree with most of what you laid down, it must be pointed out that the Cardinals actually lead the league in passing attempts, which obviously increases QBs numbers.
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Of course but, I don't expect that to change RoS so, for fantasy purposes, and Michael Wilson managers, that seems like a good thing.
 
Lansdowne said:
FarFromHome said:
Good info Chaka. Appreciate the numbers. Although I agree with most of what you laid down, it must be pointed out that the Cardinals actually lead the league in passing attempts, which obviously increases QBs numbers.
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Game script definitely matters. I wonder if there a stat somewhere for time spent trailing in a game, and if so I wonder which teams are the cumulative leaders in that category.
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This is akin but not exact though it should give an idea. It will show you number of plays and result and effectiveness.

Stathead is the paid service of Pro Football Reference. They might have it. Free month trial.

You can see the number of plays for free at PFR. Find your team. Click on link. Find “Splits” and click on link. Click on grey box that says “Show Splits By Score Differential”

www.pro-football-reference.com

Arizona Cardinals 2025 Offensive Splits | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the Arizona Cardinals 2025 Offensive Splits Stats including Splits by Quarter, Game Location, Down, Yards to Go Field Position, Score Differential, Game Situation, Snap Type & Huddle, Pass Rush Type and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com
www.pro-football-reference.com www.pro-football-reference.com
 
Chaka said:
ATB said:
Even if MHJ is out, the matchup against Houston is TERRIBLE. First week of fantasy playoffs and he's up against a defense that shuts down everyone but the most elite of the elite.
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It is. In my PPR league the Texans are #3 against opposing WRs.

FWIW, somehow, the Bengals are #4 against opposing WRs. Even being 31st IRL pass D.
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Probably a function of who is scoring touchdowns against them. Looking at the opposition TD log, we can see the following passing touchdowns:

Jacksonville - two to RBs
Minnesota - two to TEs
Detroit - two to TEs, one to RB
Green Bay - one to TE
Pittsburgh - four to TEs
New York - one to TE
Chicago - two to TEs, one to QB (yes really)
Pittsburgh - two to RBs
New England - one to TE
Buffalo - two to TEs

That's 21 passing touchdowns conceded that didn't go to wide receivers. They've only conceded 29 passing touchdowns total.
 
I have Harrison and Wilson in a one flex start 3 wr league. If both are active in that league I'm starting Harrison.

I own just Wilson in League Uno which starts 2 wrs and THREE flex positions. I'm starting Wilson no matter if Harrison is active.
 
I'd be scared to death of starting Wilson this week, with or without Harrison. The Houston offense is not going to score enough points to give Jacoby the second half garbage points that he's been getting. This has the makings of a 24-7 type game. I see a lot of three-and-outs for Arizona. Definitely tough to sit Wilson, especially if Harrison is out. If that were the case, I think I'd have to ride the hot hand and do it. But like I said, I wouldn't feel real confident in doing it. I'm a Brisset owner and I'm sitting him.
 
I was thinking that if you guys are concerned about garbage time just go look at the play-by-plays on ESPN or Pro Football Refence and just say, “anything over ten (and you can adjust score and situation to your own comfort level) and I think those stats are influenced more by situation than talent” and go from there.

You can also pull neutral pass rates and PROE (pass rate over expectation), which looks at game situations and looks at historical and current data (keeping it era-adjusted), sees what teams do and tells you what the Cardinals really tend to do holding the situation as constant as you can (you can’t do it perfectly) and gives you a run/pass percentage based on tendency.

But yes, you have to figure out how Harrison and Houston will affect all this, and it’s the playoffs for fantasy, which makes it unfortunate.
 
NewbieJr said:
I'd be scared to death of starting Wilson this week, with or without Harrison. The Houston offense is not going to score enough points to give Jacoby the second half garbage points that he's been getting.
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It just needs to be good enough to keep them passing. Besides, if Houston suck as much as you imply then it's not as if Zona have a running game of any description to turn to
 
NewbieJr said:
I'd be scared to death of starting Wilson this week, with or without Harrison. The Houston offense is not going to score enough points to give Jacoby the second half garbage points that he's been getting. This has the makings of a 24-7 type game. I see a lot of three-and-outs for Arizona. Definitely tough to sit Wilson, especially if Harrison is out. If that were the case, I think I'd have to ride the hot hand and do it. But like I said, I wouldn't feel real confident in doing it. I'm a Brisset owner and I'm sitting him.
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eh, don't be a scaredy cat
 
NewbieJr said:
I'd be scared to death of starting Wilson this week, with or without Harrison. The Houston offense is not going to score enough points to give Jacoby the second half garbage points that he's been getting. This has the makings of a 24-7 type game. I see a lot of three-and-outs for Arizona. Definitely tough to sit Wilson, especially if Harrison is out. If that were the case, I think I'd have to ride the hot hand and do it. But like I said, I wouldn't feel real confident in doing it. I'm a Brisset owner and I'm sitting him.
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10-130-0 (Week 1, Puka Nacua)
5-72-0 (Week 5, Zay Flowers)
8-123-1 (Week 7, Jaxon Smith-Njigba)
8-110-0 (Week 12, Khalil Shakir)
4-78-1 (Week 13, Alec Pierce)

The Texans defense is formidable but they are not an automatic death sentence to WR's in fantasy
 
Lansdowne said:
NewbieJr said:
I'd be scared to death of starting Wilson this week, with or without Harrison. The Houston offense is not going to score enough points to give Jacoby the second half garbage points that he's been getting. This has the makings of a 24-7 type game. I see a lot of three-and-outs for Arizona. Definitely tough to sit Wilson, especially if Harrison is out. If that were the case, I think I'd have to ride the hot hand and do it. But like I said, I wouldn't feel real confident in doing it. I'm a Brisset owner and I'm sitting him.
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10-130-0 (Week 1, Puka Nacua)
5-72-0 (Week 5, Zay Flowers)
8-123-1 (Week 7, Jaxon Smith-Njigba)
8-110-0 (Week 12, Khalil Shakir)
4-78-1 (Week 13, Alec Pierce)

The Texans defense is formidable but they are not an automatic death sentence to WR's in fantasy
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I'm starting him. :thumbup:
 
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