WR Quentin Johnston, LAC (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Oh, come on. He played 16 games last year, started 12.

Put him and Zay Flowers on the Chiefs and he'd be lucky to be their WR3. If Rice doesn't get suspended, I'm assuming he will, Bateman would be on the roster bubble at best.

We can agree to disagree.

I think Bateman is significantly more talented than he’s given credit for. He’s + size/speed guy who runs crisp routes and has good hands.

He’s been stuck on a bad passing offense, and spent his 1st two seasons injured.

Regardless, he’s significantly better than QJ, which was your original goalpost.

We have seen nothing in the NFL to suggest Bateman is anything other than JAG. QJ was bad, 100%, but Bateman has been bad for his entire career. The flashes you have seen are the personification of hope.

Marquis Brown did fine in Baltimore, with Lamar and he's been worse since. No reasonable argument exists that Bateman is better than Brown or Rashee or Flowers, maybe Worthy, because we know nothing about Worthy in the NFL, but I'm not betting on that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We have seen nothing in the NFL to suggest Bateman is anything other than JAG. QJ was bad, 100%, but Bateman has been bad for his entire career. The flashes you have seen are the personification of hope.

Marquis Brown did fine in Baltimore, with Lamar and he's been worse since. No reasonable argument exists that Bateman is better than Brown or Rashee or Flowers, maybe Worthy, because we know nothing about Worthy in the NFL, but I'm not betting on that

Bateman had a substantially more impressive college career.

Saying “his NFL career” = jag is really disingenuous considering his injuries.

Again, we’ll agree to disagree. When you say things like that, I don’t see your arguments as being in good faith, so better we move on.

 

[Chaka]

We have seen nothing in the NFL to suggest Bateman is anything other than JAG. QJ was bad, 100%, but Bateman has been bad for his entire career. The flashes you have seen are the personification of hope.

Marquis Brown did fine in Baltimore, with Lamar and he's been worse since. No reasonable argument exists that Bateman is better than Brown or Rashee or Flowers, maybe Worthy, because we know nothing about Worthy in the NFL, but I'm not betting on that

Bateman had a substantially more impressive college career.

Saying “his NFL career” = jag is really disingenuous considering his injuries.

Again, we’ll agree to disagree. When you say things like that, I don’t see your arguments as being in good faith, so better we move on.

Bringing up college stats is equally disingenuous. And his college numbers show that, once again the best ability is availability.

At least QJ got better every year.

FTR, I'm not saying QJ is anything at all, I just have a brain worm for your love (like/appreciation/mild interest) of Bateman and saw an opportunity to throw a little, playful jab. I kinda like Bateman, probably because of you.

In redraft I probably take Bateman first... probably.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We have seen nothing in the NFL to suggest Bateman is anything other than JAG. QJ was bad, 100%, but Bateman has been bad for his entire career. The flashes you have seen are the personification of hope.

Marquis Brown did fine in Baltimore, with Lamar and he's been worse since. No reasonable argument exists that Bateman is better than Brown or Rashee or Flowers, maybe Worthy, because we know nothing about Worthy in the NFL, but I'm not betting on that

Bateman had a substantially more impressive college career.

Saying “his NFL career” = jag is really disingenuous considering his injuries.

Again, we’ll agree to disagree. When you say things like that, I don’t see your arguments as being in good faith, so better we move on.

Bringing up college stats is equally disingenuous. And his college numbers show that, once again the best ability is availability.

At least QJ got better every year.

FTR, I'm not saying QJ is anything at all, I just have a brain worm for your love (like/appreciation/mild interest) of Bateman and saw an opportunity to throw a little, playful jab. I kinda like Bateman, probably because of you.

In redraft I probably take Bateman first... probably.

I disagree. College stats are wholly relevant when debating talent between two players who’ve each not shown much at the NFL level to date.

How exactly has QJ shown improvement from year 1 to year 1+? lol cmon.

Anyway, I’m hopefully not drafting either, but I have a few cheap shares of Bateman & do believe they could pay off.

I’ve disinfested my rosters of QJ, and I’m happy to have done so.

No love lost my dude. I figured you were just poking the bear, but at least bring stronger game than that if you’re bored and want an argument.

 

[Gr00vus]

He's 4th on the depth chart right now. Dropping that long pass in practice, same ole same ole.

 

[jm192]

Yep. Been out. Staying out.

I like McConkey. I'll take some late fliers on Palmer. I about won't take QJ for free.

 

[jtd13]

Really seems like this guy just does not have the skill of tracking a ball consistently. His best route to sticking in the NFL is probably a Patterson type role as a KR and working near the line of scrimmage.

 

[Faust]

The Coachspeak Index
#Chargers HC Jim Harbaugh on Quentin Johnston’s development:

“There’s times it really looks real, like it’s supposed to. We’ll just keep building… So far, so really good with Q.”

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[Judge Smails]

He couldn’t get separation vs my Mom

 

[tommyGunZ]

I follow the Chargers relatively closely - QJ has basically become a joke among the bloggers/podders.

Doubtful he is on any of my rosters this year. Absolute bust of a 1st round pick.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I follow the Chargers relatively closely - QJ has basically become a joke among the bloggers/podders.

Doubtful he is on any of my rosters this year. Absolute bust of a 1st round pick.

So I should be happy I turned him into Chase Brown in one 16 team league, and Osa in another?

Whew. I was feeling like moving off him would bite me. Not that I’m rooting against anyone, of course.

 

[BassNBrew]

He couldn’t get separation vs my Mom

 

[Faust]

Kris Rhim
Jim Harbaugh said Quentin Johnston is probably the greatest example of taking what’s being taught by coaches and implementing it in practice.

Johnston caught the first three passes from Herbert today and had a few more throughout practice. He’s had a good week.

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[BIRDGANG52]

Kris Rhim
Jim Harbaugh said Quentin Johnston is probably the greatest example of taking what’s being taught by coaches and implementing it in practice.

Johnston caught the first three passes from Herbert today and had a few more throughout practice. He’s had a good week.

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I don't know. I don't think this guy is a professional football player. That doesn't seem like the kind of stuff I would be happy about hearing if I was Quentin Johnston. I want coach to be saying how I am dominating practice, not that I am a great example of being coachable.

Coach is being nice.

 

[Deamon]

I don't know. I don't think this guy is a professional football player. That doesn't seem like the kind of stuff I would be happy about hearing if I was Quentin Johnston. I want coach to be saying how I am dominating practice, not that I am a great example of being coachable.

Coach is being nice.

Did we all sleep on this guy this offseason? This seemed like the opposite of Coachspeak.

 

[SoBeDad]

I don't know. I don't think this guy is a professional football player. That doesn't seem like the kind of stuff I would be happy about hearing if I was Quentin Johnston. I want coach to be saying how I am dominating practice, not that I am a great example of being coachable.

Coach is being nice.

Did we all sleep on this guy this offseason? This seemed like the opposite of Coachspeak.

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

 

[Deamon]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

 

[SoBeDad]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

 

[beef]

started with confidence.

 

[Deamon]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

 

[Tau837]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

 

[Deamon]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

yes.

 

[eighsse2]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

yes.

I heard he eats people's pets

 

[Chaka]

Seems like a weird choice for someone not to like.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I too am intrigued how Justin is an awful human being? Never heard anyone hate in Justin before. He is someone I wanted the Giants to draft and build around.

 

[Down Under]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

yes.

Ok, I'll bite. What has he done?

 

[Deamon]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

yes.

Ok, I'll bite. What has he done?

already went through this in depth last year, just gonna leave it at that

 

[Down Under]

As an aside (in the QJ thread) from the Herbert is awful discussion, this game is at least a promising development for QJ (esp considering he really hadn't had any positive developments yet).

 

[SoBeDad]

As an aside (in the QJ thread) from the Herbert is awful discussion, this game is at least a promising development for QJ (esp considering he really hadn't had any positive developments yet).

QJ showed some life last week, 3-5 for 38 yards.

 

[ilianawindfae]

I wasn't a believer, but you don't catch two touchdowns on accident.

He's actually on waivers in one league. I don't need to start him, but if he's the new Mike Williams, I'll sign up for some of that.

 

[SoBeDad]

I wasn't a believer, but you don't catch two touchdowns on accident.

He's actually on waivers in one league. I don't need to start him, but if he's the new Mike Williams, I'll sign up for some of that.

Herbert was limping after the game. His ankle got rolled up on earlier. If he misses time, QJ's value would take a hit.

 

[VikingFrog]

I wasn't a believer, but you don't catch two touchdowns on accident.

He's actually on waivers in one league. I don't need to start him, but if he's the new Mike Williams, I'll sign up for some of that.

Herbert was limping after the game. His ankle got rolled up on earlier. If he misses time, QJ's value would take a hit.

Herbert is a warrior. He’s going to keep getting me 150 yards a game and a TD or two plus a turnover… and you will like it.

 

[Faust]

Robert Griffin III
Quentin Johnston winning, stacking and then attacking the ball in the air to HBO for Justin Herbert? He helped a brother out on a non perfect throw. THIS is what this Chargers offense NEEDS from him consistently.

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[Faust]

Mike Clay
With 2 weeks down, Quentin Johnston leads the Chargers' WR room in snaps, routes and targets.

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[King of the Jungle]

We have a pulse…

 

[kface]

Anyone going to roll him out?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Harbaugh may be a genius if he turned him around

 

[SoBeDad]

Anyone going to roll him out?

Depends on Herbert's status.

 

[Faust]

Chargers WR Quentin Johnson off to hot start proving 'everybody wrong' after subpar rookie year

 

[SoBeDad]

Chargers WR Quentin Johnson off to hot start proving 'everybody wrong' after subpar rookie year

The TDs won't be maintained. He made a nice catch on an underthrow by Herbert on the 29 yard TD and was left alone on the 5 yard TD, but at least he stayed in the open spot in the zone.

In camp, he was the 4th WR, but with Chark out he's 1a or 1b with McConkey. They haven't had to throw much vs 2 bad offenses, does that change when they face KC, ARI or NO in the coming weeks?

BTW, Joe Alt is doing a very good job for a rookie OT. Most of the other rookie LTs are struggling or sitting on the bench.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Chargers WR Quentin Johnson off to hot start proving 'everybody wrong' after subpar rookie year

The TDs won't be maintained. He made a nice catch on an underthrow by Herbert on the 29 yard TD and was left alone on the 5 yard TD, but at least he stayed in the open spot in the zone.

In camp, he was the 4th WR, but with Chark out he's 1a or 1b with McConkey. They haven't had to throw much vs 2 bad offenses, does that change when they face KC, ARI or NO in the coming weeks?

BTW, Joe Alt is doing a very good job for a rookie OT. Most of the other rookie LTs are struggling or sitting on the bench.

Pretty sure Joe is playing on the right side. But you are correct, he is a beast.

 

[Tau837]

Chargers WR Quentin Johnson off to hot start proving 'everybody wrong' after subpar rookie year

The TDs won't be maintained. He made a nice catch on an underthrow by Herbert on the 29 yard TD and was left alone on the 5 yard TD, but at least he stayed in the open spot in the zone.

In camp, he was the 4th WR, but with Chark out he's 1a or 1b with McConkey. They haven't had to throw much vs 2 bad offenses, does that change when they face KC, ARI or NO in the coming weeks?

Entering training camp, I was expecting Johnston to have a much better season in 2024. Reasons:

• The Chargers coaching staff upgrade is real and substantial. Last year's staff did not use Johnston in a way that complemented his strengths as a player; I expected this year's staff would do that.
• He has a year of experience. As painful as it was, I expected he would learn from it and improve.
• He had a full NFL offseason for the first time.
• His contract is guaranteed through 2026, and he has first round talent. The organization is incentivized to give him every opportunity to play and hopefully earn a starting job.
• There was no compelling competition in the WR room.
  • I like McConkey, but as a long term WR2, not WR1, and he is also unproven.
  • IMO Chark, Palmer, and Fehoko are JAGs, and none of them are under contract beyond this year.
  • Rice is an unproven 7th round pick.
  • Davis is a special teams player who IMO is not truly an NFL caliber WR. I did not expect him to play many snaps on offense.
• While the offense was expected to pass less frequently, there was still a lot of opportunity given the volume of targets vacated from last year's roster. Players on the Chargers in 2023 but not in 2024 (including WR Allen, WR Williams, RB Ekeler, TE Everett, and TE Parham) accounted for 332 of 443 (75%) targets and 16 of 20 (80%) passing TDs from Herbert in 2023.
• A lot of people seem to believe Johnston was drastically overdrafted, but he was universally regarded as a first round pick, and there were legit reasons for that. I expected that talent would emerge under the new circumstances.

Given Chark went on IR, I expect Johnston to have locked down the starting X WR role by the time he gets back. I always viewed Chark as essentially being insurance in case Johnston was unable to improve sufficiently. It doesn't look like that will be a problem. I'm sure Chark will play plenty of snaps if he gets and stays healthy, but I suspect that will cut more into Palmer's snaps than Johnston's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m still not high on QJ.

4 catches

1 in the 2nd half.

People gonna spend a lot of FAAB to be disappointed in the coming weeks. This is a dead cat bounce. Sell Mortimer, SELL!

 

[SoBeDad]

I’m still not high on QJ.

4 catches

1 in the 2nd half.

People gonna spend a lot of FAAB to be disappointed in the coming weeks. This is a dead cat bounce. Sell Mortimer, SELL!

Maybe you're right. I think it was 5 catches, 2 in the 2nd half, plus a 13 yard run called back due to holding. He beat JC Horn on the 29 yard TD. I imagine he's a good blocker.

I have the #1 waiver, 14 teams, weak at WR, considering QJ, but my co-gm says wait for the big one. I wish I could see the future!

 

[Rubi]

A lot of overpaying will be done on him this week.
You're chasing The Dragon
You're chasing waterfalls
Your chasing td's
He could turn out to be servicable
But at what price?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m still not high on QJ.

4 catches

1 in the 2nd half.

People gonna spend a lot of FAAB to be disappointed in the coming weeks. This is a dead cat bounce. Sell Mortimer, SELL!

Maybe you're right. I think it was 5 catches, 2 in the 2nd half, plus a 13 yard run called back due to holding. He beat JC Horn on the 29 yard TD. I imagine he's a good blocker.

I have the #1 waiver, 14 teams, weak at WR, considering QJ, but my co-gm says wait for the big one. I wish I could see the future!

I agree with your co-GM

 

[TheDirtyWord]

This guy reminds me a bit, in terms of his career progression of Roddy White. Very slow start to their respective careers; Roddy's first 2 seasons were absolute garbage as he didn't know how to be a pro. Johnston still has room to grow. I don't think he's going to emerge as the LAC WR1 this year, but there's alot of slander in this thread that's likely overkill.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but there's alot of slander in this thread that's likely overkill.

And a lot that’s completely deserved.

 

[cross1420]

So much negativity around a top tier talent on a upcoming team w/ a great coach. They are obviously looking his way, he almost caught a 3rd TD in the 3rd Quarter but Herbert was a bit off. Im going for him.

 

[Lansdowne]

Great QB, good oline. Little competition. Might be the big add in most leagues. He's available in my 14-team league.

Ok QB.

85.5 pff grade in 2023. 90 pff grade in 2021.

But an awful human.

Justin Herbert is an awful human?

yes.

Ok, I'll bite. What has he done?

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