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One of the issues is 31 other franchises know the Cards can't play two guys at once . . . so that will drive the price way down. Potential suitors will have already drafted QB's or will do so today. The longer Arizona holds him, likely the less they can get for him.
Good reply and I agree with you, as regards the bolded, I'm not certain they can even get back the 3rd and 5th for him right now.
I actually give Zona a ton of credit. Props to them for not letting pride get in the way of making the right call. What they paid for Rosen is a sunk cost at this point. It should have nothing to do with roster moves moving forward. If Murray is their guy, selecting him is the right call, even if they get nothing for Rosen.
This is how I see it. I do have concerns, however, in that WR news out of NE has always been about how well the player can read the defense and run the right option routes. Always tough for a rookie. The big take is that, at 1.32, Harry avoids the dreaded 'second-round-bust-WR' that has plagued NE.
Just to highlight some optimism from earlier in the thread, Rich Hribar said in watching Harry at one point he had 9 of his consecutive catches come on 9 different routes from 5 different alignments. He’s more versatile than I think he always gets credit for.
On top of that, like with RBs, we're seeing UDFAs making noise. Guys like Tyrell Williams, Robert Foster last year in Buffalo, others I'm not recalling right now.
I remember that quote two. He’s going to be fine. I think if this wasn’t such a deep WR and stacked defensive draft Harry goes much higher. Pats stole him at 32
Why do I continue to be surprised despite year after year the draft not turning out as expected? Metcalf falling to the second (or farther) after all the combine hype, being invited to the draft and what not. I liked Harry more, since Metcalf can only run straight, but Harry's not gumby either. You would have expected a player with his college production to get drafted sooner when a lot of teams need receivers. Makes you think the NFL has concerns about something; maybe lack of separation, even being more agile than Metcalf.
I think the WR falling this year had more to do with the extreme depth and talent elsewhere just pushing them down rather than their flaws.
Once I saw the landing spot that was buzzing in my head too. That obviously he has the smarts to know different positions and if that came across to BB then that's the reason they took him. Smart guy that will know where to be, and he learn some nuances to the position from the best coach/QB duo ever. It's just a smart pick, how many franchises can you actually say that about over and over again?
If Rosen for 32, by itself, no way. If Rosen and AZ's 2nd round pick (#33)...that would have been tough to decline. However, sounds like NE truly wanted Harry.
So the Pats and Cards would flip one spot in the draft AND NE would get Rosen? Get out of town.
Ever my team drafts poorly. The Pats are smart about how they acquire picks. They have 6 selections tonight.
Part yes and part no. They have had picks taken away. And they have traded picks for players. A lot of their recent picks went on IR so the verdict is still out. If people want to say the picks they made haven’t done much yet, that’s fine. But they got contributions from guys they traded picks for.
I did, not sure it’s all that significant. Of course it doesn’t include 2012 when they got Hightower and Chandler Jones. They recently drafted a franchise QB in round 2. That was a pretty huge hit. Plus ofcourse they always have the most picks from trading back because they don’t value the draft as much as most teams.
Sure - and they also draft later than their peers, on average. But the track record doesn't support the idea that the Patriots are any better at this than the rest of the league.
Something like this is probably a better way to look at it, as it at least attempts to account for draft spot. If the Patriots are drafting 28-32 every year, they don't have the same options that teams drafting earlier do. Yeah - I was probably wrong to say that they've drafted poorly. Their hit rate hasn't been great, but they're making the shotgun approach work for them. I personally wouldn't put any extra stock in the fact that the Pats drafted him, based on the assumption that they're better at it than their peers. But again, it's not accurate to say they've drafted poorly, either.
Maybe not, but they continually make smart moves as an organization. Drafting poorly as a result isn't a reflection of that.
I addressed it above, but I don't think it was accurate to say they've been drafting poorly. The shotgun method is working for them. They haven't produced much high end talent via the draft the last few years, but as A99 pointed out, injuries and forfeited picks have played a role. My apologies for getting us off track.
I think they have drafted as poorly as most teams. There are probably a couple teams that are just exceptionally bad but mostly it’s a total crapshoot imo.
As a pats fan im patiently waiting to see where all the giants end up, especially butler
Probably means drop in rookie dynasty drafts. I think he just became a guy I'd target everywhere.
I'll take a stab: The Pats spread the ball around to the nth degree, and their X never really runs up huge fantasy numbers besides Moss. Brady gets rid of the ball underneath, and often too quickly for even intermediate routes to develop. The total WC/close to the line of scrimmage offense works because of the threat of the potential for deep routes and the defense fears getting beat for a big play, which rarely happens, but all you need is the threat of it. It's something that Gordon was instrumental in last year as a glorified decoy.
And I agree. I've got him as my first choice off the board after Henderson inexplicably went to the Rams. I'm not sold on Jacobs as 1.1.
Who are these guys they plan on spreading it around too right now? It’s a bare cupboard. Also given how this class looks, wouldn’t a Brandon Cooks 114 target 1000/8 be a big score?
Yeah, I agree. Check my last sentence. I've got Harry as 1.1 or 1.2 in rookie dynasty drafts right now.
