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WR Rashee Rice, KC (1 Viewer)

How long was Kamara in limbo? Pro Bowl to two TC later, so about 19 months? Rice may be unaffected by suspension in 2024.

Or is that a bad comp with different knowns/unknowns?
I think its completely on the table that Rice doesn't get suspended in 2024. I also think its very reasonable that his role is smaller regardless as Brown/Worthy>MVS/Watson(?). Its very possible 2023 goes down as his career best season.
I don’t.

Has the matter been resolved criminally?

Until that happens I doubt the NFL acts. But they might.
I don’t think the NFL does anything until the legal system is done with the case. That’s how they have handled just about everything prior to this. Rice only has 1 case now, the photographer from the 2nd incident decided not to press charges. I think Rice plays all of 2024.
So all that he did in the car crash is forgiven? Or will they wait until 2025 to suspend him?
I just think the league has shown they almost always prefer to wait until the courts have finished. These things move slow so my guess is 2025 is when we see the suspension.
That seems a little late to me. Do we have a case in the past where someone does something to get suspended before the season starts, but the suspension isn't given until the following season?
Alvin Kamara is the most recent one that comes to mind. Was in a fight Feb 2022. Was suspended for the 2023 season.
Funny how quickly we remove things from our brain. How seriously did he hurt the guy he fought with?

Darnell Greene suffered severe injuries to his neck, back, head, shoulder, knees, and face. Medical testing confirmed a disfiguring facial fracture to Greene's right orbital bone, blunt force trauma to his head, multiple disc protrusions, and structural tears in his shoulder.

18 months later Kamara agreed to plead no contest to a misdemeanor charge of breach of peace for his involvement in a 2022 fight in Las Vegas, according to court records.

Not sure about the three other assailants plea deals.
it does seem the NFL has turned a leaf and began allowing the legal process to play out before they come for their pound of flesh... unless there actions are pretty bad.
Karama and boys got into a bar fight and we really don't know who started what. In the end there was a plea deal and the guy got paid, thats not very bad to me, it happens.

Rice's action on the other hand are despicable... he could of killed multiple people and he didn't even give a care; he collected what we assume were illegal items from those cars and literally walked away while people were injured. He's facing what 8 charges collision injury and somehow is pretty much getting away with the leaving the scene.
The lack of media coverage is kinda of crazy, probably because the kid got super lucky that nobody was seriously injured.
He was charged in April, 3 months ago, what the heck is taking so long to goto trail
 
How long was Kamara in limbo? Pro Bowl to two TC later, so about 19 months? Rice may be unaffected by suspension in 2024.

Or is that a bad comp with different knowns/unknowns?
I think its completely on the table that Rice doesn't get suspended in 2024. I also think its very reasonable that his role is smaller regardless as Brown/Worthy>MVS/Watson(?). Its very possible 2023 goes down as his career best season.
I don’t.

Has the matter been resolved criminally?

Until that happens I doubt the NFL acts. But they might.
I don’t think the NFL does anything until the legal system is done with the case. That’s how they have handled just about everything prior to this. Rice only has 1 case now, the photographer from the 2nd incident decided not to press charges. I think Rice plays all of 2024.
So all that he did in the car crash is forgiven? Or will they wait until 2025 to suspend him?
I just think the league has shown they almost always prefer to wait until the courts have finished. These things move slow so my guess is 2025 is when we see the suspension.
That seems a little late to me. Do we have a case in the past where someone does something to get suspended before the season starts, but the suspension isn't given until the following season?
Alvin Kamara is the most recent one that comes to mind. Was in a fight Feb 2022. Was suspended for the 2023 season.
Funny how quickly we remove things from our brain. How seriously did he hurt the guy he fought with?

Darnell Greene suffered severe injuries to his neck, back, head, shoulder, knees, and face. Medical testing confirmed a disfiguring facial fracture to Greene's right orbital bone, blunt force trauma to his head, multiple disc protrusions, and structural tears in his shoulder.

18 months later Kamara agreed to plead no contest to a misdemeanor charge of breach of peace for his involvement in a 2022 fight in Las Vegas, according to court records.

Not sure about the three other assailants plea deals.
it does seem the NFL has turned a leaf and began allowing the legal process to play out before they come for their pound of flesh... unless there actions are pretty bad.
Karama and boys got into a bar fight and we really don't know who started what. In the end there was a plea deal and the guy got paid, thats not very bad to me, it happens.

Rice's action on the other hand are despicable... he could of killed multiple people and he didn't even give a care; he collected what we assume were illegal items from those cars and literally walked away while people were injured. He's facing what 8 charges collision injury and somehow is pretty much getting away with the leaving the scene.
The lack of media coverage is kinda of crazy, probably because the kid got super lucky that nobody was seriously injured.
He was charged in April, 3 months ago, what the heck is taking so long to goto trail
I agree they are different but Kamara’s wasn’t just a bar fight. It was a 4 on 1 beat down. Supposedly including striking him when he was already unconscious. Less a fight and more a guy got jumped.
 
it does seem the NFL has turned a leaf and began allowing the legal process to play out before they come for their pound of flesh... unless there actions are pretty bad.
IIRC that’s long been their MO. At least throughout the Goodell era.
NFL has been letting legal process play out before giving suspensions for as long as I can remember.

The decision to use methods to make the player go away while things are unresolved is NOT directly related to how bad the actions of the player is, it's directly related to the public outrage over the bad action of the player. It's really a form of mob justice.

In Rice's case despite women and children involved in the accident he helped cause people don't view this as attacking women or children. No type of sexual attack. We don't have angry women's groups saying the NFL does not care about women. No PETA people. No Jenny Vrentas deciding to do a hit piece on you. This is exactly like Kamara's situation where we all saw what the player did but there just is not enough outrage to make the NFL do anything before the legal process is wrapped up.
 
@32BeatWriters
"The return of the Chiefs' deep passing game was an area of emphasis throughout the offseason training program, and right on cue, it was working well during Tuesday's practice.

Three instances stood out in particular, beginning with a beautiful pitch-and-catch between Mahomes and Rashee Rice during 11-on-11 drills. Mahomes found Rice in-stride deep down the sideline despite good coverage, completing one of the practice's top plays."
 
Graham Barfield
Three notes on the Rashee Rice situation:

1) Rapoport noted during the draft that there was a chance Rice avoids suspension in 2024 due to timing

2) Rice’s first court date is set for Dec 9

3) Chiefs owner just said there has been no word from the NFL on possible suspension
 
Rashee Rice In A Tweet:


From Pete Sweeney:

Interesting 5-minute sequence for Rashee Rice during 11-on-11: Rice catches pass from Patrick Mahomes then Rice throws a ball at Jack Cochrane’s helmet. Cochrane takes exception and shoves Rice. Then Rice gets sick on the sideline.
 
So, hypothetically, let's assume Rashee Rice doesn't get suspended at all in 2024. Where do we rank him? Top-20? Top-15? Top-10?

Feels more and more like this is gonna be another Kamara situation where any punishment is likely to happen in 2025. So, if it does, Rice could be a league winner at his current ADP which is among the likes of Diontae Johnson and Calvin Ridley.
 
So, hypothetically, let's assume Rashee Rice doesn't get suspended at all in 2024. Where do we rank him? Top-20? Top-15? Top-10?

Feels more and more like this is gonna be another Kamara situation where any punishment is likely to happen in 2025. So, if it does, Rice could be a league winner at his current ADP which is among the likes of Diontae Johnson and Calvin Ridley.
Ya he's definitely worth the risk now. By September drafts, we might have some more clarity, but I do have a gut feeling that he's going to play the majority of this season.
 
Yeah, looks like no suspension in 2024 is the likely outcome at this point. But Hollywood Brown and Worthy mean less targets for Rice this year, so still hard for me to view him as a top 24 receiver, much less a league winner. But yeah, definitely more valuable and ADP will go up.
 
Yeah, looks like no suspension in 2024 is the likely outcome at this point. But Hollywood Brown and Worthy mean less targets for Rice this year, so still hard for me to view him as a top 24 receiver, much less a league winner. But yeah, definitely more valuable and ADP will go up.
How much do you knock him down for them adding Brown and Worthy though?

Rice was a top 10 fantasy WR for the 2nd half of the season last year.... you seem him dropping way down from top 10 to out of the top 25 because of worthy+brown?
 
Rice is a Dynasty buy-low.

1. Brown and Worthy are deep, big-play guys while Rice's game is underneath.
2. Kelce is 34 and showed signs of aging last year. He is currently the top "underneath" option.
3. He can block unlike Brown or Worthy.
4. In 3 years since Tyreek, one WR gained the trust of Reid/Mahomes. That was a rookie and by mid-season: Rashee Rice.
 
Yeah, looks like no suspension in 2024 is the likely outcome at this point. But Hollywood Brown and Worthy mean less targets for Rice this year, so still hard for me to view him as a top 24 receiver, much less a league winner. But yeah, definitely more valuable and ADP will go up.
How much do you knock him down for them adding Brown and Worthy though?

Rice was a top 10 fantasy WR for the 2nd half of the season last year.... you seem him dropping way down from top 10 to out of the top 25 because of worthy+brown?
Yeah. Him and Kelce and nobody else last year. MVS, Justin Watson, Toney, Hardman. Brown is light years better than any of them and they traded up to get Worthy. Kelce still there. Good running game. Just don’t see anywhere near the targets he got last year.
 
Rice is a Dynasty buy-low.

1. Brown and Worthy are deep, big-play guys while Rice's game is underneath.
2. Kelce is 34 and showed signs of aging last year. He is currently the top "underneath" option.
3. He can block unlike Brown or Worthy.
4. In 3 years since Tyreek, one WR gained the trust of Reid/Mahomes. That was a rookie and by mid-season: Rashee Rice.
I tried to buy low.

Alas, no one told his current shareholders this, so sadly they aren’t selling low.

Best of luck with that.
 
Rice is a Dynasty buy-low.

1. Brown and Worthy are deep, big-play guys while Rice's game is underneath.
2. Kelce is 34 and showed signs of aging last year. He is currently the top "underneath" option.
3. He can block unlike Brown or Worthy.
4. In 3 years since Tyreek, one WR gained the trust of Reid/Mahomes. That was a rookie and by mid-season: Rashee Rice.
Well, they literally had no other WR with even average talent last year. Of course he was the best option. Not the case this year. Less targets.
 
Rice is a Dynasty buy-low.

1. Brown and Worthy are deep, big-play guys while Rice's game is underneath.
2. Kelce is 34 and showed signs of aging last year. He is currently the top "underneath" option.
3. He can block unlike Brown or Worthy.
4. In 3 years since Tyreek, one WR gained the trust of Reid/Mahomes. That was a rookie and by mid-season: Rashee Rice.
Well, they literally had no other WR with even average talent last year. Of course he was the best option. Not the case this year. Less targets.
I don't think we knew that until they played football. I'm fairly certain KC didn't go into the last 3 years saying "We're going to be awful at WR until that kid from SMU graduates."
 
Been doing best ball drafts since March. Rice was going around the 2-3 turn before the issues. After he fell to the 7th round (now typically going in the 6th) where he's my favorite option. I like the bet on KC passing game bouncing back strong. Even with Hollywood and Xavier in town, figure Rice will earn 9-10 targets per game. Has chemistry with Mahomes and is a dynamic player.

Sans suspension, I think he will produce in the top 12 WR territory in the mix with Olave, London, Adams. Exposure in Best Ball is dangerously high at 37% over my last 200 drafts. He's my most drafted player.

It's a concern for playoffs matched up vs a tough Steeler D week 17, but last time Mahomes played in Pittsburgh he scored 6 TD. Would take a Christmas miracle to repeat that.
 
...and now, what?
(Hollywood Brown potentially starting the year on IR, with the same shoulder dislocation Tyreek Hill suffered in the 2019 Season Opener, from which he didn't return to action until Week 6)?
 
[@SharpFootball]

Andy Reid compared Hollywood Brown’s injury to Tyreek Hill’s…

Hill was injured on 9/8 and didn’t return to action until 10/13…

that was 35 days before playing in another game

a similar timeline for Brown would not have him ready for his Week 1 debut on 9/5
 
Been doing best ball drafts since March. Rice was going around the 2-3 turn before the issues. After he fell to the 7th round (now typically going in the 6th) where he's my favorite option. I like the bet on KC passing game bouncing back strong. Even with Hollywood and Xavier in town, figure Rice will earn 9-10 targets per game. Has chemistry with Mahomes and is a dynamic player.

Sans suspension, I think he will produce in the top 12 WR territory in the mix with Olave, London, Adams. Exposure in Best Ball is dangerously high at 37% over my last 200 drafts. He's my most drafted player.

It's a concern for playoffs matched up vs a tough Steeler D week 17, but last time Mahomes played in Pittsburgh he scored 6 TD. Would take a Christmas miracle to repeat that.

Unless a lot of people get hurt I don't see Rice getting 160+ targets this year. Only 7 guys last year did that, plus Mahomes spreads it around too much.

Barring a suspense though Rice should crush his ADP.
 
Due to the length of time to get through the court system, suspension is almost certainly a 2025 thing, right?

I am kind of hoping they put Brown on IR-R, because it would allow him to fully heal. Tyreek (same injury 5 years ago) is freaking rocked up, Hollywood is a twig.

Would also be nice to see Rice start the year strong.

Worthy doesn’t have much of a route tree, can’t see him commanding more than 2-3 targets a week. Couple bubble screens and sacrificial X, wind sprints all day to clear out underneath, chuck it to him 1-2x a week.
 
Been doing best ball drafts since March. Rice was going around the 2-3 turn before the issues. After he fell to the 7th round (now typically going in the 6th) where he's my favorite option. I like the bet on KC passing game bouncing back strong. Even with Hollywood and Xavier in town, figure Rice will earn 9-10 targets per game. Has chemistry with Mahomes and is a dynamic player.

Sans suspension, I think he will produce in the top 12 WR territory in the mix with Olave, London, Adams. Exposure in Best Ball is dangerously high at 37% over my last 200 drafts. He's my most drafted player.

It's a concern for playoffs matched up vs a tough Steeler D week 17, but last time Mahomes played in Pittsburgh he scored 6 TD. Would take a Christmas miracle to repeat that.

Unless a lot of people get hurt I don't see Rice getting 160+ targets this year. Only 7 guys last year did that, plus Mahomes spreads it around too much.

Barring a suspense though Rice should crush his ADP.
I’ve been wrong many times and certainly going against the grain on this call. It is what I believe will happen.

Fading Kelce since he seems more interested in partying. I would too in his position. He doesn’t have anything left to prove.
Hollywood is underrated and like him having a big role.
Worthy developing and will get manufactured touches.
Rice is the WR primed to dominate targets and he produces. All in.
 
50.9% of his routes were concentrated at the LOS: screens, slants or flats

That’s not a route tree that’s a route bush
Which makes him perfect for Mahomes who has the most yards and TDs on screens since 2018. Huge part of Reid's O.

For sure. The execution is very effective.
  • Deep (20+) 1/6 67-0 73.6 NFL passer rating
  • Intermediate (10-19) 13/16 214-2 112.0
  • Short (0-9) 38/50 420-3 2 drops 2 fum 1 INT 0/5 on contested catches 112.7
  • Behind LOS 27/28 237-2 averaged 11.5 YAC per reception 125.7
But he's not a wide receiver who can run all the routes. Which at a minimum makes it interesting that 2/3rds of their 11 personnel WR snap counts will be soaked by guys with some serious limitations to their route running. Worthy, like RR, had mostly manufactured, near the LOS touches in college as well.

Worthy (Texas)
  • Deep (20+) 5/19 196-2 1 INT 2/7 on contested catches 83.2 NFL passer rating
  • Intermediate (10-19) 14/22 268-1 1 INT 1/5 on contested catches 102.1
  • Short (0-9) 22/33 234-1 4 drops 2/8 on contested catches 97.3
  • Behind LOS 26/29 185-1 1 drop 1 fum 9.9 YAC per reception 125.7
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Where do you think he'd go if there was absolutely positively no doubt about no risk of a suspension this season? What range of WR?

Curious about this and was discussing with a friend of mine but way back in February he was going in mid third of FFPC as WR17. Since then they've added Brown and Worthy so stands to reason he'd be at least a little lower, and I say that fully understanding his role is different then those WR's, but only one ball. In this same format he's going as WR22 now which seems reasonable to me since he's unlikely to get suspended this year but it's nothing I'd be betting my life on not happening.
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Much appreciate both of these posts, I thought I was the only one who was way overshooting him compared to his ADP from likely a month ago
Brown is down, Rookie lined up across from him, he's already been thru it last season.
Could be a big year

85/1,000/8TD isn't tons more than he produced last year, maybe he can get even higher
Seems like a solid WR2/3 type
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Where do you think he'd go if there was absolutely positively no doubt about no risk of a suspension this season? What range of WR?

Curious about this and was discussing with a friend of mine but way back in February he was going in mid third of FFPC as WR17. Since then they've added Brown and Worthy so stands to reason he'd be at least a little lower, and I say that fully understanding his role is different then those WR's, but only one ball. In this same format he's going as WR22 now which seems reasonable to me since he's unlikely to get suspended this year but it's nothing I'd be betting my life on not happening.
That sounds about right to me, though I could convince myself to draft him ahead of most of the WR2 guys right now - Waddle, Moore, Cooper, D. Smith - those guys.

Assuming there is zero chance of suspension. I’m very risk averse early so the suspension risk pushes him down for me.
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Where do you think he'd go if there was absolutely positively no doubt about no risk of a suspension this season? What range of WR?

Curious about this and was discussing with a friend of mine but way back in February he was going in mid third of FFPC as WR17. Since then they've added Brown and Worthy so stands to reason he'd be at least a little lower, and I say that fully understanding his role is different then those WR's, but only one ball. In this same format he's going as WR22 now which seems reasonable to me since he's unlikely to get suspended this year but it's nothing I'd be betting my life on not happening.
I'd say mid 3rd.
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Much appreciate both of these posts, I thought I was the only one who was way overshooting him compared to his ADP from likely a month ago
Brown is down, Rookie lined up across from him, he's already been thru it last season.
Could be a big year

85/1,000/8TD isn't tons more than he produced last year, maybe he can get even higher
Seems like a solid WR2/3 type
1,000 yards and 7-8 TD’s is a massive tier of WR’s. Seems he’s getting more hype than those guys.
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Much appreciate both of these posts, I thought I was the only one who was way overshooting him compared to his ADP from likely a month ago
Brown is down, Rookie lined up across from him, he's already been thru it last season.
Could be a big year

85/1,000/8TD isn't tons more than he produced last year, maybe he can get even higher
Seems like a solid WR2/3 type
1,000 yards and 7-8 TD’s is a massive tier of WR’s. Seems he’s getting more hype than those guys.
Yes, I wouldn't guess that he's a threat for top fantasy WR status, but on the other hand, we are assuming his targets are capped because of surrounding talent, but maybe Kelce falls off, maybe Hollywood is a 3-4 target guy, maybe Worthy isn't ready for a lot of action. He won't need all those things to happen for him to be a WR1.
On the other hand, I feel like Xavier Worthy is a lock to be a useful/good NFL player (fantasy being completely separate).
On the other hand, if they have Hollywood, Worthy, and Kelce out there, teams are playing zone. Everyone is playing zone to take away the long play. Rice might just be skipping through soft zones all year, wide open. Guy won't be double-teamed all year long.
 
Took him in the 4th. I think the word is out. He would not have lasted through the 5th in my league.
I’ve been getting him in the 6th. Doesn’t make sense to me that he’s lasting that long.
Much appreciate both of these posts, I thought I was the only one who was way overshooting him compared to his ADP from likely a month ago
Brown is down, Rookie lined up across from him, he's already been thru it last season.
Could be a big year

85/1,000/8TD isn't tons more than he produced last year, maybe he can get even higher
Seems like a solid WR2/3 type
1,000 yards and 7-8 TD’s is a massive tier of WR’s. Seems he’s getting more hype than those guys.
I think it might be because those prjected numbers feel like the floor for Rice if he's on the field all season where as that same projection would be the ceiling on some others
 
I have to find the stat but someone said from like week 9-10 last year to the end, Rice outplayed Kelce for targets, yards and TDs. Have to go see if that's true.

Week 11 was the first week back from bye. From week 11-17 (neither played in 18), here's the stats.

Week 11-17 Targets Catches Yards TDs
R Rice 61 47 560 3
T Kelce 49 36 387 1
 
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X and Hollywood are exactly what Rice and Kelce need to start cooking with gas this year. And obvously, all that spells a monster 2024 Mahomie.
 
X and Hollywood are exactly what Rice and Kelce need to start cooking with gas this year. And obvously, all that spells a monster 2024 Mahomie.
This offense has the potential to be the best since it had Hill. I might have to start considering Mahomes early in drafts. Not my style usually but it has me thinking, especially if Rice plays the whole year.
 
I worry Rice was a product of limited options last year. He is a player I am having a hard time predicting. Mahomes is the only Chief that feels safe
 
X and Hollywood are exactly what Rice and Kelce need to start cooking with gas this year. And obvously, all that spells a monster 2024 Mahomie.
probably right. against zone D, X runs the clearing route and Hollywood would cut in under. if the defender goes deep to protect against the big play by X, hollywood gets the ball. if he pauses or plays hollywood, X gets the ball for a nice, long, TD.

Rashee on the other side means its hard to pivot coverage over to the other side to help.
 
Rice looks great with he ball in his hand, he reminds me of a poor mans deebo. Hes solid and does not dance around. He has developed trust from Mahomes and Reid, this dude is a 2nd year WR that Mahomes requested they draft. This dude is going to BALL OUT this year, I am trying to scoop him up in any league I can.
 
Albert Breer
NFL's Jeff Miller says, on Chiefs WR Rashee Rice, that the league is "closely following all developments in the matter" and that it remains under review. Says they probably won't have much to say as Rice's situation is under investigation.
 
I worry Rice was a product of limited options last year. He is a player I am having a hard time predicting. Mahomes is the only Chief that feels safe
I think Kelce has a pretty strong floor of a top-6 or so tight end even if he isn't what he was a couple of years ago. In other words, I'd feel safe about grabbing Kelce in the 4th after Laporta and maybe McBride or Kincaid are off the board.
 
Local league last night mostly casual drafters Rice went 8.03 as my WR5 in a 12 Team redraft start 2WR with 2Flex. Guys were fading him because of legal issues. Wouldn't count on him falling that far, but be ready to scoop him up when he does.
 
as far as the legal stuff....we have to remember there is another vehicle involved and probably charges pending there and it may take some time to sift through the "who was the most responsible" so to speak.... for all that happened in each individual aspect of the accident....it wasn't just Rice who was negligent and responsible here....he has been charged and it will play out....but probably nothing that affects him on the field until 2025.....even though that will make people mad....(it would probably be the same if this exact same accident involved just "regular" citizens)....legal sysytem is brutally slow from top to bottom....

on the field....in one preseason game I think Mahomes hit him 5-6 times in the very first quarter.....on like two drives with other starters in there...all systems go....he gonna eat...
 

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