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WR Rashod Bateman, BAL (1 Viewer)

I wouldn’t plan on seeing Bateman on a field for a while. Looks like the core muscle was not an insignificant injury with the groin after all. Yikes.  :unsure:

per Rotoworld: 

“Bateman is undergoing core muscle surgery. He'll reportedly return "in September," though that doesn't include the number of weeks it could take for Bateman to return to full form. A finesse receiver who recorded 36 broken tackles on 147 career catches in the Big Ten, Bateman's injury is obviously a worrisome one for his immediate re-draft outlook. He should be shied away from on shallower benches with an eye towards his production over the second half of the season.”

 
I wouldn’t plan on seeing Bateman on a field for a while. Looks like the core muscle was not an insignificant injury with the groin after all. Yikes.  :unsure:

per Rotoworld: 

“Bateman is undergoing core muscle surgery. He'll reportedly return "in September," though that doesn't include the number of weeks it could take for Bateman to return to full form. A finesse receiver who recorded 36 broken tackles on 147 career catches in the Big Ten, Bateman's injury is obviously a worrisome one for his immediate re-draft outlook. He should be shied away from on shallower benches with an eye towards his production over the second half of the season.”
When did he become a finesse receiver? When he had his measurements taken on his pro day? Because he was considered a "big" receiver and utilized that way before then.

 
When did he become a finesse receiver? When he had his measurements taken on his pro day? Because he was considered a "big" receiver and utilized that way before then.
No idea. I was more focused on the surgery part & honestly read right through that. 

they might be. CBS product now, but Rotoworld gonna Rotoworld I guess. :shrug:  

 
I wouldn’t plan on seeing Bateman on a field for a while. Looks like the core muscle was not an insignificant injury with the groin after all. Yikes.  :unsure:

per Rotoworld: 

“Bateman is undergoing core muscle surgery. He'll reportedly return "in September," though that doesn't include the number of weeks it could take for Bateman to return to full form. A finesse receiver who recorded 36 broken tackles on 147 career catches in the Big Ten, Bateman's injury is obviously a worrisome one for his immediate re-draft outlook. He should be shied away from on shallower benches with an eye towards his production over the second half of the season.”


There seems to be so much information missing in this blurb - of course what's there doesn't sound good at all. I didn't really see him as a "great" redraft option anyway, but I think he's now undraftable.

 
There seems to be so much information missing in this blurb - of course what's there doesn't sound good at all. I didn't really see him as a "great" redraft option anyway, but I think he's now undraftable.
Agree on both points.

They’re doing surgery on the core muscle, but what about the groin strain? 

I suspect the groin might be the lesser of two injuries & by the time he’s recovered from surgery that’ll work itself out. 

But yeah - undraftable in redraft. He’s not going to be anywhere near football shape after this.  From what I’ve read, core muscle injuries are brutal in that you can’t really do anything during rehab. 

 
Agree on both points.

They’re doing surgery on the core muscle, but what about the groin strain? 

I suspect the groin might be the lesser of two injuries & by the time he’s recovered from surgery that’ll work itself out. 

But yeah - undraftable in redraft. He’s not going to be anywhere near football shape after this.  From what I’ve read, core muscle injuries are brutal in that you can’t really do anything during rehab. 


I think (and I'm not really a doctor despite my screen name  :unsure: ) a hernia could be considered a core injury - so it could be groin related. The blurb just seems half baked though.

 
I think (and I'm not really a doctor despite my screen name  :unsure: ) a hernia could be considered a core injury - so it could be groin related. The blurb just seems half baked though.
Kinda sorta related.

Hernia = Lower abdominal wall tear

Fore muscles = abs, lower back, stomach, hips

So it is possible it’s all the same injury - that he sustained a bad enough core muscle tear that the abdominal wall ripped and a hernia resulted.

also not a doctor, but just had Hernia surgery in March, so learned a lot. And I stayed at a Holliday Inn last night.  👍🏼

I’m sure we’ll hear more detail later. 

 
Agree on both points.

They’re doing surgery on the core muscle, but what about the groin strain? 

I suspect the groin might be the lesser of two injuries & by the time he’s recovered from surgery that’ll work itself out. 

But yeah - undraftable in redraft. He’s not going to be anywhere near football shape after this.  From what I’ve read, core muscle injuries are brutal in that you can’t really do anything during rehab. 
I actually view the surgery as good news, it's gives a better timeline.

 
The Bateman injury situation was being discussed this AM on Sirius/XM (Jeff Ratcliffe show)...he emphasized that most of the reports were only piecing out Harbaugh's response to the media. While he didn't play the audio, Ratcliffe did read the full quote. I'd have to paraphrase, but apparently the full quote included that Bateman would be missing  a number of weeks, although Harbaugh didn't know how many, and apparently he emphasized weeks, not months.

I don't have time to do any research about this, but figured I'd put it out there, in case anyone with time wanted to do some sleuthing.

 
I actually view the surgery as good news, it's gives a better timeline.
thats certainly both true & an optimistic approach. 

Unfortunately it’s a long timeline. Longer than a minor strain that didn’t require surgery. 

More upside, less chance to re-injury it as compared to rehab alone.

 
The Bateman injury situation was being discussed this AM on Sirius/XM (Jeff Ratcliffe show)...he emphasized that most of the reports were only piecing out Harbaugh's response to the media. While he didn't play the audio, Ratcliffe did read the full quote. I'd have to paraphrase, but apparently the full quote included that Bateman would be missing  a number of weeks, although Harbaugh didn't know how many, and apparently he emphasized weeks, not months.

I don't have time to do any research about this, but figured I'd put it out there, in case anyone with time wanted to do some sleuthing.
I think Harbaugh is being very optimistic. I also suspect he’s talking about returning to the team, and not necessarily to the field. 

It’s possible that it’s a minor tear I won’t take very long. But any size tear is a “don’t lift more than 10 lbs foe 3-5 weeks or you’ll rip it again” kind of rehab. 2 weeks no running, no stretching. 

Bateman is going to be a potato while he heals up. that’s gonna take a minute to shake off. 

I’m interested in learning more specifics about the injury so we can get a better feel for the timeline, but I’d be surprised if it were less than 6 weeks until we see him play.  Which honestly wouldn’t be too bad - that’s what, 2 in-season games? Maybe 3? 

 
Update: 

“RASHOD BATEMANWR, BALTIMORE RAVENS

The Athletic's Jeff Zrebiec believes it is "more realistic" that Rashod Bateman (core muscle surgery) begins the season on injured reserve than suits up for Week 1. 

Coach John Harbaugh has tried to create the impression Bateman still has a shot at being ready for the opener, but that is in less than one month. 6-8 weeks has been considered the more likely timeframe and beginning the year on injured reserve and missing the minimum of three games would have Bateman returning after seven weeks. Fantasy managers should consider that by far the more probable outcome than the No. 27 overall pick being out there for Week 1.”

 
All I'm going to say is don't write him off. I remember when I didn't draft or target Odell Beckham Jr off the waiver wire because he was hurt early. Then he goes on to #### on everybody and people rode him to a championship.

Just pointing out this isn't a kiss of death.


I have him on a dynasty roster - it was very un-likely that he was ever going to crack my line-up anyway (DK Metcalf, Devante Adams, Amari Cooper, Marvin Jones...) - but as much as I would love that to be the case. I'm not seeing it.

This is very very different from the OBJ scenario since the injury is far worse than OBJs hamstring (he was mostly being held out as a precaution) and Jackson is not as established as a passer as Eli was at that point in his career. I think this will mostly be a lost season for Bateman. I'm just hoping he comes back and shows he can play in the NFL - but would not count on him ever being in my line-up. 

 
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I have him on a dynasty roster - it was very un-likely that he was never going to crack my line-up anyway (DK Metcalf, Devante Adams, Amari Cooper, Marvin Jones...) - but as much as I would love that to be the case. I'm not seeing it.

This is very very different from the OBJ scenario since the injury is far worse than OBJs hamstring (he was being help out as a precaution) and Jackson is not as established as a passer as Eli was at that point in his career. I think this will mostly be a lost season for Bateman. I'm just hoping he comes back and shows he can play in the NFL - but would not count on him in my line-up. 
Yeah I agree. So serious question is there anything else to see here from a thread management POV? Is this thing just going to sit around until we get some kind of progress report on his surgery/rehab/etc? Or is it time to merge into his main thread already? I'm not clear on this. @Joe Bryant?

 
Yeah I agree. So serious question is there anything else to see here from a thread management POV? Is this thing just going to sit around until we get some kind of progress report on his surgery/rehab/etc? Or is it time to merge into his main thread already? I'm not clear on this. @Joe Bryant?
Good point. I don’t know how hard or easy it is to manage these things but I agree.

At this point he’s either a late round flier or should go undrafted (which is how I see it). This thread is no longer fantasy relevant until we know for sure when he’s coming back.

 
barackdhouse said:
Yeah I agree. So serious question is there anything else to see here from a thread management POV? Is this thing just going to sit around until we get some kind of progress report on his surgery/rehab/etc? Or is it time to merge into his main thread already? I'm not clear on this. @Joe Bryant?
Done. Working on some plans on how to do this better for the future. 

 
Done. Working on some plans on how to do this better for the future. 


I have a suggestion that would take your developer 10 minutes to implement.  There should be a "Search Shark Pool for Rashod Bateman" link on the player profile page.

https://forums.footballguys.com/search/?&q=Rashod Bateman&type=forums_topic&nodes=2&search_and_or=or&search_in=titles

Your developer can insert the players name dynamically.

For development next year, i suggest displaying the top 3 or 5 results from that search in the player page.  And include the last reply date. 

I think your users would find this helpful and its easy to implement. 

 
He’s already on a run first team with an inaccurate QB who would rather scramble anytime he feels pressure.   Really hated this landing spot for him.  And now surgery?   IMO his rookie year is basically a redshirt year.
Yes. I avoided him for the most part given other options available due to landing spot. I have him in one dynasty league. I agree on the set back. Probably way behind in development. Plus he’s gonna need fight for snaps. Just hoping he has a promising end of the season. 

 
Yeah, I knew the Pollyanna talk was just Harbaugh being Harbaugh. 8 weeks & then he’s gonna have to work to get back into game shape. Core injuries are brutal because it’s not like he can run or lift weights. He’s basically a potato until medically cleared to do stuff. how much muscle mass will he lose while he recovers? 

And THEN he’s gonna have to learn the offense. 

DND for redraft. Maybe try to buy-low in a few weeks in dynasty.

 
He’s already on a run first team with an inaccurate QB who would rather scramble anytime he feels pressure.   Really hated this landing spot for him.  And now surgery?   IMO his rookie year is basically a redshirt year.
agreed. The one caveat is that in drafting him it seemed like the Ravens were trying to get a little more balanced with their offense.

they still might, but Watkins/Hollywood should be the 2021 beneficiaries. 

 
Totally fair.  I just don’t think the WR talent was the barrier — the QB was/is.
IMO they’d be smart to go more balanced to keep that QB vertical. A guy can only take so many hits, and LJax is a big dude. I don’t think they should put shackles on his legs like the Niners foolishly tried to do with Kaep in his prime, but if they don’t get balanced he’s likely gonna have a shorter career. 

 
IMO they’d be smart to go more balanced to keep that QB vertical. A guy can only take so many hits, and LJax is a big dude. I don’t think they should put shackles on his legs like the Niners foolishly tried to do with Kaep in his prime, but if they don’t get balanced he’s likely gonna have a shorter career. 
No doubt.  I just don’t think he can throw accurately enough to make Bateman a meaningful WR for fantasy, unless he’s somehow a redzone hog.

 
agreed. The one caveat is that in drafting him it seemed like the Ravens were trying to get a little more balanced with their offense.

they still might, but Watkins/Hollywood should be the 2021 beneficiaries. 


The 2021 beneficiaries are most likely going to be Jackson himself, Dobbins, Edwards and, if one of the RB's goes down, Justice Hill. The aggregate rushing totals could be record-setting.

Brown's receiving stats from 2019 and 2020 are what they are, but IMHO, Lamar Jackson/Marquise Brown are like oil/water from a complimentary standpoint...in theory it's one of the worst QB/WR pairings in the NFL, again IMHO. Watkins, at least for as long as he can stay on the field, should offer a massive upgrade at wingman to Brown, but Jackson still has to reliably and consistently get them the ball. The presence of both of them should open things up a bit more for the easier high-percentage throws available to Mark Andrews, and if they are going to commit to upgrading Dobbins involvement in the passing game, he could benefit as well.

I drafted Bateman in Dynasty on talent alone, despite the situation, but he was destined for my taxi squad as a stash, anyway. More of an investment, than an immediate return. I projected most of his stats coming from inside the red zone for 2021 when I selected him.

Somewhere in the back of their minds, the Ravens brass have to be prepared to make some decisions regarding Jackson as franchise QB within the next couple of Seasons, I imagine. If he doesn't develop as a passer, they may have to start contingency planning as early as next year. IMHO, of course.

 
Andrews gotta be the biggest receiving beneficiary, dude’s a safety blanket for LJax.  Top 5 TE (he may have been last year, too, can’t remember)

 
The 2021 beneficiaries are most likely going to be Jackson himself, Dobbins, Edwards and, if one of the RB's goes down, Justice Hill. The aggregate rushing totals could be record-setting.

Brown's receiving stats from 2019 and 2020 are what they are, but IMHO, Lamar Jackson/Marquise Brown are like oil/water from a complimentary standpoint...in theory it's one of the worst QB/WR pairings in the NFL, again IMHO. Watkins, at least for as long as he can stay on the field, should offer a massive upgrade at wingman to Brown, but Jackson still has to reliably and consistently get them the ball. The presence of both of them should open things up a bit more for the easier high-percentage throws available to Mark Andrews, and if they are going to commit to upgrading Dobbins involvement in the passing game, he could benefit as well.

I drafted Bateman in Dynasty on talent alone, despite the situation, but he was destined for my taxi squad as a stash, anyway. More of an investment, than an immediate return. I projected most of his stats coming from inside the red zone for 2021 when I selected him.

Somewhere in the back of their minds, the Ravens brass have to be prepared to make some decisions regarding Jackson as franchise QB within the next couple of Seasons, I imagine. If he doesn't develop as a passer, they may have to start contingency planning as early as next year. IMHO, of course.
I see Watkins as Andres II in that offense. Safety valves who should get peppered. 

You’re kinda preaching to the choir here, btw. I’ve described LJax as the most intricate Wildcat running back of all time. Like if you put 4 Ronnie Browns together to make mega-Ronnie. 

I still think the Ravens want to make him more of a passer. And to be fair I think he does have room to grow - just gonna take time to develop. What’s his ceiling as a passer? No idea - but certainly better if he has viable weapons in the receiving game. 

I also believe Hollywood is better than we’ve seen. He played through injury both of his 1st two seasons. Maybe this is his breakout year. It’s possible. I like him as a 4th or 5th WR. 

 
Andrews gotta be the biggest receiving beneficiary, dude’s a safety blanket for LJax.  Top 5 TE (he may have been last year, too, can’t remember)
He quietly had a really good season last year. Surprised he isn’t being drafted a round higher. He’s not as sexy as Kittle/Waller, but he’s capable of being a top 4 TE in PPR.  TDs might not be as prolific as the top 3 but TDs are fickle year to year anyway. Ya gotta love his target share. 

 
Fell all the way to pick 24 in a rookie draft that is going on right now. I am not a huge fan but felt like I couldn’t pass on him at that price. 16 team, IDP league

 
JoeSteeler said:
Fell all the way to pick 24 in a rookie draft that is going on right now. I am not a huge fan but felt like I couldn’t pass on him at that price. 16 team, IDP league


Yeah, impossible to not take him there. That's quite a tumble. The upside is worth it. 

 
JoeSteeler said:
Fell all the way to pick 24 in a rookie draft that is going on right now. I am not a huge fan but felt like I couldn’t pass on him at that price. 16 team, IDP league
What is wrong with people? It's not like he had a leg amputated

 
JoeSteeler said:
Fell all the way to pick 24 in a rookie draft that is going on right now. I am not a huge fan but felt like I couldn’t pass on him at that price. 16 team, IDP league
Gotta love the microwave mentality of fantasy football these days.

 
What is wrong with people? It's not like he had a leg amputated


Exactly - were people drafting him to make an immediate Week 1 impact for their fantasy teams anyway?

I mean it's far from ideal for a player to start his career with any kind of surgery, but it's not like he can't be back on the field by Week 5/6.  

 
All I'm going to say is don't write him off. I remember when I didn't draft or target


Odell Beckham


Jr off the waiver wire because he was hurt early. Then he goes on to #### on everybody and people rode him to a championship.

Just pointing out this isn't a kiss of death.


Was going to point out the same.

I think he's still draftable in the last round even in redraft, as you can immediately move him to IR and then you have a free spot to pick up the hot waiver wire picks in Week 1.  I still like his chances to compete against that WR roster in Baltimore.

 
Ravens placed WR Rashod Bateman (core-muscle surgery) on injured reserve.

Fellow WR Miles Boykin (hamstring) has also been placed on I.R., and both players will miss at least the first three games of the season. It leaves Sammy Watkins and Marquise Brown as Lamar Jackson's top two wideouts to open the year. Bateman was given a 6-8 weeks timetable following core surgery almost three weeks ago.

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Miles Boykin

Sep 1, 2021, 8:36 PM ET

 
Jackson is a confidence QB and he can throw darts when things are clicking. He is streaky. When things don't go right he can get rattled. It's a legitimate problem. I had a ton of shares of him (and Ingram and Andrews) in 2019 and was keenly aware of what they were doing in 2020. I reached for LJ in a number of spots and it didn't pay off. But I think he may be a value again. 

Dobbins really threw a monkey wrench into their offensive rhythm last year, IMO. Not his fault but Roman and Harbaugh wanted to run what turned out to be a very predictable offense. Partly based on their RB rotation where they would rotate Dobbins, Ingram and Edwards about every 3rd or 4th play. It was too much rotation and it is my belief that it handicapped them. They didn't get into grooves and LJ suffered for it as well. On top of legit regression issues. 

But Ingram is gone and although Edwards is a fine backup (or maybe even a spot starter in the league), this is Dobbins backfield this year. With the running game of LJ people can debate the FF outlook for Dobbins but my point is that I really think they are primed for a much, much better offense with Bateman, Dobbins, Andrews, Brown and others. With more of a workhorse type of backfield I think they can find a better rhythm and steamroll people.

I still wouldn't touch Bateman in FF but it is a great spot for Jackson.
Dobbins injury has not gotten enough play in terms of Bateman.  Seems that needs 'some' discussion.

Baltimore cut Ingram and was veering the running game to Dobbins.  Dobbins lost for the season. 

When Baltimore used their first pick on WR Rashod Bateman it wasn't to augment the size of the list of first round WRs on the team, the plan was to feature him.   The plan with the rushing attack was to feature Dobbins.

The timing of the injuries could not have been worse in terms of creating a fantasy buzz for Bateman since people 'seem' oblivious of the opportunity for WR Rashod Bateman.  Dobbins gone and Bateman will be back soon.

Bateman is 3 weeks removed from surgery, has another week and a half before the season starts and was just placed on a 3 week IR.  He's already running so by the time he's due to come off of IR he should be ready. 

He 'looks' talented but the landing spot of a run-dominant offense shaded his fantasy outlook but the situation has changed opening up an opportunity that wasn't their a few weeks ago and no one is really talking about it.

 
Bateman is 3 weeks removed from surgery, has another week and a half before the season starts and was just placed on a 3 week IR.  He's already running so by the time he's due to come off of IR he should be ready. 
First snap will be in October right?

He profiles as an X and the alpha, to which Hollywood would be the perfect compliment. But it’s hard to be very excited about this season until we see it on the field. 

I have a couple Covid guys on IR, might stash him when I move pieces around. Despite the landing spot, pre-injury I really liked his chances to have an immediate impact as a rookie.  

 
First snap will be in October right?

He profiles as an X and the alpha, to which Hollywood would be the perfect compliment. But it’s hard to be very excited about this season until we see it on the field. 

I have a couple Covid guys on IR, might stash him when I move pieces around. Despite the landing spot, pre-injury I really liked his chances to have an immediate impact as a rookie.  
The season has been extended a game, he's going to miss the first three games which means he'd get two less games past rookie WRs have gotten.  

I hated his landing spot.  He's fallen behind.  His impact will get pushed out but the Ravens plan to build around him is still in place.

Dobbins and Bateman injuries weren't part of the plan but in three weeks he'll get bump but think about the end of the year after his role increases?  

 
The season has been extended a game, he's going to miss the first three games which means he'd get two less games past rookie WRs have gotten.  

I hated his landing spot.  He's fallen behind.  His impact will get pushed out but the Ravens plan to build around him is still in place.

Dobbins and Bateman injuries weren't part of the plan but in three weeks he'll get bump but think about the end of the year after his role increases?  


Maybe you have a deeper sports medicine background than I do, but my layman’s understanding of core muscle injuries is they can be difficult to assess. Sounds like his surgery went well, he was running routes a week later (eek), and they think he’s on the early side - 6 weeks from mid-August. But 8 weeks would not surprise anyone.

Glad he dealt with it. Okudah played through it last year (injury was from his tOSU days) & had a horrible rookie season. Had two surgeries early in the offseason and he’s a completely different player. Anyway, I hope they err on the side of caution with Bateman so this doesn’t linger or reoccur.

 
Bateman is 3 weeks removed from surgery, has another week and a half before the season starts and was just placed on a 3 week IR.  He's already running so by the time he's due to come off of IR he should be ready. 
I agree, he should be full go by week 4.  I believe going on IR for three weeks of the season is a good thing given his current situation.  However, being a rookie and having a delayed start will not help him.  I do believe once he gets rolling (assuming health) he will be a beast before the season is over.

 
Maybe you have a deeper sports medicine background than I do, but my layman’s understanding of core muscle injuries is they can be difficult to assess. Sounds like his surgery went well, he was running routes a week later (eek), and they think he’s on the early side - 6 weeks from mid-August. But 8 weeks would not surprise anyone.

Glad he dealt with it. Okudah played through it last year (injury was from his tOSU days) & had a horrible rookie season. Had two surgeries early in the offseason and he’s a completely different player. Anyway, I hope they err on the side of caution with Bateman so this doesn’t linger or reoccur.
You would be more familiar with Okudah's injury so was he running two weeks after his surgery or not?  

Just trying to gauge severity because I am positive that not all core injuries and/or surgeries/recoveries as the same.

 
Could be a good finisher in leagues but I would temper early excitement a little. He missed most of camp / preseason, and as @JohnnyU mentioned, core injuries can be notoriously challenging to come back from. 

if he’s back in 3 weeks, it’s likely they ease him back in. I can’t imagine giving the side a full workload off the bat.

And I’d expect a few weeks of learning curve/chemistry to get him up to speed on everything he’s missed. 

If you have the room in redraft he’s not a bad stash, as the talent is there & he could make some noise down the stretch.

My overall excitement is tempered by his having a QB who still hasn’t shown me that he can “make all the throws”, as the kids say these days. 

Until Lamar proves he’s not Ronnie Brown in a QB frame, I’m fading all of the BAL receivers. Not like there’s 4,000+ yards of air production to split up between the receivers. He only threw 2,757 last year.

But the talent is there. He went undrafted in my redraft league. We don’t have an IR (except COVID-related)  but I’ll definitely keep an eye on him to see how he looks in week 4-5. I imagine I won’t be the only one scooting him. 

 
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