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WR Rashee Rice, KC (3 Viewers)

I’m not a big fan of DKM or Nabers. I may have taken Rice over both of them.
So, you DID have a shot at him.::
I, on the other hand, am super high on both.
Agreed. I like Rashee's ability enough and he couldn't have a more talented QB (literally). But his QB knows how to distribute the ball and I don't think Rashee has the kind of take over the game single handed ability that a guy like Nabers or DK does.
 
I think he was the 27th WR off the board in our FBG Home League. Twelve teams, single QB league (yes that's lame), he went 5.07
By me!!! Full context. At that point in the draft, I only had Metcalf at the wr position. I knew I was going wr. It was basically Amari, Pickens or Rice. Easy pick. Pick 54 for him seemed reasonable. I stand by the pick. Ha ha
In my home league Rice literally, not figuratively, went as the next WR after Amari, then Pickens. Still the #27 WR off the board to me. I "only" had CeeDee at that point.

IMO Rice represents the best potential #1 WR that you can get for WR3 value.
Alas, in my home league I had the 1.01 with 3RR (voted in this year, proposed by me :doh: )

Had this been standard snake i’d have had 1, 24, 25, 48 & 49. I would have had a solid shot at Rice at 4.12

Instead I had 3.12 & 4.01, and took DKM/Nabers and had zero shot at Rice, who indeed went 4.10

Sigh
I’m not a big fan of DKM or Nabers. I may have taken Rice over both of them.
So, you DID have a shot at him.::
I don't like Nabers supporting cast but I sure like his talent. I can't imagine him not seeing 130+ targets, even low quality ones that's still a ton of volume. I think he can put together a Garrett Wilson/Jaylen Waddle type rookie season of 80-1,100-5 and perhaps a little more.

This, hopefully won't be his career year but it's lining up for him to open strong.
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
 
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
You forgot that when Rice did that, Moore was a bust, MVS wasn’t doing anything, Kelce was gimpy, Toney didn’t know where to line up, and they didn’t have Worthy or Hollywood, or a McKinnon role played by special guest star Perine.

Lot more competition for touches in KC.

But by all means, draft 10 teams and do take Rice all 10 over DKM & Nabers. They’re your teams. Enjoy.
 
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
Lot more competition for touches in KC.
Rice has rocketed up draft boards. I don't get it.

M. Brown will be back possibly by week 2. Worthy sure to get some love. Kelce is Kelce. Pacheco out of the backfield has proven capable.

Lot of mouths to feed and Mahommes wont force it.
 
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
Lot more competition for touches in KC.
Rice has rocketed up draft boards. I don't get it.

M. Brown will be back possibly by week 2. Worthy sure to get some love. Kelce is Kelce. Pacheco out of the backfield has proven capable.

Lot of mouths to feed and Mahommes wont force it.
It's math. A lot of folks see a 5000 yard and 30 td season from Mahomes this year. Even a 4700 yard 28 td season spreads a good amount of love. Kelce showed decline last year even if he matches last year their is still a lot of yards and tds to go around. Brown has had one 1008 yard season in 5 years. Even if he has another1000 yard season and let's say Worthy for some crazy reason hits 1000, we still have points on board for Rice. Chiefs were bottom half of the league in rushing attempts. No matter how good Pacheco is, they aren't gonna turn into the Ravens overnight. 17 games of Rice should hit wr2 numbers at minimum. He has wr1 upside being drafted in that wr20 to wr25 range. All day for me. I got him in that wr18 range personally. All my opinion.
 
I think he was the 27th WR off the board in our FBG Home League. Twelve teams, single QB league (yes that's lame), he went 5.07
By me!!! Full context. At that point in the draft, I only had Metcalf at the wr position. I knew I was going wr. It was basically Amari, Pickens or Rice. Easy pick. Pick 54 for him seemed reasonable. I stand by the pick. Ha ha
In my home league Rice literally, not figuratively, went as the next WR after Amari, then Pickens. Still the #27 WR off the board to me. I "only" had CeeDee at that point.

IMO Rice represents the best potential #1 WR that you can get for WR3 value.
Alas, in my home league I had the 1.01 with 3RR (voted in this year, proposed by me :doh: )

Had this been standard snake i’d have had 1, 24, 25, 48 & 49. I would have had a solid shot at Rice at 4.12

Instead I had 3.12 & 4.01, and took DKM/Nabers and had zero shot at Rice, who indeed went 4.10

Sigh
I’m not a big fan of DKM or Nabers. I may have taken Rice over both of them.
So, you DID have a shot at him.::
I don't like Nabers supporting cast but I sure like his talent. I can't imagine him not seeing 130+ targets, even low quality ones that's still a ton of volume. I think he can put together a Garrett Wilson/Jaylen Waddle type rookie season of 80-1,100-5 and perhaps a little more.

This, hopefully won't be his career year but it's lining up for him to open strong.
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
I didn't forget Rashee at all and I know he started slow. What I don't see is Rashee getting 130+ targets in this offense this season. As long as Kelce is around he's arguably not even the #1 target on his team. The Chiefs brought in two more pass catchers as well.

For some weird reason people seem to believe Marquise Brown is a one trick speedster who's going to be deployed on deep routes to stretch the field but that's not his game. He has an 11.6 career y/r, he's made his living on the short & intermediate routes. He hasn't caught a pass over 50 yards since 2020.

Worthy is the field stretcher and I don't see a ton of volume for him but it will be enough to take away opportunities from the others.

The Chiefs have been a pass first (and second and third) team so there is an opportunity for Rice to make the jump to being a true lead WR who gets 150 targets. But I don't think that path is necessarily a linear trajectory from year one to year two. Particularly when the Chiefs have two other good pass catchers who operate in the same spaces as Rice and a QB who will find the open man.

Right now I would cap Rice similar to Nabers, in the 1,100-5ish territory.

I like Nabers a little more because I think his volume is locked in and I think he has true take it to the house ability that I think Rice lacks. IOW I think Nabers has more ability to make up for a bad week on one play.
 
I think he was the 27th WR off the board in our FBG Home League. Twelve teams, single QB league (yes that's lame), he went 5.07
By me!!! Full context. At that point in the draft, I only had Metcalf at the wr position. I knew I was going wr. It was basically Amari, Pickens or Rice. Easy pick. Pick 54 for him seemed reasonable. I stand by the pick. Ha ha
In my home league Rice literally, not figuratively, went as the next WR after Amari, then Pickens. Still the #27 WR off the board to me. I "only" had CeeDee at that point.

IMO Rice represents the best potential #1 WR that you can get for WR3 value.
Alas, in my home league I had the 1.01 with 3RR (voted in this year, proposed by me :doh: )

Had this been standard snake i’d have had 1, 24, 25, 48 & 49. I would have had a solid shot at Rice at 4.12

Instead I had 3.12 & 4.01, and took DKM/Nabers and had zero shot at Rice, who indeed went 4.10

Sigh
I’m not a big fan of DKM or Nabers. I may have taken Rice over both of them.
So, you DID have a shot at him.::
I don't like Nabers supporting cast but I sure like his talent. I can't imagine him not seeing 130+ targets, even low quality ones that's still a ton of volume. I think he can put together a Garrett Wilson/Jaylen Waddle type rookie season of 80-1,100-5 and perhaps a little more.

This, hopefully won't be his career year but it's lining up for him to open strong.
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
I didn't forget Rashee at all and I know he started slow. What I don't see is Rashee getting 130+ targets in this offense this season. As long as Kelce is around he's arguably not even the #1 target on his team. The Chiefs brought in two more pass catchers as well.

For some weird reason people seem to believe Marquise Brown is a one trick speedster who's going to be deployed on deep routes to stretch the field but that's not his game. He has an 11.6 career y/r, he's made his living on the short & intermediate routes. He hasn't caught a pass over 50 yards since 2020.

Worthy is the field stretcher and I don't see a ton of volume for him but it will be enough to take away opportunities from the others.

The Chiefs have been a pass first (and second and third) team so there is an opportunity for Rice to make the jump to being a true lead WR who gets 150 targets. But I don't think that path is necessarily a linear trajectory from year one to year two. Particularly when the Chiefs have two other good pass catchers who operate in the same spaces as Rice and a QB who will find the open man.

Right now I would cap Rice similar to Nabers, in the 1,100-5ish territory.

I like Nabers a little more because I think his volume is locked in and I think he has true take it to the house ability that I think Rice lacks. IOW I think Nabers has more ability to make up for a bad week on one play.
Good post. I also don't see 150 targets for Rice. 120 at 7 a game? Definitely seems reasonable. For conversational purposes, id take even 5 targets a game from Mahomes over 8 targets a game from Daniel Jones all day .
 
I think he was the 27th WR off the board in our FBG Home League. Twelve teams, single QB league (yes that's lame), he went 5.07
By me!!! Full context. At that point in the draft, I only had Metcalf at the wr position. I knew I was going wr. It was basically Amari, Pickens or Rice. Easy pick. Pick 54 for him seemed reasonable. I stand by the pick. Ha ha
In my home league Rice literally, not figuratively, went as the next WR after Amari, then Pickens. Still the #27 WR off the board to me. I "only" had CeeDee at that point.

IMO Rice represents the best potential #1 WR that you can get for WR3 value.
Alas, in my home league I had the 1.01 with 3RR (voted in this year, proposed by me :doh: )

Had this been standard snake i’d have had 1, 24, 25, 48 & 49. I would have had a solid shot at Rice at 4.12

Instead I had 3.12 & 4.01, and took DKM/Nabers and had zero shot at Rice, who indeed went 4.10

Sigh
I’m not a big fan of DKM or Nabers. I may have taken Rice over both of them.
So, you DID have a shot at him.::
I don't like Nabers supporting cast but I sure like his talent. I can't imagine him not seeing 130+ targets, even low quality ones that's still a ton of volume. I think he can put together a Garrett Wilson/Jaylen Waddle type rookie season of 80-1,100-5 and perhaps a little more.

This, hopefully won't be his career year but it's lining up for him to open strong.
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
I didn't forget Rashee at all and I know he started slow. What I don't see is Rashee getting 130+ targets in this offense this season. As long as Kelce is around he's arguably not even the #1 target on his team. The Chiefs brought in two more pass catchers as well.

For some weird reason people seem to believe Marquise Brown is a one trick speedster who's going to be deployed on deep routes to stretch the field but that's not his game. He has an 11.6 career y/r, he's made his living on the short & intermediate routes. He hasn't caught a pass over 50 yards since 2020.

Worthy is the field stretcher and I don't see a ton of volume for him but it will be enough to take away opportunities from the others.

The Chiefs have been a pass first (and second and third) team so there is an opportunity for Rice to make the jump to being a true lead WR who gets 150 targets. But I don't think that path is necessarily a linear trajectory from year one to year two. Particularly when the Chiefs have two other good pass catchers who operate in the same spaces as Rice and a QB who will find the open man.

Right now I would cap Rice similar to Nabers, in the 1,100-5ish territory.

I like Nabers a little more because I think his volume is locked in and I think he has true take it to the house ability that I think Rice lacks. IOW I think Nabers has more ability to make up for a bad week on one play.
Good post. I also don't see 150 targets for Rice. 120 at 7 a game? Definitely seems reasonable. For conversational purposes, id take even 5 targets a game from Mahomes over 8 targets a game from Daniel Jones all day .
Yes absolutely. And I am probably underestimating Rashee's touchdown floor as well.

I'm not saying that Nabers is a slam dunk over Rashee, it's much closer to a coin flip than anything and I would say probably also dependent on roster construction by the time you're making the decision between the two of them.

But, in a vacuum, I do prefer Nabers's, IMO, locked in target share and his explosive physical tools.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.

You did?
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.

You did?
Didn't I?
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.

You did?
Didn't I?
No

Nabors went at pick 2.12, Rice at 5.7.

 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.

You did?
Didn't I?
No
I hate my team.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
Sure reads like your trying to convince yourself that taking Rice over Nabers was the good choice. Ha ha. You play to the win the games. You win the games by taking who you think is the best player. 😄
Well, I did land Nabers in our league so, watch out.

You did?
At pick 24 nonetheless. And I got Rice. And we play each other week 1. This is like a movie transcript.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
I think many forget how much the chiefs spread the ball around when they had a full compliment of WR.

Also IIRC Mahomes didn’t run much last year - I expect him to do more of that this year.

Again - I think Rice is a good WR and will have a good season. I liked him more when his ADP was in the 6th or later.

Folks talk a lot about drafting MH2 or Nico “at his ceiling” - Rice in the 4th is probably drafting him at his ceiling. And he may well hit that - but there are a lot more mouths to feed in the KC offense than there were in 2023. Not saying it can’t happen, but with a healthy Kelce, IMO he’s still the #1 target of that passing game.

I don’t know if Juju is anything to worry about, but Brown is a very good WR, and I think they’ll use Worthy as more than a 9-route guy.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
I think many forget how much the chiefs spread the ball around when they had a full compliment of WR.

Also IIRC Mahomes didn’t run much last year - I expect him to do more of that this year.

Again - I think Rice is a good WR and will have a good season. I liked him more when his ADP was in the 6th or later.

Folks talk a lot about drafting MH2 or Nico “at his ceiling” - Rice in the 4th is probably drafting him at his ceiling. And he may well hit that - but there are a lot more mouths to feed in the KC offense than there were in 2023. Not saying it can’t happen, but with a healthy Kelce, IMO he’s still the #1 target of that passing game.

I don’t know if Juju is anything to worry about, but Brown is a very good WR, and I think they’ll use Worthy as more than a 9-route guy.
WRs with 900+ yards as a rookie tend to have very very good careers. . . This is the last 25 receivers to do it. There are a few duds in there, but the hit rate is remarkable. And when you consider he started slow . . . I think people are significantly underestimating how good Rice can be.

Here is a link with the last 25 players to do it
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
I think many forget how much the chiefs spread the ball around when they had a full compliment of WR.

Also IIRC Mahomes didn’t run much last year - I expect him to do more of that this year.

Again - I think Rice is a good WR and will have a good season. I liked him more when his ADP was in the 6th or later.

Folks talk a lot about drafting MH2 or Nico “at his ceiling” - Rice in the 4th is probably drafting him at his ceiling. And he may well hit that - but there are a lot more mouths to feed in the KC offense than there were in 2023. Not saying it can’t happen, but with a healthy Kelce, IMO he’s still the #1 target of that passing game.

I don’t know if Juju is anything to worry about, but Brown is a very good WR, and I think they’ll use Worthy as more than a 9-route guy.
WRs with 900+ yards as a rookie tend to have very very good careers. . . This is the last 25 receivers to do it. There are a few duds in there, but the hit rate is remarkable. And when you consider he started slow . . . I think people are significantly underestimating how good Rice can be.

Here is a link with the last 25 players to do it
I get it. Totally do.

But the 2024 Chiefs are a dramatically different, and much deeper offense than the 2023 Chiefs.

looking at that list says nothing about the continuity of those teams. Maybe that’s nothing. Maybe it’s not.

It just doesn’t seem like the slam dunk to me that everyone seems to think it is.

Season starts this week. We’ll know soon enough.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
I think many forget how much the chiefs spread the ball around when they had a full compliment of WR.

Also IIRC Mahomes didn’t run much last year - I expect him to do more of that this year.

Again - I think Rice is a good WR and will have a good season. I liked him more when his ADP was in the 6th or later.

Folks talk a lot about drafting MH2 or Nico “at his ceiling” - Rice in the 4th is probably drafting him at his ceiling. And he may well hit that - but there are a lot more mouths to feed in the KC offense than there were in 2023. Not saying it can’t happen, but with a healthy Kelce, IMO he’s still the #1 target of that passing game.

I don’t know if Juju is anything to worry about, but Brown is a very good WR, and I think they’ll use Worthy as more than a 9-route guy.
WRs with 900+ yards as a rookie tend to have very very good careers. . . This is the last 25 receivers to do it. There are a few duds in there, but the hit rate is remarkable. And when you consider he started slow . . . I think people are significantly underestimating how good Rice can be.

Here is a link with the last 25 players to do it
1,100 yds and 8 TDs seems reasonable, whatever number of catches that adds up to on top.
We're talking 60-75 yds a game and a TD every other week.

Starting from Week 11 his rookie season...
11-8/107/TD
12-8/64
13-7/72/TD
14-9/91/TD
15-6/57
16-5/127
Was Inactive the Chiefs last hame because they had the Division wrapped up
43/500+/3TD
115/1,300/8TD was the pace he was setting at the end for an entire season and I realize he's not likely to actually hit that number in 2024. But it shows where he's at entering Year 2
Also has the endorsement of his QB, helped him win a Super Bowl, 26/260/TD during the Playoffs including the Ice Bowl 8/130/TD as Tyreek hill watched from the other sideline.
 
FWIW I took Rice as my WR2 at 7.06 in a 10 team draft as the 22nd WR off the board, Nabers went 8.05 as the 25th WR off the board.

I opted for Rice in that situation because I had CeeDee as my only WR and I am very worried about a slow start. Rice seems like he is going to be much less volatile than Nabers and I didn't want to risk low scores from both my starting WRs CeeDee and Nabers adjust to the game (for different reasons) in the early weeks of the season.

As a hypothetical: If I had drafted, for example, ARSB as my WR1 and was looking at Rice & Nabers as my WR2 I could definitely see taking Nabers because I would be confident in high end production from my #1 WR.
I also have Rice across several teams, it's going to be him and Kelce early for targets. Worthy might be on the field but they recently brought in JuJu, eventually I think he can start for them alongside Hollywood and Rice/Kelce. But whenever the others join the party, it's not going to take that much away from Rice or Kelce, if anything it will free them up from constant double teams

-MVS and the rest weren't scaring anyone the last couple seasons, still the Chiefs managed to grab 2 more Super Bowls, they don't seem as concerned as the rest of us.
I think many forget how much the chiefs spread the ball around when they had a full compliment of WR.

Also IIRC Mahomes didn’t run much last year - I expect him to do more of that this year.

Again - I think Rice is a good WR and will have a good season. I liked him more when his ADP was in the 6th or later.

Folks talk a lot about drafting MH2 or Nico “at his ceiling” - Rice in the 4th is probably drafting him at his ceiling. And he may well hit that - but there are a lot more mouths to feed in the KC offense than there were in 2023. Not saying it can’t happen, but with a healthy Kelce, IMO he’s still the #1 target of that passing game.

I don’t know if Juju is anything to worry about, but Brown is a very good WR, and I think they’ll use Worthy as more than a 9-route guy.
WRs with 900+ yards as a rookie tend to have very very good careers. . . This is the last 25 receivers to do it. There are a few duds in there, but the hit rate is remarkable. And when you consider he started slow . . . I think people are significantly underestimating how good Rice can be.

Here is a link with the last 25 players to do it
1,100 yds and 8 TDs seems reasonable, whatever number of catches that adds up to on top.
We're talking 60-75 yds a game and a TD every other week.

Starting from Week 11 his rookie season...
11-8/107/TD
12-8/64
13-7/72/TD
14-9/91/TD
15-6/57
16-5/127
Was Inactive the Chiefs last hame because they had the Division wrapped up
43/500+/3TD
115/1,300/8TD was the pace he was setting at the end for an entire season and I realize he's not likely to actually hit that number in 2024. But it shows where he's at entering Year 2
Also has the endorsement of his QB, helped him win a Super Bowl, 26/260/TD during the Playoffs including the Ice Bowl 8/130/TD as Tyreek hill watched from the other sideline.
Yep - seems totally reasonable. And at least week 1 he's a slam dunk with Brown out. Maybe week 2 as well.
 
You forgot Rice when you mentioned rookie year stats. He pretty much had those exact stats (79, 938, 7). And he started very slowly last year and still put up those stats.

I don’t see how hoping Nabers puts up Rice’s rookie stats makes him more valuable than Rice going into year 2.

I see it as Nabers’ ceiling is Rice’s floor this year. I’ll take Rice 10 out of 10 times.
You forgot that when Rice did that, Moore was a bust, MVS wasn’t doing anything, Kelce was gimpy, Toney didn’t know where to line up, and they didn’t have Worthy or Hollywood, or a McKinnon role played by special guest star Perine.

Lot more competition for touches in KC.

But by all means, draft 10 teams and do take Rice all 10 over DKM & Nabers. They’re your teams. Enjoy.
I will never forget when McKinnon had more rec TDs than all the Chiefs WR combined a couple years ago. It goes to show how amazing Mahomes and the coaching staff was to win back to back Superbowls with arguably the worst WR room in the league.
 
I will never forget when McKinnon had more rec TDs than all the Chiefs WR combined a couple years ago. It goes to show how amazing Mahomes and the coaching staff was to win back to back Superbowls with arguably the worst WR room in the league.
Yep, totally. And thanks for the reminder - last year they didn't have anyone in the McKinnon role, and now that part will be played by very special guest star Samaje Perine. Yet another target syphon.
 
Give me the guy who trended up the back half of his rookie campaign with the best QB in the league and relatively little competition. Rice seems like a no-brainer IMO. The only thing dampening his value was his potential suspension and that ain't comin' this year. A solid WR2, ad steal at WR3 etc.
 
I will never forget when McKinnon had more rec TDs than all the Chiefs WR combined a couple years ago. It goes to show how amazing Mahomes and the coaching staff was to win back to back Superbowls with arguably the worst WR room in the league.
Yep, totally. And thanks for the reminder - last year they didn't have anyone in the McKinnon role, and now that part will be played by very special guest star Samaje Perine. Yet another target syphon.
Yeah and Rice played part of the McKinnon role last year. Close to 80% of his targets last season were either behind the line of scrimmage or within 0-9 yards. He was the top Chiefs WR in target rate and his open-target rate was awesome, like top 5 in the league. But the short plays were designed for him to be open and everything was simplified to get yards post catch.
 
Jacob Gibbs
Rashee Rice (8.3 YAC/REC) was the only WR who came close to matching Deebo Samuel (8.8) in 2023. Pretty impressive for a rookie!

He's not as powerful as Deebo, but that's his calling card. He sheds arm tackles easily. His feet are always pumping, churning out extra yards. He's a beast.

Rashee Rice actually averaged more yards per route run than Samuel did in 2023. This linked tweet (x.com/jagibbs_23/sta…) compares Rice's 2023 season to some other recent elite efficiency short-yardage seasons. You might notice that his average depth of target was WAY lower than anyone else's from this list.
 
I will never forget when McKinnon had more rec TDs than all the Chiefs WR combined a couple years ago. It goes to show how amazing Mahomes and the coaching staff was to win back to back Superbowls with arguably the worst WR room in the league.
Yep, totally. And thanks for the reminder - last year they didn't have anyone in the McKinnon role, and now that part will be played by very special guest star Samaje Perine. Yet another target syphon.
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
 
I find Rice versus Nico interesting. Nico had a great season on a great offense... but he's got Tank and Diggs competing for touches, Schultz is there, and the Texans brought in Mixon (better than the RBs in KC IMO).... yet Nico is ranked above Rice. The things people are dinging Rice on don't seem to be dings for Nico. And again... give me the #1 receiver for the best QB in the league.
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
I get your logic. Your following the logic of the most important factor in this silly hobby we love. Your using math. The math says your absolutely right. Another player added that will take opportunities away. For sure. I just fall back to the cream rising to the top in this specific case. Rice is by far the most talented pass catcher, outside maybe Kelce, on that roster. Perine, Worthy, and Brown aside, Rice is gonna eat. We saw that in the playoffs. That will continue this upcoming season.
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
We shall see!

I’m just glad enough people feel like you so Rice dropped in my drafts. It’s what makes this hobby fun.
 
I’m just glad enough people feel like you so Rice dropped in my drafts. It’s what makes this hobby fun.
Me feeling this way has nothing to do with Rice's ADP, and in fact his draft capital has steadily increased in the last few weeks due to fears of suspension. That was the reason his stock had fallen in redraft.

He's now going in the 4th round. My 1st redraft mid-August he was going in the 5-6 rounds. I've heard in June he was regularly available in the 7th & 8th rounds in NFFC drafts.
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
I get your logic. Your following the logic of the most important factor in this silly hobby we love. Your using math. The math says your absolutely right. Another player added that will take opportunities away. For sure. I just fall back to the cream rising to the top in this specific case. Rice is by far the most talented pass catcher, outside maybe Kelce, on that roster. Perine, Worthy, and Brown aside, Rice is gonna eat. We saw that in the playoffs. That will continue this upcoming season.
I don't disagree. But IMO the "most important" factor is Andy Reid, and what he wants to do. Rice will be effective if Reid calls a good offensive scheme.

And Andy Reid loves throwing to the RBs. Always has. I am as confident that Perine will have a decent target share as I am about anything else in that offense.
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
I get your logic. Your following the logic of the most important factor in this silly hobby we love. Your using math. The math says your absolutely right. Another player added that will take opportunities away. For sure. I just fall back to the cream rising to the top in this specific case. Rice is by far the most talented pass catcher, outside maybe Kelce, on that roster. Perine, Worthy, and Brown aside, Rice is gonna eat. We saw that in the playoffs. That will continue this upcoming season.
I don't disagree. But IMO the "most important" factor is Andy Reid, and what he wants to do. Rice will be effective if Reid calls a good offensive scheme.

And Andy Reid loves throwing to the RBs. Always has. I am as confident that Perine will have a decent target share as I am about anything else in that offense.
Yep. Another thing about Reid is he is smart and has always adjusted. I'd guess he liked what he saw using Rice to feed his desire to throw to the rbs. It got him another Superbowl. Good discussion bro.
 
FWIW, here’s what an analyst on another site says about Perine.

Add (Big Bucks)Samaje Perine, RB KC​

This is another case of me reversing course on a prior opinion, which late last season saw me refer to Perine as a candidate for dropping to waiver wires. The logic at the time was fairly straightforward – he couldn’t beat out an inefficient Javonte Williams who labored through the entirety of the season, and also appeared to have been leapfrogged by UDFA Jaleel McLaughlin. Particularly for leagues with shallower benches, you simply don’t have the luxury of rostering a team’s RB3.

Well not only has Perine gone from the outhouse to the penthouse in being picked up by the division rival Chiefs, but he also may already be the team’s RB2 following teammate Clyde Edwards-Helaire’s unfortunate bout with PTSD. To be clear, I’m not one of the Chicken Littles who views him as a threat to RB1 Isiah Pacheco, but Perine has the ability to skate past Carson Steele and establish himself in the pecking order. Undrafted in three of the six mock drafts comprising the August DLF ADP, there’s a chance he’s available – I’d be willing to spend 15-20% of my FAAB to see what Perine might have to offer.
Like I said, it’s all in the framing.
 
I’m just glad enough people feel like you so Rice dropped in my drafts. It’s what makes this hobby fun.
Me feeling this way has nothing to do with Rice's ADP, and in fact his draft capital has steadily increased in the last few weeks due to fears of suspension. That was the reason his stock had fallen in redraft.

He's now going in the 4th round. My 1st redraft mid-August he was going in the 5-6 rounds. I've heard in June he was regularly available in the 7th & 8th rounds in NFFC drafts.
I drafted last weekend and got him in the 6th in three drafts :shrug:

I agree his ADP is rising, but there's more to his depressed price than JUST his potential suspension. There's a lot of folks like you who see the additions to the KC offense and think that's going to have a big affect on him. And that makes sense.
 
I was able to get him at 5.02 a week ago (Diggs, Higgins, Pickens, Dell, Ridley were the next taken).
Yesterday, I was in a draft where he went 4.02 -- before all of the above and also before Nabers, Devonta, DK, Pittman, Waddle, McLaurin.
 
I agree his ADP is rising, but there's more to his depressed price than JUST his potential suspension. There's a lot of folks like you who see the additions to the KC offense and think that's going to have a big affect on him. And that makes sense.
Remarkable. He’s been a steady 4th rounder in every NFFC draft I’ve done. He went mid-3rd in a BB draft yesterday.
 
I agree his ADP is rising, but there's more to his depressed price than JUST his potential suspension. There's a lot of folks like you who see the additions to the KC offense and think that's going to have a big affect on him. And that makes sense.
Remarkable. He’s been a steady 4th rounder in every NFFC draft I’ve done. He went mid-3rd in a BB draft yesterday.
I agree mid-third is a bit rich...
 
I will never forget when McKinnon had more rec TDs than all the Chiefs WR combined a couple years ago. It goes to show how amazing Mahomes and the coaching staff was to win back to back Superbowls with arguably the worst WR room in the league.
Yep, totally. And thanks for the reminder - last year they didn't have anyone in the McKinnon role, and now that part will be played by very special guest star Samaje Perine. Yet another target syphon.
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
That pretty much described McKinnon as well when he joined the Chiefs, his 3rd team by then, and look how that turned out. Same age as Perine when he joined.
 
Now we are worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn’t even find a spot on the Broncos’ roster cutting into Rice’s receptions?
It's all in the framing I suppose. You're not worried about a 29 year old RB on his 5th team who couldn't find a spot on the broncos.

I'm opining that the Chiefs brought in a talented receiving specialist to fill a role that Andy Reid has favored his entire time in KC. As a previous Pacheco owner I vividly recall Reid pulling Pacheco at the stripe or inside 5 yards to go with a swing pass or toss play to McKinnon pretty often.

Ignore that at your FF peril.

I have no dog in this race so I'm "worried" about neither. Just reading the tea leaves. They didn't bring in Perine to hold Reid's clipboard.
No they did not. They brought him to hold CEH's clipboard.
 
I find Rice versus Nico interesting. Nico had a great season on a great offense... but he's got Tank and Diggs competing for touches, Schultz is there, and the Texans brought in Mixon (better than the RBs in KC IMO).... yet Nico is ranked above Rice. The things people are dinging Rice on don't seem to be dings for Nico. And again... give me the #1 receiver for the best QB in the league.
I think the principal difference here is people view Nico as a legitimate Alpha X receiver whose role will remain as the first read on the majority of Houston's pass plays.

I think they believe Nico would maintain that role on most other teams that didn't have a CeeDee/JJ etc guy already there, including the Chiefs.

I think people believe the Texans do not have another guy like that, if the rumors about Diggs's decline are true.

I don't think people view Rashee as the same kind of physical talent as Nico is and view him as something close to a system WR. He may be the Brock Purdy of WRs, but so long as Mahomes is throwing to him that should turn out just fine.
 

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